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Defining June as the Biggest Recruiting Month in Years.

Gi0logy said:
I get your point but I’m not sure how many of those guys were actually getting full court press from other programs.

Emory, Carver, Kaleb (yes I know we flipped him), Tripp, and Kinsler seemed like they were getting mild interest from some of those programs. But I’m just not sure we were fending off programs left and right for each kid.

Obviously there were programs pushing like UF for Kinsler and OU for Kaleb. But IMO, you’re overstating the interest level from the programs you’re listing there.

With that said, it’s hard to truly gauge that aspect of recruiting sometimes so you could be right.
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Kaleb and Kinsler were literally flipped from giant, big budget, well-resourced programs with new zillion dollar coaches. Programs that took their commitments and fought to keep them (and with Kinsler flip him back). Oregon went HARD after Frankie. UF, AUB and FSU were trying to do whatever they could to get Emory to consider them. TENN only stopped with Tripp when he told them to stop and went full class ambassador. LSU wanted Carver. And on and on. Honestly I don't think there was a single kid who didn't have a BETTER opportunity than what Miami honestly was when they signed. They all, to various degrees certainly, had major P5 programs trying to flip them. These kids were just very loyal and quiet. If Lew and Mikeska had shut it down like these kids you'd probably think the same about them. But they let themselves be put back in play, and flipped.
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
I get your point. If you use what I wrote about the raffle girls being able to spot the 5-stars, it supports what I am trying to say. Of course there is going to be some correlation between the rankings and the best classes. For there not to be the rankings would have to be completely random and not based of football ability. Even with their amateur scouting abilities and corruption, the better classes are going to be ranked higher.

You don't have an issues with us taking the guys who were ranked by the websites. That's because you believe they were good evals and are good players. Well, we sure took enough of them, right? That shows that maybe a significant chunk of our class was mis-ranked.

As for the "bluechip ratio," its a complete farce. You've read my posts about how they flood the market with kids with 4-star ratings to give themselves 10x as many chances as they should to "get it right." How 32 kids projected to be first rounders as well as 200 kids projected to be UFA's are all "blue chips." Please don't make me re-type it lol.
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There are universally accepted studs, even if they flop - like Gurvan Hall did. Our visit list for June has a bunch of them, and for the purposes of this ongoing discussion which started with Daylen Russell as an early evaluation take, everyone who is objective on this board should be able to agree that at DT, if we land 2-3 of:

David Stone
Justin Scott
KamarionFranklin
Artavious Jones
Dylan Williams
Ayden Breland
LJ McRae

… There’s no argument.

But if we whiff and end up with a bunch of guys we haven’t really discussed who aren’t on this list and who aren’t sitting with commitable offers to UGA, Bama… etc., then it’s a fail. There’s no debating it.

These are the guys at DT who will be here in June plus the Jackson kid from Gainesville. These are the guys they have identified as the cream of the crop and it isn’t out of line with their rankings. If we whiff on these guys, you can’t come back on the board crying trust the staff, kalijah Kancey, recruiting nerds… yada yada with any objectivity and credibility. You just can’t. They’ve literally defined with them June visits, what their goals are and what’s needed to achieve them.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
Kaleb and Kinsler were literally flipped from giant, big budget, well-resourced programs with new zillion dollar coaches. Programs that took their commitments and fought to keep them (and with Kinsler flip him back). Oregon went HARD after Frankie. UF, AUB and FSU were trying to do whatever they could to get Emory to consider them. TENN only stopped with Tripp when he told them to stop and went full class ambassador. LSU wanted Carver. And on and on. Honestly I don't think there was a single kid who didn't have a BETTER opportunity than what Miami honestly was when they signed. They all, to various degrees certainly, had major P5 programs trying to flip them. These kids were just very loyal and quiet. If Lew and Mikeska had shut it down like these kids you'd probably think the same about them. But they let themselves be put back in play, and flipped.
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Mario landed Mauigoa and Samson last class on the OL. Whatever he did behind that is fine. If he lands Stone and Franklin or Curtis and Breland this year at DT, it will be a similar situation. Had we not landed Mauigoa and Samson last year, the talent brought in is likely still better than what we had but it’s a different conversation and that type of miss couldn’t be justified by saying look at Tinilau and Kinsler.
 
