CS Ferman News on Kirkland

[weownfsu]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on ebveryone their fater but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

- I do agree with ICE though....i dont think he is lying. Dude also has been around the recruiting world awhile. Kirk likely has been a "silent"...but may have been ready to do the signing day shuffle...of course he didnt/wouldnt divulge this to Ice who is a um guy...an likely would of talk down to him etc..

Which is why Barrow put him on blasts...and drew the line in the sand. pulled his card n he went with the " your in the top 3".

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.

ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS...i dont think its money or GRADES. Coach Ice requires atleast a 2.5 to PLAY. His kids usually always qualify...add to it it was part of his job at UM.
Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

I highly doubt that's how this all played out. I don't think this staff is so dense as to misread the situation that badly. A kid is committing to FSU instead of Miami? You let him go. You don't pull his offer. Where is this newfound pride coming from out of Golden's staff? He doesn't seem like the type to make this move simply because he's butthurt. Gotta be something else.

And how did they **** up with Cooper?

I dont think it was done to "protect the honor of the U" or any of that sh8t. They did it for the reasons they said. They were running out of space, and needed the kid to give an answer. He wouldnt. He wanted to play the game. Harris is ****ed because they didnt trust him to deliver, but here again, Coley probably knew that the kid was a silent to FSU, or leaning FSU, and they couldnt take the chance that they were going to lose another kid that we NEED, so that this kid could f*ck us over with a hat trick. ****, maybe this was Barrow and Golden giving Ice and Kirkland ONE LAST CHANCE, to take the UM offer, KNOWING that the kid wasnt going to take it. Maybe they JUST did this out of respect for Harris and to give Kirkland the benefit of the doubt. So he cant say they didnt give him a fair shot to come here, despite already knowing he was a silent to FSU.

Harris could just be ****ed because they didnt trust him to deliver, but if Coley already knew the kid was a silent to FSU, then it was a risk they couldnt take.

Does anyone know if it would even be legal for Barrow to tell Harris that they knew Kirkland was a silent to FSU?

Don't see why not.

 

[MinnesotaCane]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...

I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses. Basically, I give this staff a small pass on Keef because he's a bit of a fruit pop (or a genius, I'm not sure yet) and the staff got on Robinson late and they obviously recognize that mistake...but everyone else should be dominoes falling. This class was small and they needed to focus on such few guys, failure to land the big fish of the class, that are all in our back yard (OOS recruiting wrapped up for this staff in December for ****s sake), we must sign these guys.

In every possible situation in which it would make sense for the staff to drop a kid, they haven't. Collins de-committed and is being heavily influenced by his HS corch, yet no ultimatums were given (to our knowledge) and he was never dropped by UM, even when he was flirting with FSU and every other school, yet we've continued to recruit the **** out of him. Keith Bryant has acted like a psycho, yet we are still recruiting him very hard even though we will likely lose him. The previous staff routinely gave up on guys when shenanigans were going on, but this one hasn't. So, something serious had to have happened here. I think they felt like they were getting played, big time. Promises were made to them that were broken, badly. Probably by some adults, too.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[NVA CANE]

If I remember petes posts correctly kirkland was good to go along with his mom and step-dad. Then his stepdad had concerns or reservations he wanted answered. Whatever that was may be a factor here.

 

[cane33]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on everyone their after but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

LOL @ there being a problem with south florida kids who want their "look at me" moment on NSD


Get the **** out of here with that BS.

You just conveniently ignore the fact that kids all over the whole country do the same **** thing.

And you also conveniently ignore the fact that there are plenty of other south florida kids who commit early and don't wait til NSD. **** we even have some committed now.

Stop criticizing South Florida kids for doing the same thing that kids from all over the country do. And then stop acting like they are all the same way.

Oh and how about let's all stop attacking the very same South Florida kids who are our bread and butter and who will be the key to us becoming great ever again. South Florida kids built this program. Stop criticizing them.


