CS Ferman News on Kirkland

[CANE4LIFE]

For all of you s*cking on Ice Harris's d*ck and taking Kirkland's story at face value, think of this.

All this BULLSHT about this "kid" getting his "dreams dashed" and not being able to "trust" anyone now and all this since he SO wanted to come to Miami and we took his ride away.... ask yourself this.

Barrow F*CKING TOLD HIM, commit to us or we will have to move on to something else as we are running out of room. HE DIDNT F*CKING COMMIT. If THIS is what he wanted, then WHY didnt he tell him, "Ok coach, Im in, hold my spot".???? WHY WAS THAT SO F*CKING HARD???

OR MAYBE..... these guys are full of sh*T, ALL OF THEM, and they were goign to F*CK US, and that is why he didnt commit. Maybe he is butthurt NOW because word got out that we yanked his scholie and he's embarassed, and it ruined his little signing drama theater.

Again, if this kid was coming, and THIS is what he wanted, WHY didnt he take it when they told him "Put up or we have to move on"??? I mean LMAO, what am I missing here?

Im not buying any of Ice Harris' bullsh*t. "They couldnt wait til signing day"? Wait for WHAT? All he had to do was tell Barrow YES, and he could have had his big dramatic announcement. No one would have known!!!

These guys were JERKING US around. Golden smelled it out, and pulled the "HAT TRICK" on them for a change. THAT is what these cats are ****ed about. For the first time, WE left some punks at the altar, before they embarassed and dissed US.

So basically your going to justify it however you can that golden and staff are The ones who did nothing wrong no matter what. Why can't you just admit that Golden might have ****ed the situation up? Dat boy Shammin ****ed pretty much the whole program up and people have NO problem blaming him for almost ANYHING that has gone wrong with the program.

YOu know why Im not blaming Golden? Because I have no reason to. Because Harris's story makes NO F*CKING SENSE, that's why. Its not like Golden and the staff didnt know that Thomas goes to BTW. Its not like they didnt discuss this with Harris. You think Harris didnt voice his displeasure to Barrow? You think they didnt think this could cause issues?

THEY KNEW MAN. Hey, whose our new OC??? Where did he come from??? Who was he recruiting??? Yeah.... he knows what Thomas and Kirkland and Harris were telling FSU. And now Golden knows too. And guess what else? Kirkland was given the chance to affirm his desire to be here, and chose not to. Even though EVERYONE knows that such a commitment would be kept silent, and he could have announced it whenever HE wanted to. Yet he jerked us around. Why is that?

Maybe you ought to have a little faith that the staff knew a little more than you and I did before they made this decision. Golden didnt just get into coaching yesterday.

ANd LOL at you finding a way to somehow turn this into some martyr trip over Shannon. Shannon had his chance and turned this into a trainwreck. He's gone, and he's not coming back.

So what your saying is there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY Golden and staff might have ****ed this situation up. ABSOLOUTELY NNO WAY IN HIS WORLD RIGHT? ITS ALL ON TIM HARRIS. What if your wrong? There's two sides to every story. Golden CAN and probably will make mistakes. You say ICEs story is bull****. Yet you take his WORD that Barrow asked Kirkland to commit and he wouldn't. Was that bull**** too? And as far as Shannon goes, I used that as an example AND YOU KNOW people bring his *** up all the time. DONT WANT HIM BACK. What I am saying is there is a CHANCE Golden might have ****ed the situation up.

No, what Im saying is that I have no reason to think Golden f*cked this up, because all we have are the angry rantings of a high school coach, whose OWN STORY, makes no sense to me at all. By his OWN statements, his player was offered the chance to commit, and refused, despite this coach saying that the player wanted to commit to the school. Does that make any sense to you? And EVEN when the player was told we were running out of room, and needed to know his answer, because we may not be able to hold his scholarship, he STILL did NOT give us his answer. And moments later they are all whining that he wanted to come here??? The rationale offered by Harris of Kirkland wanting to make his announcement on NSD is BULLSHT and anyone who has followed recruiting for more than 5 minutes knows how utterly ridiculous it is. Kids commit silently and announce whenever they want. What Barrow was asking for was a commitment to the staff, not a public commitment, so that would have NO bearing on his NSD annoucement.

Thus, based on those facts, I have no reason to think Golden did anything wrong here. Harris' story makes no sense. And when you think the situation through, and think of it from the staff's perspective, it seems they were doing the only thing that seemed prudent, and designed to protect the PROGRAM, which is what we should all be concerned with.

