DC Candidates

[Canesfreak]

what significant improvement was in the 2nd year? the scoring defense?

3rd down conversion in walter's defense 2022 (against FBS competition) - 9th nationally

2023 (henry) - 111th

2024 (henry) - 115th

it wasn't like he just did okay, he tanked the defense. I'm surprised he has a job

 

[MedleyCane]

Do we know this to be fact? How about waiting to see what happens or what really happened before we push a narrative that could very well be false, down the street. But CIS gon CIS, I guess.

I asked the same question(s).
This narrative has become a runaway train.

 

[skeeter]

Read the post by Cribby above yours. Mario was hired as HC without being saddled with Manny’s staff.

Imagine comparing an HC to a coordinator though? What you are asking for basically doesn't happen anywhere

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I tried telling them. My guess is simply because it isn’t money and this has come up before with previous hires. I knew banks was here for an interview and I know someone who saw him in town the night before. nycane said he wasn’t offered the job. I’m just deducing what transpired.

And Cribby said that had everyone agreed on terms, he'd be our DC.

We know the situation, we've seen this before. Mario has these super-long negotiations WHICH AREN'T "OFFICIAL OFFERS" (I guess so he can deny it in court and not be guilty of perjury, who knows), and then when every detail known to man has been pinned down, that's when Mario gets down on one knee and says "I offer".

So did Banks get the Full Mario? No he did not. But we know which phase of the courtship we are in here.

 

[Alex_Dynamix]

I tried telling them. My guess is simply because it isn’t money and this has come up before with previous hires. I knew banks was here for an interview and I know someone who saw him in town the night before. nycane said he wasn’t offered the job. I’m just deducing what transpired.

Disappointing they couldn’t get passed whatever that impasse was, Hopefully Mario gets this hire right because the powers that be are starting to look at him like after how this year played out and he knows it.

 

[RVACane]

And Cribby said that had everyone agreed on terms, he'd be our DC.

We know the situation, we've seen this before. Mario has these super-long negotiations WHICH AREN'T "OFFICIAL OFFERS" (I guess so he can deny it in court and not be guilty of perjury, who knows), and then when every detail known to man has been pinned down, that's when Mario gets down on one knee and says "I offer".

So did Banks get the Full Mario? No he did not. But we know which phase of the courtship we are in here.


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November 2024 to present have been a disaster on multiple fronts.

 

[RVACane]

Disappointing they couldn’t get passed whatever that impasse was, Hopefully Mario gets this hire right because the powers that be are starting to look at him like after how this year played out and he knows it.

I’m just tired man. Some of this stuff is so avoidable and it’s like he knows he has to walk a number of miles and he goes and shoots himself in the foot before he goes on the walk.

 

[filmcane]

Mario taking a long time in making decisions hasn't helped at all. The first few years it was like, "Just wait! There's a method to this madness and you'll be happy when it's over." Unfortunately, we know that this is just not the case. So, let's get on with things, so we don't miss out on some players or have to pay more for players because we don't have a DC in place.

 

[G Reg3rdLeg]

That's wrong.

Arbuckle also brought the QB Coach from WSU. That's not "full staff", but it's also not "zero".

Let me simplify this:

Option 1 - hire bad coordinator, let coordinator hire bad position coaches - DISASTER
Option 2 - hire bad coordinator, but head coach saddles him with good position coaches - probably won't work out, and there will be friction
Option 3 - hire good coordinator, but head coach saddles him with good position coaches - this would be GREAT, but I don't think Mario has done this yet, though one could possibly cite forcing Dawson to use Mirabal and/or Beard.
Option 4 - hire good coordinator, let coordinator hire good position coaches - FANTASTIC, even if rare.

I think that the primary concern is that hoping and praying for Option 3 to happen every time might be dissuading some coordinators from considering UM and Mario.

What about Option 5 (the Mario)- hire bad coordinator, head coach saddles him with bad position coaches

 

[bacane]

Sure.

But we've already had conversations where there aren't many people on the D side who could/would be retained.

If it's Jason Taylor, it may be the case that an incoming DC might not want a guy on staff whose name was mentioned as a potential DC candidate. Multiple power-base issues. Could love JT as a position coach, but might not want him on staff as a potential successor.

I don't think Mario is risking a **** good DC over...Nicholson...who was supposedly auditioning for his job at the bowl game. That's a far cry from Mirabal-levels of loyalty.

Could be org chart stuff (Assistant Head Coach). The fact that Cribby says its a negotiation may mean that it still turns out for the best. Hopefully soon.


PS, for the record, perhaps a new DC might feel similarly if we were going to add other former HCs around the program, either informally or formally (guys like Orgeron and/or Fitzgerald).

Orgeron and/or Fitzgerald? Assume just randomly tossing out names. Neither should be hired as DC. Fitzgerald would be a respected adult in the room, but don’t believe he’s ever coordinated a defense. Big Ed doesn’t need a job and isn’t the guy.

 

[KANE]

I asked the same question(s).
This narrative has become a runaway train.