OH and another thing....if South Florida kids maybe are primadommas...maybe it's because they are the best in the whole **** country and have a right to be. Schools all over the country aren't trying to get a foothold in south florida for no **** reason. These kids are good, let them be divas. The U was built with braggadocios diva type players. They made us great.

Did you all forget that many of the great players who came through this school were "look at me" guys? Did you not see the 30 for 30?

LOOK AT ME guys built this school. The U is what it is because of them. So stop criticizing them.

 

[TP800]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...

I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses. Basically, I give this staff a small pass on Keef because he's a bit of a fruit pop (or a genius, I'm not sure yet) and the staff got on Robinson late and they obviously recognize that mistake...but everyone else should be dominoes falling. This class was small and they needed to focus on such few guys, failure to land the big fish of the class, that are all in our back yard (OOS recruiting wrapped up for this staff in December for ***** sake), we must sign these guys.

Coley is commited., Can guarantee that. Grace is committed. Collins should be good. That's three of the 4 imperative ones right there. Who knows what happens with Thomas now.

 

[Larry]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...

I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses. Basically, I give this staff a small pass on Keef because he's a bit of a fruit pop (or a genius, I'm not sure yet) and the staff got on Robinson late and they obviously recognize that mistake...but everyone else should be dominoes falling. This class was small and they needed to focus on such few guys, failure to land the big fish of the class, that are all in our back yard (OOS recruiting wrapped up for this staff in December for ***** sake), we must sign these guys.

Coley is commited., Can guarantee that. Grace is committed. Collins should be good. That's three of the 4 imperative ones right there. Who knows what happens with Thomas now.

It should be stated that Thomas is #1...any class without Thomas starts off at a B- and we subtract from there.

 

[TheMatador]

Maybe there are kids begging the staff to accept their commitment, and when the coaches ask a guy like Kirkland for a concrete yes or no if he is committed to us, he'd rather keep playing games and they are sick of it.

That could be it. It's happened before. I remember--and most of you probably don't--back in the mid-80's when, Ned Bolcar, a kid from the midwest, a first team USA Today A-A, wrote a recruiting diary for the paper. Near the end, we had to put the question to him, saying another kid wanted to come. It was a fish-or-cut bait situation. Bolcar said no, and I don't know who the other kid was who we took instead. Bolcar went to Notre Dame and had a decent career, but was not even the best LB on his team. I can't remember for sure, but Steve Stonebreaker might have been the kid who outshined Bolcar. And he was not as big a recruit.

 

[weownfsu]

Maybe there are kids begging the staff to accept their commitment, and when the coaches ask a guy like Kirkland for a concrete yes or no if he is committed to us, he'd rather keep playing games and they are sick of it.

That could be it. It's happened before. I remember--and most of you probably don't--back in the mid-80's when, Ned Bolcar, a kid from the midwest, a first team USA Today A-A, wrote a recruiting diary for the paper. Near the end, we had to put the question to him, saying another kid wanted to come. It was a fish-or-cut bait situation. Bolcar said no, and I don't know who the other kid was who we took instead. Bolcar went to Notre Dame and had a decent career, but was not even the best LB on his team. I can't remember for sure, but Steve Stonebreaker might have been the kid who outshined Bolcar. And he was not as big a recruit.

I have no problem doing that if there are other kids they want to come, but this is a delicate situation because of the school.

 

[MinnesotaCane]

More double-talk from Lice. Completely contradicts what he told Fat Mandoo. Read this from ESPN article:

"He's hurt; I think he's extremely hurt -- upset," Harris described. "I think, as a kid, he looked at Miami as a place that he wanted to go to growing up. You know, being a couple days away from possibly signing to the school that he's liked all these years -- but he wasn't ready to commit yet, because there were two other schools he liked, and he wanted to be completely sure. He's had this signing day announcement for a long time now on ESPN."

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Lice told Fat Mandoo that Kirk was going to UM. Here, he says Kirk wasn't ready to commit because he still wasn't sure. This is the sort of double-talk that makes HCs nervous as they're trying to fill a class. Is he supposed to turn away guys he might like as much or more than Kirk when he thinks Kirk might be up to no good and might f$ck us on NSD?