 

[Larry]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...

I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses. Basically, I give this staff a small pass on Keef because he's a bit of a fruit pop (or a genius, I'm not sure yet) and the staff got on Robinson late and they obviously recognize that mistake...but everyone else should be dominoes falling. This class was small and they needed to focus on such few guys, failure to land the big fish of the class, that are all in our back yard (OOS recruiting wrapped up for this staff in December for ***** sake), we must sign these guys.

 

[Madbugger]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on ebveryone their fater but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

- I do agree with ICE though....i dont think he is lying. Dude also has been around the recruiting world awhile. Kirk likely has been a "silent"...but may have been ready to do the signing day shuffle...of course he didnt/wouldnt divulge this to Ice who is a um guy...an likely would of talk down to him etc..

Which is why Barrow put him on blasts...and drew the line in the sand. pulled his card n he went with the " your in the top 3".

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.

ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS...i dont think its money or GRADES. Coach Ice requires atleast a 2.5 to PLAY. His kids usually always qualify...add to it it was part of his job at UM.
Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plpp&v=oCT9q25o5vc[/video]

 

[CANE4LIFE]

For the C4L faction that believes that this was UM trying to blow the lid off of some BTW conspiracy, tell me what UM gains be doing it so publicly like this where you're ****ing off more than just a single player as opposed to just letting the BTW guys do their hat thing, pick someone else, and then go after the 2014 guys without having a coach and/or player out there talking bad about you to anyone who will listen.

I guess Al Golden could may have been trying to play secret agent, but he didn't defuse the bomb at 0:01, it went off in his face if that is the case.

Whoa whoa whoa, lets not spin this into something its not. The only reason this turned into a sh*tstorm is because Kirkland and Harris decided to. I dont think UM was trying to blow the lid off any conspiracy. I think Harris was playing games, trying to help out his player, and UM found out about it. Im not sure what was going through Kirkland's head or what the kid wants, but what I DO know, is that Golden and Barrow are trying to do what is best for UM and what they need in this class.

So then why was the option UM chose today better than simply not sending a LOI for him to sign on NSD? Or sending him one and letting him sign elsewhere. If UM is going to **** him off by not offering, and especially if Thomas is (allegedly) already out, who does that hurt? If it is simply UM ****ing him over, I'd rather it be on Wednesday after other guys have already signed UM paperwork than do it today and give UM's rivals and the media (somewhat redundant) 6 days to use it recruit against them.

LOL, listen to what you are saying brother. So we should NOT send him an LOI on NSD, and that is how we let him know his ship has sailed? That is about the worst thing a coach could ever do to a recruit. At least this lets the kid know that with dwindling numbers, he may NOT get one if others snatch up the offers first. This is the RIGHT way to treat a kid, by being honest with him, and telling him "look, we are running out of space, we need to know if you are with us, because we cant wait til NSD to know if you are going to ***** us over".

I mean how would THAT look, not sending him an LOI on NSD? Isnt it better to give the kid at least some notice than to pull that on NSD?

 

[Biscuits]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on ebveryone their fater but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

- I do agree with ICE though....i dont think he is lying. Dude also has been around the recruiting world awhile. Kirk likely has been a "silent"...but may have been ready to do the signing day shuffle...of course he didnt/wouldnt divulge this to Ice who is a um guy...an likely would of talk down to him etc..

Which is why Barrow put him on blasts...and drew the line in the sand. pulled his card n he went with the " your in the top 3".

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.

ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS...i dont think its money or GRADES. Coach Ice requires atleast a 2.5 to PLAY. His kids usually always qualify...add to it it was part of his job at UM.
Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

I highly doubt that's how this all played out. I don't think this staff is so dense as to misread the situation that badly. A kid is committing to FSU instead of Miami? You let him go. You don't pull his offer. Where is this newfound pride coming from out of Golden's staff? He doesn't seem like the type to make this move simply because he's butthurt. Gotta be something else.

And how did they **** up with Cooper?

 

[NotoriousJJE]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on everyone their after but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

- I do agree with ICE though....i dont think he is lying. Dude also has been around the recruiting world awhile. Kirk likely has been a "silent"...but may have been ready to do the signing day shuffle...of course he didnt/wouldnt divulge this to Ice who is a um guy...an likely would of talk down to him etc..