SayWhat said:
Short term or long term? We don't have the production for the next level to assure one of long term money.
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Fair point. Meant short term more so. Mario will also start getting more guys picked higher & higher. So long term will come.
 
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RVACane said:
There are universally accepted studs, even if they flop - like Gurvan Hall did. Our visit list for June has a bunch of them, and for the purposes of this ongoing discussion which started with Daylen Russell as an early evaluation take, everyone who is objective on this board should be able to agree that at DT, if we land 2-3 of:

David Stone
Justin Scott
Kamarion Franklin
Artavious Jones
Dylan Williams
Ayden Breland
LJ McRae

… There’s no argument.

But if we whiff and end up with a bunch of guys we haven’t really discussed who aren’t on this list and who aren’t sitting with commitable offers to UGA, Bama… tc., then it’s a fail. There’s no debating it.

These are the guys at DT who will be here in June plus the Jackson kid from Gainesville. These are the guys they have identified as the cream of the crop and it isn’t out of line with their rankings. If we whiff on these guys, you can’t come back on the board crying trust the staff, kalijah Kancey, recruiting nerds… tasa tasa with any objectivity and credibility. You just can’t. They’ve literally defined with them June visits, what their goals are and what’s needed to achieve them.
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Let me be clear: forget the stars and the rankings. All these DL who have early offers (I think you left some off because the websites don't have them ranked as high as we do lol, like the 2nd IMG DT they love) that we're recruiting hard are players we want and think are "4-stars" or better. And of course the staff has a few that they think are absolutely elite first round types, and yes, I think we probably know who they are and so do the websites.

So yes sir, I agree, if we strike out with all these June DL visits, it means we failed. Especially if new offers go out because of it.

But, and we agree... I really hope that people understand that recruiting is like baseball. You're going to fail a lot more than you succeed no matter what. The goal is to fail a little less than the other guy. If we can pull three guys from your list, it will be quite the haul and the room will be instantly upgraded to one of the most promising in CFB.
 
Gi0logy said:
Here’s my stab

Week of June 2nd: One 4*
- Jerrae Hawkins (4 star)

Week of June 9th: Two 5*, One 4*
- Aydin Breland (5 star)
- Dylan Stewart (5 star)
- Elija Lofton (4 star)

Week of June 16th: One 5*, One 4*, One 3*
- Justin Scott (5 star)
- Isendre Ahfua (4 star)
- No clue (3 star)

Week of June 23rd: Two 4*, Two 3*
- Chris Cole (4 star)
- Jaylen Heyward (4 star) or Marquise Lightfoot (4 star)
- Joseph Ionata (3 star)
- Ricky Knight III (3 star)
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Did the 247 class calculator. This is 261 with 20 kids. Make the unknown 3* Deryck Plaz.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
Let me be clear: forget the stars and the rankings. All these DL who have early offers (I think you left some off because the websites don't have them ranked as high as we do lol, like the 2nd IMG DT they love) that we're recruiting hard are players we want and think are "4-stars" or better. And of course the staff has a few that they think are absolutely elite first round types, and yes, I think we probably know who they are and so do the websites.

So yes sir, I agree, if we strike out with all these June DL visits, it means we failed. Especially if new offers go out because of it.

But, and we agree... I really hope that people understand that recruiting is like baseball. You're going to fail a lot more than you succeed no matter what. The goal is to fail a little less than the other guy. If we can pull three guys from your list, it will be quite the haul and the room will be instantly upgraded to one of the most promising in CFB.
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I pulled this list from the publicized June official visitors list on 247. I only left off the Gainesville kid Jackson. That other kid at IMG isn’t listed as having an OV at this time. They can live that kid but this is the list I’m watching to see if we succeeded. After 2 or Lordy 3 of these guys, I don’t care who the take as an underrated/ hidden/ developmental gem.
 