For whatever reason, Al needed an answer from this dude today. I'm sure it had to do with planning and not wanting to get played and left with their dycks in their hands. Sure they heard things on the street about Kirk telling others he was going there or reaching out for that Old P1ss bag of loot and felt they needed a commit from Kirk or they needed to fill that spot with someone else.

Another good post in terms of the oddities form Ice. Again, it just doesn't add up and in both articles/interviews, he completely contradicts himself.

As many have stated, including The Franchise, if a school is your dream school, then you fricken commit on day one. Give me a break with this "I want to play the game" crap. Why does this rarely happen at the SEC or Texas schools? Kids there are born to love, say Alabama, and guess what? 90% of the time, when Alabama offers, the kid commits. In South Florida, there's other stuff going on. THERE HAS TO BE. Either there are more premadonna / selfish kids in Miami then every where else in the country or there are other factors at play here.

 

[TheMatador]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on everyone their after but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

LOL @ there being a problem with south florida kids who want their "look at me" moment on NSD


Get the **** out of here with that BS.

You just conveniently ignore the fact that kids all over the whole country do the same **** thing.

And you also conveniently ignore the fact that there are plenty of other south florida kids who commit early and don't wait til NSD. **** we even have some committed now.

Stop criticizing South Florida kids for doing the same thing that kids from all over the country do. And then stop acting like they are all the same way.

Oh and how about let's all stop attacking the very same South Florida kids who are our bread and butter and who will be the key to us becoming great ever again. South Florida kids built this program. Stop criticizing them.


OH and another thing....if South Florida kids maybe are primadommas...maybe it's because they are the best in the whole **** country and have a right to be. Schools all over the country aren't trying to get a foothold in south florida for no **** reason. These kids are good, let them be divas. The U was built with braggadocios diva type players. They made us great.

Did you all forget that many of the great players who came through this school were "look at me" guys? Did you not see the 30 for 30?

LOOK AT ME guys built this school. The U is what it is because of them. So stop criticizing them.

They ARE the best. Today I heard somebody say that Texas has 17 players in the Super Bowl, and Florida has 22. If that is true, it is unbelievable how good Florida football is.

It wasn't always "look at me" guys. We didn't have such prima donnas in the early '80's. You know why? Many of our guys were very good players, but they were not bigtime recruits. Some were, but many were not. As a former director of the Hurricane Club told me back in the '80's, we took guys nobody else wanted. You know who he mentioned as an example? Jerome Brown. I think Jerome had some traits that turned off a lot of teams. They were probably not used to dealing with kids like that back then. So we took him. It's a myth, it's revisionist history, that we've always gotten the best of the best, the bluest of the blue chip. Simply not true. We got some, but we didn't clean up with 'em the way other schools, including FSU, did.

 

[AZHurricane]

It should be stated that Thomas is #1...any class without Thomas starts off at a B- and we subtract from there.

You know, if the dude doesn't want to play for Coach Golden in Coral Gables and would rather play for Jimbob in Trailerhassee, I'm not sure what that has to do with ranking our class.

 

[jerzeycane]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...

I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses. Basically, I give this staff a small pass on Keef because he's a bit of a fruit pop (or a genius, I'm not sure yet) and the staff got on Robinson late and they obviously recognize that mistake...but everyone else should be dominoes falling. This class was small and they needed to focus on such few guys, failure to land the big fish of the class, that are all in our back yard (OOS recruiting wrapped up for this staff in December for ****s sake), we must sign these guys.

Coley is commited., Can guarantee that. Grace is committed. Collins should be good. That's three of the 4 imperative ones right there. Who knows what happens with Thomas now.

It should be stated that Thomas is #1...any class without Thomas starts off at a B- and we subtract from there.

That's fine. I believe in this staff with/without 6.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...