Which is why Barrow put him on blasts...and drew the line in the sand. pulled his card n he went with the " your in the top 3".

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.

ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS...i dont think its money or GRADES. Coach Ice requires atleast a 2.5 to PLAY. His kids usually always qualify...add to it it was part of his job at UM.
Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

Truth hurts. Just hard to believe I though...

 

[Madbugger]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...

I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses.

So if that doesn't happen, then where do stand on the Golden regime?

 

[Biscuits]

So then why was the option UM chose today better than simply not sending a LOI for him to sign on NSD? Or sending him one and letting him sign elsewhere. If UM is going to **** him off by not offering, and especially if Thomas is (allegedly) already out, who does that hurt? If it is simply UM ****ing him over, I'd rather it be on Wednesday after other guys have already signed UM paperwork than do it today and give UM's rivals and the media (somewhat redundant) 6 days to use it recruit against them.

LOL, listen to what you are saying brother. So we should NOT send him an LOI on NSD, and that is how we let him know his ship has sailed? That is about the worst thing a coach could ever do to a recruit. At least this lets the kid know that with dwindling numbers, he may NOT get one if others snatch up the offers first. This is the RIGHT way to treat a kid, by being honest with him, and telling him "look, we are running out of space, we need to know if you are with us, because we cant wait til NSD to know if you are going to ***** us over".

I mean how would THAT look, not sending him an LOI on NSD? Isnt it better to give the kid at least some notice than to pull that on NSD?

It doesn't even have to be that complicated. If the kid is signing elsewhere, it doesn't matter if we send him an LOI. He's not signing it.

 

[bbcane]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...
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I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses. Basically, I give this staff a small pass on Keef because he's a bit of a fruit pop (or a genius, I'm not sure yet) and the staff got on Robinson late and they obviously recognize that mistake...but everyone else should be dominoes falling. This class was small and they needed to focus on such few guys, failure to land the big fish of the class, that are all in our back yard (OOS recruiting wrapped up for this staff in December for ****s sake), we must sign these guys.

Agree. If not feeder school and 6. Kirkland is not a must get recruit

 

[CaneGang]

Golden forgot how to recruit, Coley is a secret agent, and Keef Still Keefin. Move along.

 

[MinnesotaCane]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on ebveryone their fater but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

- I do agree with ICE though....i dont think he is lying. Dude also has been around the recruiting world awhile. Kirk likely has been a "silent"...but may have been ready to do the signing day shuffle...of course he didnt/wouldnt divulge this to Ice who is a um guy...an likely would of talk down to him etc..

Which is why Barrow put him on blasts...and drew the line in the sand. pulled his card n he went with the " your in the top 3".

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.

ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS...i dont think its money or GRADES. Coach Ice requires atleast a 2.5 to PLAY. His kids usually always qualify...add to it it was part of his job at UM.
Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plpp&v=oCT9q25o5vc[/video]

gogeta4 has a strong post. There has to be something going on here besides what we've heard. Someone is lying and UM has NOTHING to gain from pulling the tactics they're being charged with. Makes no sense. 99% of the time, we find out that there was something going on behind the scenes with the recruit, his coach, and/or family members.

 

[weownfsu]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...

I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses. Basically, I give this staff a small pass on Keef because he's a bit of a fruit pop (or a genius, I'm not sure yet) and the staff got on Robinson late and they obviously recognize that mistake...but everyone else should be dominoes falling. This class was small and they needed to focus on such few guys, failure to land the big fish of the class, that are all in our back yard (OOS recruiting wrapped up for this staff in December for ****s sake), we must sign these guys.

In every possible situation in which it would make sense for the staff to drop a kid, they haven't. Collins de-committed and is being heavily influenced by his HS corch, yet no ultimatums were given (to our knowledge) and he was never dropped by UM, even when he was flirting with FSU and every other school, yet we've continued to recruit the **** out of him. Keith Bryant has acted like a psycho, yet we are still recruiting him very hard even though we will likely lose him. The previous staff routinely gave up on guys when shenanigans were going on, but this one hasn't. So, something serious had to have happened here. I think they felt like they were getting played, big time. Promises were made to them that were broken, badly. Probably by some adults, too.

 

[NVA CANE]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...

I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses. Basically, I give this staff a small pass on Keef because he's a bit of a fruit pop (or a genius, I'm not sure yet) and the staff got on Robinson late and they obviously recognize that mistake...but everyone else should be dominoes falling. This class was small and they needed to focus on such few guys, failure to land the big fish of the class, that are all in our back yard (OOS recruiting wrapped up for this staff in December for ***** sake), we must sign these guys.