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20 kids is the thing. We will probably take 27-28, you'd think. Add in a JoJo Trader and Kevin Riley and that jumps to high 280's, I'd think.
 
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Kansas Cane said:
20 kids is the thing. We will probably take 27-28, you'd think. Add in a JoJo Trader and Kevin Riley and that jumps to high 280's, I'd think.
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Every year we think we'll sign 28-30 kids and end up with 22-24 and save spots for the portal.
 
Angry Ibis said:
He’s set up to fail by the management if we are shooting straight… isn’t the first time, won’t be the last…

But it’ll be clicktastic and that’s what drives message boards

Let’s ******* win so the board is driven by that analysis vs bull****
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That would be ideal haha

Was just driving back from a wedding in Florida and stopped at a super ghetto gas station with a liquor store attached to it. Picked up some **** Creek 15 and the new Makers Mark 2023 BEP release that just came out
 
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01Canes said:
Your post was great and I really wanted to emphasize this portion of it.

I know it was shared on the board around the time that Noland committed to OSU that we had no traction with any other top QB recruit at the time. I’m going to assume and hope that a complete turnaround on offense coupled with NIL could potentially change someone’s mind during the season.

Maybe the staff is trying to work in silence on flipping a premier QB, which would explain the complete lack of smoke publicly linking us to any quarterback ever since we were the runner-up for Noland.

Whether we land a premier QB1 this cycle or fail to do so will likely determine how the WR class shapes up, especially with the elites like Wingo and Smith. The programs we’re competing against for that caliber of WR have much different QB situations than ours and “we’ll grab someone from the portal to play QB, so don’t worry” isn’t a compelling rebuttal to negative recruiting tactics when you’re swimming with the sharks and fighting over 5* WR’s.
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I just posted something similar but briefer in another thread. Didn’t see your post before but this is spot on
 
supacane said:
LSU all world national title team, previous 5 classes. Were 2019 #5, 2018 #15, 2017 #7 ,2016 #2, 2015 #5.
Im not disagreeing with what you are saying but if you get top 7 classes, but nail the evaluation pick ups like The Bobby Washingtons, Pullian, Frenkie, Kinsler etc. You can not only compete but beat these teams as long as you are getting elite players by attributes and rankings and attitude in the trenches.

UGA is not doing anthing we didnt do, USC didnt do, Saban turnt up and did. College football is cyclical soon as people claim no one will ever beat a team someone does it.
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2019 LSU was 5th in the team talent calculator. Average recruit ranking was 90.6.

The UGA team they beat in the SEC title game was 3rd in team talent calculator with an average recruit ranking of 91.7.


2022 UGA’s average recruit ranking was 93.3. And that recruit ranking is only going to grow when 23’s numbers come out, because their ‘23 class had a 94 average. So they are actually shedding “bad” classes.

In 2019, only one team had an average recruit ranking of a 93.

In 2022, Bama had a 94. UGA a 93, and OSU just missed it with a a 92.8.

You are seeing a serious concentration of talent at the top, even amongst elite teams. There’s almost like a 1A and a 1B now.

You need to land some really highly rated recruits, and a bunch of them, if a third of your class is going to be 3* players and you hope to have any chance of closing the gap with the top recruiting classes.
 
Just because this thread is current i was doing some research on a prospect and seen that UGA has the #1 class, scrolling down i seen them man had 5, 3 star players committed, 4 if you take out their kicker. We have 9 total commits, 4 star chance and 7, 3 stars if u take out the kicker, including Shaver who UGA offered. They are the bench mark now and i seen people saying they are just piling up 5 stars. They are still doing evaluation, they have 2, 3 star OT's committed. Big Ole dudes. They earned the right by developing players on the field, both highly ranked and even walk ons like Bennett. Thats where we need to get to. Talent acquisition from everywhere
 
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