CS Ferman News on Kirkland

[AZHurricane]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

Maybe because AJL said I'm with you guys regardless of whether I qualify or not, instead of "you're in my top 3"?

 

[tsimonitis]

Ice's job right now is to protect his player. Ice has now made the story about him and has taken the heat off of Kirkland. That is what a coach does. Ice has a professional and personal relationship with AG. At this point I am sure that AG understands that Ice need to protect his player. This too shall pass.

Ok you can protect your player and lie and say it wasn't about grades...the problem I have is him getting all ****ed

That is the point. Now people are talking about what Ice said and not what Kirkland did or din't do.

 

[TP800]

For all of you s*cking on Ice Harris's d*ck and taking Kirkland's story at face value, think of this.

All this BULLSHT about this "kid" getting his "dreams dashed" and not being able to "trust" anyone now and all this since he SO wanted to come to Miami and we took his ride away.... ask yourself this.

Barrow F*CKING TOLD HIM, commit to us or we will have to move on to something else as we are running out of room. HE DIDNT F*CKING COMMIT. If THIS is what he wanted, then WHY didnt he tell him, "Ok coach, Im in, hold my spot".???? WHY WAS THAT SO F*CKING HARD???

OR MAYBE..... these guys are full of sh*T, ALL OF THEM, and they were goign to F*CK US, and that is why he didnt commit. Maybe he is butthurt NOW because word got out that we yanked his scholie and he's embarassed, and it ruined his little signing drama theater.

Again, if this kid was coming, and THIS is what he wanted, WHY didnt he take it when they told him "Put up or we have to move on"??? I mean LMAO, what am I missing here?

Im not buying any of Ice Harris' bullsh*t. "They couldnt wait til signing day"? Wait for WHAT? All he had to do was tell Barrow YES, and he could have had his big dramatic announcement. No one would have known!!!

These guys were JERKING US around. Golden smelled it out, and pulled the "HAT TRICK" on them for a change. THAT is what these cats are ****ed about. For the first time, WE left some punks at the altar, before they embarassed and dissed US.

So basically your going to justify it however you can that golden and staff are The ones who did nothing wrong no matter what. Why can't you just admit that Golden might have ****ed the situation up? Dat boy Shammin ****ed pretty much the whole program up and people have NO problem blaming him for almost ANYHING that has gone wrong with the program.

YOu know why Im not blaming Golden? Because I have no reason to. Because Harris's story makes NO F*CKING SENSE, that's why. Its not like Golden and the staff didnt know that Thomas goes to BTW. Its not like they didnt discuss this with Harris. You think Harris didnt voice his displeasure to Barrow? You think they didnt think this could cause issues?

THEY KNEW MAN. Hey, whose our new OC??? Where did he come from??? Who was he recruiting??? Yeah.... he knows what Thomas and Kirkland and Harris were telling FSU. And now Golden knows too. And guess what else? Kirkland was given the chance to affirm his desire to be here, and chose not to. Even though EVERYONE knows that such a commitment would be kept silent, and he could have announced it whenever HE wanted to. Yet he jerked us around. Why is that?

Maybe you ought to have a little faith that the staff knew a little more than you and I did before they made this decision. Golden didnt just get into coaching yesterday.

ANd LOL at you finding a way to somehow turn this into some martyr trip over Shannon. Shannon had his chance and turned this into a trainwreck. He's gone, and he's not coming back.

So what your saying is there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY Golden and staff might have ****ed this situation up. ABSOLOUTELY NNO WAY IN HIS WORLD RIGHT? ITS ALL ON TIM HARRIS. What if your wrong? There's two sides to every story. Golden CAN and probably will make mistakes. You say ICEs story is bull****. Yet you take his WORD that Barrow asked Kirkland to commit and he wouldn't. Was that bull**** too? And as far as Shannon goes, I used that as an example AND YOU KNOW people bring his *** up all the time. DONT WANT HIM BACK. What I am saying is there is a CHANCE Golden might have ****ed the situation up.

 

[canesfan049]

"Silently commit to us or you can't come here." Does that sound like a coach that really wants the kid to come to his school?

Get the **** out of here with that weak bull****. Does this sound like a kid whose dream is to play for said school?

Coach: We really like you, want you in the class, but we're running out of room. OL isn't a big need position for us this year, and we need you to jump now if you're gonna jump.
Recruit: Sorry coach. You gotta wait a few more days to find out. You're in my top three.

Why would a kid commit to a school when the school is giving him an ultimatum? The ultimatum itself is proof that the school doesn't really want him. You don't give a kid a conditional offer if you truly want him in your class. So why should he have committed to a school that didn't truly even want him? Make some sense please.