Talking out my *** as I have no info except what I read here but I dont think we are getting thomas, collins, bostwick and now kirkland

 

[deleted3746]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on everyone their after but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

- I do agree with ICE though....i dont think he is lying. Dude also has been around the recruiting world awhile. Kirk likely has been a "silent"...but may have been ready to do the signing day shuffle...of course he didnt/wouldnt divulge this to Ice who is a um guy...an likely would of talk down to him etc..

Which is why Barrow put him on blasts...and drew the line in the sand. pulled his card n he went with the " your in the top 3".

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.

ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS...i dont think its money or GRADES. Coach Ice requires atleast a 2.5 to PLAY. His kids usually always qualify...add to it it was part of his job at UM.
Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

A lot of assumptions and speculation in this post. Please elaborate on how this staff ****ed up with Amari Cooper.

 

[AZHurricane]

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.


Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

If a kid wanted to "shock the world" and was silent to FSU. How the **** did UM **** up??

We should let his kid punk us so maybe the next kid won't punk us?

I don't get that.

And **** Manny.

 

[Larry]

I've had the same thoughts on Denver Kirkland since the spring. He's a guard...he's a bit of a reacher...but...

Ain't no way I'm not taking Dade's #1 offensive line prospect...if he's got grade problems, you send that kid down the Green Mile to prep school n I'll see ya in 4 months. But you don't let the kid go to Ole Miss or USF. That's silly.

Exactly, which is why something weird happened. Since when do we give that much of a **** whether a kid qualifies to pull his offer? We signed AJL knowing he had serious grade issues and sent him to prep, but we wouldn't send Kirkland to prep?

I've seen weirder **** at this University over the past decade and seen and heard "fans" justify it...

I use my quote-fingers there because these "fans" rationalize and agree with some truly detrimental decisions over the past decade.

I'm on record as saying of these 8 or so big local recruits we need to land on Signing Day (Thomas, Collins, Grace, Bostwick, Chief Keef, Rashad Robinson, Kirkland, Coley), we need to land 6 or 7...no excuses and Thomas, Collins, Coley, and Grace are imperative gets...no excuses.

So if that doesn't happen, then where do stand on the Golden regime?

I dunno, but it'd be a big failure, ESPECIALLY considering we had epic momentum heading into Signing Day just over a week ago lol.

Losing Dade kids to Florida State when you just stole their recruiting coordinator and they lost all of their main recruiters and bag men is unacceptable, really.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on ebveryone their fater but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

- I do agree with ICE though....i dont think he is lying. Dude also has been around the recruiting world awhile. Kirk likely has been a "silent"...but may have been ready to do the signing day shuffle...of course he didnt/wouldnt divulge this to Ice who is a um guy...an likely would of talk down to him etc..

Which is why Barrow put him on blasts...and drew the line in the sand. pulled his card n he went with the " your in the top 3".

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.

ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS...i dont think its money or GRADES. Coach Ice requires atleast a 2.5 to PLAY. His kids usually always qualify...add to it it was part of his job at UM.
Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

I highly doubt that's how this all played out. I don't think this staff is so dense as to misread the situation that badly. A kid is committing to FSU instead of Miami? You let him go. You don't pull his offer. Where is this newfound pride coming from out of Golden's staff? He doesn't seem like the type to make this move simply because he's butthurt. Gotta be something else.

And how did they **** up with Cooper?

I dont think it was done to "protect the honor of the U" or any of that sh8t. They did it for the reasons they said. They were running out of space, and needed the kid to give an answer. He wouldnt. He wanted to play the game. Harris is ****ed because they didnt trust him to deliver, but here again, Coley probably knew that the kid was a silent to FSU, or leaning FSU, and they couldnt take the chance that they were going to lose another kid that we NEED, so that this kid could f*ck us over with a hat trick. ****, maybe this was Barrow and Golden giving Ice and Kirkland ONE LAST CHANCE, to take the UM offer, KNOWING that the kid wasnt going to take it. Maybe they JUST did this out of respect for Harris and to give Kirkland the benefit of the doubt. So he cant say they didnt give him a fair shot to come here, despite already knowing he was a silent to FSU.

Harris could just be ****ed because they didnt trust him to deliver, but if Coley already knew the kid was a silent to FSU, then it was a risk they couldnt take.