I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses. Basically, I give this staff a small pass on Keef because he's a bit of a fruit pop (or a genius, I'm not sure yet) and the staff got on Robinson late and they obviously recognize that mistake...but everyone else should be dominoes falling. This class was small and they needed to focus on such few guys, failure to land the big fish of the class, that are all in our back yard (OOS recruiting wrapped up for this staff in December for ****s sake), we must sign these guys.

In every possible situation in which it would make sense for the staff to drop a kid, they haven't. Collins de-committed and is being heavily influenced by his HS corch, yet no ultimatums were given (to our knowledge) and he was never dropped by UM, even when he was flirting with FSU and every other school, yet we've continued to recruit the **** out of him. Keith Bryant has acted like a psycho, yet we are still recruiting him very hard even though we will likely lose him. The previous staff routinely gave up on guys when shenanigans were going on, but this one hasn't. So, something serious had to have happened here. I think they felt like they were getting played, big time. Promises were made to them that were broken, badly. Probably by some adults, too.

THIS.

Although I would say we have no idea what they have told Keith, and if he even still has an offer after the in home.

The KEY variable here is Coley. Collins main flirtation now is with Arkansas. We dont know what we dont know there. But what we DO know, is what these kids would have told FSU. They made this call because of what they got from Coley on these kids and FSU. Honestly feeling like Kirkland was going to pull some sh8t, and they knew it, and decided to give him at least one last chance to get on board out of respect for Harris.

The big issue here is the Harris issue. Not sure what the deal there is. Not sure if Kirkland was playing him, or if he was just ******** with the staff to buy time for Kirkland. BIG issue here is the legality of wether Barrow COULD tell Harris what they knew about Kirkland's dealings with FSU. If its against the rules for them to tell Harris what they got from Coley, they this would make PERFECT sense, because it would like to Harris like they were cutting Kirkland loose and not trusting him, but he wouldnt know it was because they had inside info they couldnt share with him, and that Kirkland was playing him too.

 

[rayray]

there's nothing wrong with what kirkland did. there's nothing wrong with being a "look at me" kid. he was playing the game and -- if he REALLY wanted to go to UM -- then he got burnt. miami isn't cutting collins or thomas or bostwick or grace loose because they haven't committed.

 

[weownfsu]

More double-talk from Lice. Completely contradicts what he told Fat Mandoo. Read this from ESPN article:

"He's hurt; I think he's extremely hurt -- upset," Harris described. "I think, as a kid, he looked at Miami as a place that he wanted to go to growing up. You know, being a couple days away from possibly signing to the school that he's liked all these years -- but he wasn't ready to commit yet, because there were two other schools he liked, and he wanted to be completely sure. He's had this signing day announcement for a long time now on ESPN."

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Lice told Fat Mandoo that Kirk was going to UM. Here, he says Kirk wasn't ready to commit because he still wasn't sure. This is the sort of double-talk that makes HCs nervous as they're trying to fill a class. Is he supposed to turn away guys he might like as much or more than Kirk when he thinks Kirk might be up to no good and might f$ck us on NSD?

For whatever reason, Al needed an answer from this dude today. I'm sure it had to do with planning and not wanting to get played and left with their dycks in their hands. Sure they heard things on the street about Kirk telling others he was going there or reaching out for that Old P1ss bag of loot and felt they needed a commit from Kirk or they needed to fill that spot with someone else.

Another good post in terms of the oddities form Ice. Again, it just doesn't add up and in both articles/interviews, he completely contradicts himself.

As many have stated, including The Franchise, if a school is your dream school, then you fricken commit on day one. Give me a break with this "I want to play the game" crap. Why does this rarely happen at the SEC or Texas schools? Kids there are born to love, say Alabama, and guess what? 90% of the time, when Alabama offers, the kid commits. In South Florida, there's other stuff going on. THERE HAS TO BE. Either there are more premadonna / selfish kids in Miami then every where else in the country or there are other factors at play here.