You're making assumptions on this kid you don't even know based on zero evidence. You don't know what went into this kid's decision making process. Maybe he wouldn't commit because he wanted to discuss with his parents first, maybe he's religious and wanted to pray on it. Whatever. There could be any number of reasons for him not wanting to silently commit. In no way does that mean that he didn't truly want to come to Miami.

There have been plenty of kids who dreamed of playing for Miami that didn't commit before NSD.

I haven't heard a single kid commit to Miami today, but we have a full class and ran out of room. Looks to me there are quite a few recruits that took the option to silent commit, because it was now or never, and the got on TheU now

 

[Miami04]

I won't stop anybody from going to UM, but I can tell you I'll never help them again."

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umia...-scholarship-from-kirkland.html#storylink=cpy

Never want to hear that from the coach of a feeder school.

 

[jerzeycane]

"Silently commit to us or you can't come here." Does that sound like a coach that really wants the kid to come to his school?

Get the **** out of here with that weak bull****. Does this sound like a kid whose dream is to play for said school?

Coach: We really like you, want you in the class, but we're running out of room. OL isn't a big need position for us this year, and we need you to jump now if you're gonna jump.
Recruit: Sorry coach. You gotta wait a few more days to find out. You're in my top three.

Why would a kid commit to a school when the school is giving him an ultimatum? The ultimatum itself is proof that the school doesn't really want him. You don't give a kid a conditional offer if you truly want him in your class. So why should he have committed to a school that didn't truly even want him? Make some sense please.

You're making assumptions on this kid you don't even know based on zero evidence. You don't know what went into this kid's decision making process. Maybe he wouldn't commit because he wanted to discuss with his parents first, maybe he's religious and wanted to pray on it. Whatever. There could be any number of reasons for him not wanting to silently commit. In no way does that mean that he didn't truly want to come to Miami.

There have been plenty of kids who dreamed of playing for Miami that didn't commit before NSD.

I haven't heard a single kid commit to Miami today, but we have a full class and ran out of room. Looks to me there are quite a few recruits that took the option to silent commit, because it was now or never, and the got on TheU now

Said this earlier and people completely glossed over it

 

[CANE4LIFE]

For the C4L faction that believes that this was UM trying to blow the lid off of some BTW conspiracy, tell me what UM gains be doing it so publicly like this where you're ****ing off more than just a single player as opposed to just letting the BTW guys do their hat thing, pick someone else, and then go after the 2014 guys without having a coach and/or player out there talking bad about you to anyone who will listen.

I guess Al Golden could may have been trying to play secret agent, but he didn't defuse the bomb at 0:01, it went off in his face if that is the case.

Whoa whoa whoa, lets not spin this into something its not. The only reason this turned into a sh*tstorm is because Kirkland and Harris decided to. I dont think UM was trying to blow the lid off any conspiracy. I think Harris was playing games, trying to help out his player, and UM found out about it. Im not sure what was going through Kirkland's head or what the kid wants, but what I DO know, is that Golden and Barrow are trying to do what is best for UM and what they need in this class. I think its obvious they lost faith in Harris' promises, because they decided to force Kirkland's hand. I dont think this was all some grand conspriacy, I think Thomas was gone, and Harris knew it, but he figured if he could keep dangling him to UM, he would buy Kirkland time to do whatever it is he is/was going to do. He was trying to help his player out, but UM found out that Harris was probably full of sh*t on Thomas, and they lost faith on him, and faced with a numbers crunch, they had to make a tough decision, and forced Kirkland's hand. When Kirkland flaked, they figured that he was full of sh*t, or a flake, and that Harris was just stalling and couldnt deliver, and they bailed.

Its not some grand conspiracy, just recruiting games that blew up in someone's face. How it all plays out will determine who gets the worst of it, but I dont think anyone deliberately set out to ***** anyone here. Well maybe some of the kids were looking to play games, but I think Harris was probably just trying to do what he thought was best for his players, and UM was doing what it needed to do to protect itself and its class.

 

[Larry]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

Maybe because AJL said I'm with you guys regardless of whether I qualify or not, instead of "you're in my top 3"?

Maybe AJL should have said "you're in my top 3" and included studying and test taking as his #1 and #2 with Miami a close #3.

 

[Republicane]

Miami didn't do it publically. They had a private meeting with the kid and prob Ice. UM isn't allowed to comment on recruits to the media. Who do you think linked the story?