Does anyone know if it would even be legal for Barrow to tell Harris that they knew Kirkland was a silent to FSU?

 

[The Franchise]

More double-talk from Lice. Completely contradicts what he told Fat Mandoo. Read this from ESPN article:

"He's hurt; I think he's extremely hurt -- upset," Harris described. "I think, as a kid, he looked at Miami as a place that he wanted to go to growing up. You know, being a couple days away from possibly signing to the school that he's liked all these years -- but he wasn't ready to commit yet, because there were two other schools he liked, and he wanted to be completely sure. He's had this signing day announcement for a long time now on ESPN."

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Lice told Fat Mandoo that Kirk was going to UM. Here, he says Kirk wasn't ready to commit because he still wasn't sure. This is the sort of double-talk that makes HCs nervous as they're trying to fill a class. Is he supposed to turn away guys he might like as much or more than Kirk when he thinks Kirk might be up to no good and might f$ck us on NSD?

For whatever reason, Al needed an answer from this dude today. I'm sure it had to do with planning and not wanting to get played and left with their dycks in their hands. Sure they heard things on the street about Kirk telling others he was going there or reaching out for that Old P1ss bag of loot and felt they needed a commit from Kirk or they needed to fill that spot with someone else.

 

[Torocane]

We should also consider the possibility that contrary to what Ice was telling the staff, the staff may have had an idea that Kirkland was going somewhere else. That would make more sense. Maybe Kirkland was playing Ice also....staff knew what was up.

THIS IS IT.

KIRKLAND was really FEELING FSU. Denson has been recruiting him hard, he camped up there etc...when i saw them(fsu) basically waving the white flag on the Denver Kirkland..it was the bait an switch. FSU has high percentages on everyone their after but basically said Kirkland was all ours...lol..

- See this is the PROBLEM with so.fla kids....the whole NSD hing is their "moment" to much look at me..shock people sh*t...

- I do agree with ICE though....i dont think he is lying. Dude also has been around the recruiting world awhile. Kirk likely has been a "silent"...but may have been ready to do the signing day shuffle...of course he didnt/wouldnt divulge this to Ice who is a um guy...an likely would of talk down to him etc..

Which is why Barrow put him on blasts...and drew the line in the sand. pulled his card n he went with the " your in the top 3".

I'm guessing COLEY came with the inside info that dude was a silent to fsu.

ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS...i dont think its money or GRADES. Coach Ice requires atleast a 2.5 to PLAY. His kids usually always qualify...add to it it was part of his job at UM.
Kirk is mad cuz he doesnt have his moment anymore....um took their hat off the table...i predict FSU on him.
BUT ..I STILL THINK WE F*CKED UP...Ice is legit, his team is legit, connections and we just let Manny play us out for the whole county to see which is what his fsu *** wanted anyway...they TRASHED our staff and its a dude with weight in the county sayin it...questioning our "loyalty"...not the first we pulled it though....

they f*cked up with Amari Cooper too.

That's the most plausible explanation I've read today.

 

[Republicane]

LOL, listen to what you are saying brother. So we should NOT send him an LOI on NSD, and that is how we let him know his ship has sailed? That is about the worst thing a coach could ever do to a recruit. At least this lets the kid know that with dwindling numbers, he may NOT get one if others snatch up the offers first. This is the RIGHT way to treat a kid, by being honest with him, and telling him "look, we are running out of space, we need to know if you are with us, because we cant wait til NSD to know if you are going to ***** us over".

I mean how would THAT look, not sending him an LOI on NSD? Isnt it better to give the kid at least some notice than to pull that on NSD?

But there is room between "We need to know today," and "We might not have an offer for you on Wednesday." that allows for UM to not bathe in this crap geyser of negative publicity. If UM thinks he isn't coming in the first place, I'm not sure how not sending him a LOI on NSD is that much of a **** move. Especially if it is made clear that he has an offer, but there is no guarantee that someone else won't get it Wednesday if he isn't careful.

And like I said, if UM is/was his dream school to the extent people want us to believe, is it worth risking just for some signing day pub? Especially when you can commit Monday and see "Denver Kirkland going to The U!" online and in the newspaper, instead of on Wednesday and end up seeing, "MATTHEW THOMAS STAYS HOME TO PLAY FOR UM!!!!!, (as does the bigger kid sitting next to him, David Kirkman)