The thing is, a lot of these kids can just commit behind the scenes and it's not a big deal. Golden knows the games these guys like to play and was willing to wait it out with nearly EVERYONE. He doesn't give a **** about public announcements and I don't think a guy waiting till the end is necessarily selfish or a "look at me" type. But, when you play games behind closed doors after promises were made and put the coaches in a ****** position, then it's a different story.

 

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[DaveT]

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[MinnesotaCane]

By the way, just let this sink in again: how ridiculous is it that Kirkland, a kid that supposedly has wanted to go to UM since he first learned about football, told the head recruiting coordinator and his own coach's friend that UM was "in my top 3" at this point in the game! I mean, seriously, could you imagine if you were offered a top job offer from a company you've always wanted to be with....and then telling them, "well, you're in my top 3."

No one in their right mind says that for the place they truly want to be. NO ONE.

 

[Larry]

It should be stated that Thomas is #1...any class without Thomas starts off at a B- and we subtract from there.

You know, if the dude doesn't want to play for Coach Golden in Coral Gables and would rather play for Jimbob in Trailerhassee, I'm not sure what that has to do with ranking our class.

If the dude doesn't want to play for Coach Golden in Coral Gables...you make him.

 

[gogeta4]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on ebveryone their fater but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

- I do agree with ICE though....i dont think he is lying. Dude also has been around the recruiting world awhile. Kirk likely has been a "silent"...but may have been ready to do the signing day shuffle...of course he didnt/wouldnt divulge this to Ice who is a um guy...an likely would of talk down to him etc..

Which is why Barrow put him on blasts...and drew the line in the sand. pulled his card n he went with the " your in the top 3".

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.

ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS...i dont think its money or GRADES. Coach Ice requires atleast a 2.5 to PLAY. His kids usually always qualify...add to it it was part of his job at UM.
Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

I highly doubt that's how this all played out. I don't think this staff is so dense as to misread the situation that badly. A kid is committing to FSU instead of Miami? You let him go. You don't pull his offer. Where is this newfound pride coming from out of Golden's staff? He doesn't seem like the type to make this move simply because he's butthurt. Gotta be something else.

And how did they **** up with Cooper?

I dont think it was done to "protect the honor of the U" or any of that sh8t. They did it for the reasons they said. They were running out of space, and needed the kid to give an answer. He wouldnt. He wanted to play the game. Harris is ****ed because they didnt trust him to deliver, but here again, Coley probably knew that the kid was a silent to FSU, or leaning FSU, and they couldnt take the chance that they were going to lose another kid that we NEED, so that this kid could f*ck us over with a hat trick. ****, maybe this was Barrow and Golden giving Ice and Kirkland ONE LAST CHANCE, to take the UM offer, KNOWING that the kid wasnt going to take it. Maybe they JUST did this out of respect for Harris and to give Kirkland the benefit of the doubt. So he cant say they didnt give him a fair shot to come here, despite already knowing he was a silent to FSU.

Harris could just be ****ed because they didnt trust him to deliver, but if Coley already knew the kid was a silent to FSU, then it was a risk they couldnt take.

Does anyone know if it would even be legal for Barrow to tell Harris that they knew Kirkland was a silent to FSU?

all what u posted is EXACTLY what i believe went down. It is true we WOULD run out of room if he played the hat trick...we probably want Brooks in the class also.

-this didnt come up ...UNTIL..Coley was on staff....imma put two an two together. They waited ALLLLLL this time...are still WAITING on Matt Thomas..yet didnt give him the ultimatum. Coley probably felt Kirkland was an FSU lean or a silent to both schools..so they drew the line in sand to see where he was at and dude didnt budge or indicate which way face to face.

-Ice is probably "hot" that we werent trusting his opinions that the kid is going to the u. Ice is a um guy through and through...his reaction leads me to believe my theory.

Were coming down to the wire..and new kids want in..we want our "silents" locked in..not to say were in their top 3.

i just dont like this dude Manny...dude has an agenda...we have 2 dade commited im sure he threw that at Ice.....does he know our positions of need and the abundance of those in dade?...

dude was mad at all the good news of last week and is sleeping with smiles on what went down tonigt