For the C4L faction that believes that this was UM trying to blow the lid off of some BTW conspiracy, tell me what UM gains be doing it so publicly like this where you're ****ing off more than just a single player as opposed to just letting the BTW guys do their hat thing, pick someone else, and then go after the 2014 guys without having a coach and/or player out there talking bad about you to anyone who will listen.

I guess Al Golden could may have been trying to play secret agent, but he didn't defuse the bomb at 0:01, it went off in his face if that is the case.

I posted this question in the Buzz thread.

I'm not a conspiracy guy. I don't think BTW was "playing" UM. But something was going on, on some level. My only guess as to why UM played it this was is that they wanted to know going into NSD exactly what they had. Didn't want to be sitting around waiting to find out if things would flip their way or not. I'm skepitcal of that, however.

Your thoughts?

Maybe I phrased it wrong, they didn't do it publicly, they (allegedly) did it in such a way that it would blow up publicly. Because like I posted above, if it were grades or numbers, there are ways to handle it that don't require a huge media fiasco. And I just can't believe that Golden and Co. would chose the former if the latter were available.

 

[freespirted305]

I am going to let it play out before having an opinion on who was right or wrong in this situation...however in the future if another school like fsu pulls an offer from a michael johnson for instance I better hear this same outrage coming out of a dade staff or else its all just bull****

 

[Biscuits]

[Why would a kid commit to a school when the school is giving him an ultimatum? The ultimatum itself is proof that the school doesn't really want him. You don't give a kid a conditional offer if you truly want him in your class. So why should he have committed to a school that didn't truly even want him? Make some sense please.

You're making assumptions on this kid you don't even know based on zero evidence. You don't know what went into this kid's decision making process. Maybe he wouldn't commit because he wanted to discuss with his parents first, maybe he's religious and wanted to pray on it. Whatever. There could be any number of reasons for him not wanting to silently commit. In no way does that mean that he didn't truly want to come to Miami.

There have been plenty of kids who dreamed of playing for Miami that didn't commit before NSD.

You're doing the exact same thing.

I choose to believe that it's far more likely that a kid would commit to a school he "dreams" about attending, when told that he needs to do so now. There are one hundred business reasons why a salesman might tell a prospect to buy now or lose the chance to buy at all. If the prospect does not buy, and misses that chance, it's on him - not the salesman.

 

[poppy123]

I can't believe people are actually arguing this "he should have silently committed" bull****. No he shouldn't have. It's his ****ing decision he shouldn't be forced to decide. If you want him let him decide when he wants. Otherwise don't offer him at all.

Really? You all are now condoning the Randy Shannon method of ultimatum recruiting? Commit now or we don't want you? Didn't you all used to kill Randy for this? Such ****ing hypocrites.

If this had happened under Randy Shannon you'd be calling for his head.

There it is. Maybe Kirkland overestimated his worth just a little? He thought he was a must have. He just found out he wasn't.

Let's see if he has a Miami Hat on the table? If he does he was going to play US.

 

[Biscuits]

Miami didn't do it publically. They had a private meeting with the kid and prob Ice. UM isn't allowed to comment on recruits to the media. Who do you think linked the story?

For the C4L faction that believes that this was UM trying to blow the lid off of some BTW conspiracy, tell me what UM gains be doing it so publicly like this where you're ****ing off more than just a single player as opposed to just letting the BTW guys do their hat thing, pick someone else, and then go after the 2014 guys without having a coach and/or player out there talking bad about you to anyone who will listen.

I guess Al Golden could may have been trying to play secret agent, but he didn't defuse the bomb at 0:01, it went off in his face if that is the case.

I posted this question in the Buzz thread.

I'm not a conspiracy guy. I don't think BTW was "playing" UM. But something was going on, on some level. My only guess as to why UM played it this was is that they wanted to know going into NSD exactly what they had. Didn't want to be sitting around waiting to find out if things would flip their way or not. I'm skepitcal of that, however.

Your thoughts?

Maybe I phrased it wrong, they didn't do it publicly, they (allegedly) did it in such a way that it would blow up publicly. Because like I posted above, if it were grades or numbers, there are ways to handle it that don't require a huge media fiasco. And I just can't believe that Golden and Co. would chose the former if the latter were available.

Exactly. Why tell Kirk and Ice we're pulling the kids offer? Obviously, that happened, or we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

 

[weownfsu]

Miami didn't do it publically. They had a private meeting with the kid and prob Ice. UM isn't allowed to comment on recruits to the media. Who do you think linked the story?

