DC Candidates

[bacane]

Yes teams do clean up but legit programs don’t make three horrible coordinator hires in three years then have to fire them. That’s unheard of for any coach worth their salt. It’s almost hard to do. But that’s part of the deal when you have a CEO type that doesn’t have his hands on one side of the ball.

Also interesting that Mario hasn’t surrounded himself by his guys, other than OL and DT coaches. Telling that after Bama and Oregon stints hasn’t had a coordinator from his past. Blame for hiring failures definitely falls on Mario, but thought this was also the value in having Alonzo Highsmith in the building,

 

[EudocimusAlbus]

I’d bet the farm that the issue isn’t money. I’m guessing- just guessing - that it’s the coRch in chief saddling the DC with certain staff.

couldn't respond earlier, mah bad. In response to your bet/guess, I'd wonder why you'd imagine this would be the case? Not being argumentative, want to understand the logic. Do you think he much rather work with his own people? Super controlling?

 

[YLCANE]

I believe most give the dline a pass bc they were required to stunt even on punt returns lol

Nah
Not me
They were trash in acc play led by non existent Bain

 

[RVACane]

couldn't respond earlier, mah bad. In response to your bet/guess, I'd wonder why you'd imagine this would be the case? Not being argumentative, want to understand the logic. Do you think he much rather work with his own people? Super controlling?

Yeah, I think that’s what it is. I recall discussion about it before when we were hiring a coordinator and some prospective guys not being thrilled with who they were told they had to keep.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Yes he interviewed end of the week and they couldn’t come to an agreement.

Just money, or was it also org chart?

 

[Alex_Dynamix]

I hear you, but there's gotta be limits in these budgets, staff, NIL, operations....I can't imagine there's just this endless supply of money at UM....if that was the scenario I don't think we would have had such a lopsided Offense / Defense roster last season.

They think we can pull money out of sky and just pay blank checks to players/coaches/whoever it’s not realistic

 

[YLCANE]

Ok thats not my point, this whole conversation is on Mario allowing coordinators to hire their own staff. For the record while I do believe Mario's hiring here has been a problem i think Mario's biggest problem is his inability to build a culture in which players develope and thats going back to his days at oregon but thats a different conversation

Isn’t it the same thing? He doesnt hire quality staff that CAN develop these players…..that’s my beef w him. We need better coaches period that end up being poached three years later
For doing an amazing job!

 

[RVACane]

Just money, or was it also org chart?

Cribby said in an earlier post that it wasn’t money or he doubted that money was the issue

 

[YLCANE]

ESPN can always use a woke addition to their crap product.

Fk espn

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You know that if the DC is a good one who has options, and he wants to bring in certain staff and the coRch in Chief tells him he can’t bring them in and he’s got to use the guys there, the DC walks?

Sure.

But we've already had conversations where there aren't many people on the D side who could/would be retained.

If it's Jason Taylor, it may be the case that an incoming DC might not want a guy on staff whose name was mentioned as a potential DC candidate. Multiple power-base issues. Could love JT as a position coach, but might not want him on staff as a potential successor.

I don't think Mario is risking a **** good DC over...Nicholson...who was supposedly auditioning for his job at the bowl game. That's a far cry from Mirabal-levels of loyalty.

Could be org chart stuff (Assistant Head Coach). The fact that Cribby says its a negotiation may mean that it still turns out for the best. Hopefully soon.


PS, for the record, perhaps a new DC might feel similarly if we were going to add other former HCs around the program, either informally or formally (guys like Orgeron and/or Fitzgerald).

 

[Alex_Dynamix]

Do we know if this is what occurred or are we running with the latest hysterical rumor?

That’s the way of CIS brother, some random poster makes up a narrative about sumn they know nothing about and there’s 5 pages of whining as if that’s what actually happened

 

[TheOriginalCane]

We've literally had an offensive staff and a defensive staff in two of three years that couldn’t stand each other. How you hire people that don’t align at all schematically then expect it to work is beyond me. The Qb coach and OC in 22 ghosted each other and couldn’ t stand each other. In 24 it was the DC and DL coach not jiving. You don’t have to be friends but you have to align in what you’re coaching / teaching. If not you end up with two horrible situations in a short period.

Sounds like we need to add double the trust-falls in the next football coaching staff retreat...