You’re right. Like a poster said earlier…”Most coordinators don’t get to hand pick the guys that they work with.” This is true. A new DC is lucky to get 2 guys on his side of the ball that he worked with before, or has some familiarity with. Most likely it’s just one guy.

 

[252cane]

Orgeron and/or Fitzgerald? Assume just randomly tossing out names. Neither should be hired as DC. Fitzgerald would be a respected adult in the room, but don’t believe he’s ever coordinated a defense. Big Ed doesn’t need a job and isn’t the guy.

Not even being funny. So why mention them when neither has never been a DC

 

[TheEye]

Mario sees a DC has become available!

Mario meets DC!

Mario makes offer!

 

[jmiller]

Isn’t it the same thing? He doesnt hire quality staff that CAN develop these players…..that’s my beef w him. We need better coaches period that end up being poached three years later
For doing an amazing job!

Not really, for example of what I mean look at Kirby Smart 's Georgia teams before Todd Monkenen. Kirby fired two offensive coordinators before hiring Todd Monkenen but they were still developing good players on the offensive side of the ball despite the OC not being good because of the way Kirby runs that program.

 

[jmiller]

That's wrong.

Arbuckle also brought the QB Coach from WSU. That's not "full staff", but it's also not "zero".

Let me simplify this:

Option 1 - hire bad coordinator, let coordinator hire bad position coaches - DISASTER
Option 2 - hire bad coordinator, but head coach saddles him with good position coaches - probably won't work out, and there will be friction
Option 3 - hire good coordinator, but head coach saddles him with good position coaches - this would be GREAT, but I don't think Mario has done this yet, though one could possibly cite forcing Dawson to use Mirabal and/or Beard.
Option 4 - hire good coordinator, let coordinator hire good position coaches - FANTASTIC, even if rare.

I think that the primary concern is that hoping and praying for Option 3 to happen every time might be dissuading some coordinators from considering UM and Mario.

What Qb coach did he bring with him to Oklahoma? I believe Arbuckle was the Qb coach also at Washington state last year

 

[stormsurge13]

Orgeron and/or Fitzgerald? Assume just randomly tossing out names. Neither should be hired as DC. Fitzgerald would be a respected adult in the room, but don’t believe he’s ever coordinated a defense. Big Ed doesn’t need a job and isn’t the guy.

Orgerons file in the university’s hr department probably has a big red do not rehire stamp on it

 

[CANEFAN83]

Can we confirm if this is really true? @DMoney
@Cribby

Others?

Top Miami DC target reportedly turned down job offer from Mario Cristobal

Former Tennessee defensive coordinator Tim Banks turned down Miami for the same position and was hired by Clemson per a report from Pete Nakos of On3. Miami has

caneswarning.com

 

[jrock2332]

Yes teams do clean up but legit programs don’t make three horrible coordinator hires in three years then have to fire them. That’s unheard of for any coach worth their salt. It’s almost hard to do. But that’s part of the deal when you have a CEO type that doesn’t have his hands on one side of the ball.

That is why when dabo got venable it turned them into a powerhouse they had good offenses at Clemson but their defenses were **** **** until venable.

 

[nycane]

Can we confirm if this is really true? @DMoney
@Cribby

Others?

Top Miami DC target reportedly turned down job offer from Mario Cristobal

Former Tennessee defensive coordinator Tim Banks turned down Miami for the same position and was hired by Clemson per a report from Pete Nakos of On3. Miami has

caneswarning.com

he wasn't offered.

 

[Calinative]

That's wrong.

Arbuckle also brought the QB Coach from WSU. That's not "full staff", but it's also not "zero".

Let me simplify this:

Option 1 - hire bad coordinator, let coordinator hire bad position coaches - DISASTER
Option 2 - hire bad coordinator, but head coach saddles him with good position coaches - probably won't work out, and there will be friction
Option 3 - hire good coordinator, but head coach saddles him with good position coaches - this would be GREAT, but I don't think Mario has done this yet, though one could possibly cite forcing Dawson to use Mirabal and/or Beard.
Option 4 - hire good coordinator, let coordinator hire good position coaches - FANTASTIC, even if rare.

I think that the primary concern is that hoping and praying for Option 3 to happen every time might be dissuading some coordinators from considering UM and Mario.

I agree with this.
Though I'd say I feel this applies much more heavily toward Offensive and mostly to specific positional coaches. Like I don't think anyone is really going to argue that it doesn't matter all that much if the OC is the guy making the RB coach decision or even maybe like TE coach. QB (almost always OC) by far then OLine and WR need to be on the same page as OC. Defensively I think DB and then LB need to be on the same page for sure. Whereas I really think DLine is almost irrelevant. It's really nothing all that different really. Like you want it to be a guy that either does 43/34 or 1/2 gap mostly, but like you can just solve that by having separate EDGE/DL coaches. Like whether Jason Taylor were coaching DEs in 43 or OLBs in 34 it's all the same **** mostly.

If Mario feels strongly that Taylor should stay I'm on board with it. DC absolutely needs to hire who he wants at DB and LB though. If he has a specific DLine coach he likes he can be hired too and Taylor can just be the pass rush coach...