For the C4L faction that believes that this was UM trying to blow the lid off of some BTW conspiracy, tell me what UM gains be doing it so publicly like this where you're ****ing off more than just a single player as opposed to just letting the BTW guys do their hat thing, pick someone else, and then go after the 2014 guys without having a coach and/or player out there talking bad about you to anyone who will listen.

I guess Al Golden could may have been trying to play secret agent, but he didn't defuse the bomb at 0:01, it went off in his face if that is the case.

I posted this question in the Buzz thread.

I'm not a conspiracy guy. I don't think BTW was "playing" UM. But something was going on, on some level. My only guess as to why UM played it this was is that they wanted to know going into NSD exactly what they had. Didn't want to be sitting around waiting to find out if things would flip their way or not. I'm skepitcal of that, however.

Your thoughts?

Maybe I phrased it wrong, they didn't do it publicly, they (allegedly) did it in such a way that it would blow up publicly. Because like I posted above, if it were grades or numbers, there are ways to handle it that don't require a huge media fiasco. And I just can't believe that Golden and Co. would chose the former if the latter were available.

Exactly, which is why I think Golden got ****ed off at Ice for some reason.

 

[AZHurricane]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

Maybe because AJL said I'm with you guys regardless of whether I qualify or not, instead of "you're in my top 3"?

Maybe AJL should have said "you're in my top 3" and included studying and test taking as his #1 and #2 with Miami a close #3.

LOL. Point wasn't about AJL and his 0.0 GPA, it was about us willing to stick with him because we trusted his commitment, which does not appear to be the case with Kirkland.

 

[deleted3746]

I won't stop anybody from going to UM, but I can tell you I'll never help them again."

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umia...-scholarship-from-kirkland.html#storylink=cpy

Never want to hear that from the coach of a feeder school.

With or without Ice, Miami will be fine.

 

[weownfsu]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

Maybe because AJL said I'm with you guys regardless of whether I qualify or not, instead of "you're in my top 3"?

Maybe AJL should have said "you're in my top 3" and included studying and test taking as his #1 and #2 with Miami a close #3.

LOL. Point wasn't about AJL and his 0.0 GPA, it was about us willing to stick with him because we trusted his commitment, which does not appear to be the case with Kirkland.

I count that in "something weird happening." Ice said he assured UM coaches Kirkland was coming, and then Kirkland tells UM he has us in the top 3. I think the staff felt like they were being played.

 

[NotoriousJJE]

It would be soout of character for golden to have ****ed this up.

Usually when evaluating people and predicting their actions, the first thing you look at is their history. ******* this up old contradict golden, cristobal, and coley's history.

Just makes no sense.

Having said that,they better have the class pretty much locked up before this went down.

 

[gogeta4]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on everyone their after but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

- I do agree with ICE though....i dont think he is lying. Dude also has been around the recruiting world awhile. Kirk likely has been a "silent"...but may have been ready to do the signing day shuffle...of course he didnt/wouldnt divulge this to Ice who is a um guy...an likely would of talk down to him etc..

Which is why Barrow put him on blasts...and drew the line in the sand. pulled his card n he went with the " your in the top 3".

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.

ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS...i dont think its money or GRADES. Coach Ice requires atleast a 2.5 to PLAY. His kids usually always qualify...add to it it was part of his job at UM.
Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

 

[Republicane]

For the C4L faction that believes that this was UM trying to blow the lid off of some BTW conspiracy, tell me what UM gains be doing it so publicly like this where you're ****ing off more than just a single player as opposed to just letting the BTW guys do their hat thing, pick someone else, and then go after the 2014 guys without having a coach and/or player out there talking bad about you to anyone who will listen.

I guess Al Golden could may have been trying to play secret agent, but he didn't defuse the bomb at 0:01, it went off in his face if that is the case.

Whoa whoa whoa, lets not spin this into something its not. The only reason this turned into a sh*tstorm is because Kirkland and Harris decided to. I dont think UM was trying to blow the lid off any conspiracy. I think Harris was playing games, trying to help out his player, and UM found out about it. Im not sure what was going through Kirkland's head or what the kid wants, but what I DO know, is that Golden and Barrow are trying to do what is best for UM and what they need in this class.

So then why was the option UM chose today better than simply not sending a LOI for him to sign on NSD? Or sending him one and letting him sign elsewhere. If UM is going to **** him off by not offering, and especially if Thomas is (allegedly) already out, who does that hurt? If it is simply UM ****ing him over, I'd rather it be on Wednesday after other guys have already signed UM paperwork than do it today and give UM's rivals and the media (somewhat redundant) 6 days to use it recruit against them.