 

[RVACane]

That’s the way of CIS brother, some random poster makes up a narrative about sumn they know nothing about and there’s 5 pages of whining as if that’s what actually happened

It was stated by me multiple times that this is my guess based on money not being the issue, per Cribby. This has happened before here with Mario.

Regardless, Mario’s on his 3rd coordinator in three years, and not for good reasons. If this was golden or manny with these resources and occurrences, they wouldn’t have survived it

 

[Alex_Dynamix]

Amigo, don’t have to be an insider to see this is true. It seems Cristobal simply has to have some sycophants on his staff. Letting an OC and DC hire their own staff is dangerous because the staffers might have more loyalty to the coordinators than Cristobal. So I think Cristobal feels he needs to saddle a new coordinator with Marios own handpicked loyal followers make sure he maintains full control.

Diaz was more of an alpha than Cristobal. Didn’t hesitate to bring in staff that were better than him if they could help the team.

Diaz? an Alpha?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Did this ever happen when he was at Oregon?

With Jim Leavitt, yes.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

My point is very rarely does a coordinator get to hire his own staff. Oklahoma just hired Ben Arbuckle who brought Mateer with him and how many coaches did he get to hire at Oklahoma? Zero ...i get what your saying but that still doesn't change the fact that coordinators hiring their own staff pretty much never happens on any level. If you don't understand that

That's wrong.

Arbuckle also brought the QB Coach from WSU. That's not "full staff", but it's also not "zero".

Let me simplify this:

Option 1 - hire bad coordinator, let coordinator hire bad position coaches - DISASTER
Option 2 - hire bad coordinator, but head coach saddles him with good position coaches - probably won't work out, and there will be friction
Option 3 - hire good coordinator, but head coach saddles him with good position coaches - this would be GREAT, but I don't think Mario has done this yet, though one could possibly cite forcing Dawson to use Mirabal and/or Beard.
Option 4 - hire good coordinator, let coordinator hire good position coaches - FANTASTIC, even if rare.

I think that the primary concern is that hoping and praying for Option 3 to happen every time might be dissuading some coordinators from considering UM and Mario.

 

[407cane]

Agree that Mario needs an adult on that side of the ball that has shown multiple years of high level evaluation, development and coordinating a defense at the top level of football.

Just pointing out with the sample size that everyone has on Henry, everyone is assuming how high or low his ceiling can be.

Regarding the year to year, you generally will see this at a developmental program that doesn’t recruit at a high level. I believe the year he took over they lost three starters in the secondary. Not sure what else could’ve contributed, but you also see significant improvement going into his second year.

I would expect Mario to shoot higher, but we will see what the end results are.

what significant improvement was in the 2nd year? the scoring defense?

3rd down conversion in walter's defense 2022 (against FBS competition) - 9th nationally

2023 (henry) - 111th

2024 (henry) - 115th

it wasn't like he just did okay, he tanked the defense. I'm surprised he has a job

 

[Alex_Dynamix]

It was stated by me multiple times that this is my guess based on money not being the issue, per Cribby. This has happened before here with Mario.

Regardless, Mario’s on his 3rd coordinator in three years, and not for good reasons. If this was golden or manny with these resources and occurrences, they wouldn’t have survived it

I get it ..I personally know u were just guessing but other posters are crying as if that’s what actually happened lol…but truth is no one actually knows y banks walked away(unless I missed it)… It’s like me posting “Mario prolly only offered him 200k a year” n then 10 pages of “that cheap mfer!!!” It’s kinda ridiculous lol.

 

[RVACane]

I get it ..I personally know u were just guessing but other posters are crying as if that’s what actually happened lol…but truth is no one actually knows y banks walked away(unless I missed it)… It’s like me posting “Mario prolly only offered him 200k a year” n then 10 pages of “that cheap mfer!!!” It’s kinda ridiculous lol.

I tried telling them. My guess is simply because it isn’t money and this has come up before with previous hires. I knew banks was here for an interview and I know someone who saw him in town the night before. nycane said he wasn’t offered the job. I’m just deducing what transpired.

 

[Noahcane]

what significant improvement was in the 2nd year? the scoring defense?

3rd down conversion in walter's defense 2022 (against FBS competition) - 9th nationally

2023 (henry) - 111th

2024 (henry) - 115th

it wasn't like he just did okay, he tanked the defense. I'm surprised he has a job

Yeah, thats gross...