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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

CaneinBroward said:
How realistic was it to think USC and UCLA would leave the PAC12 to go to the B1G 3 years ago?

TV execs were able to pull that off and i dont think trimming the fat is not off the table for the next TV contract. It is unlikely, but definitely something for the ADs and Presidents at Indiana, Purdue, and their ilk to have backup plans for in the next 7 years or so.
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Agree, but it’s one caveat w/ The UCLA/USC move to the B1G. U can say the stars aligned, in a way.

There’s a reason y the Big 10 started pushing into other conference’s territories, & changed their logo from BIG 10 to B1G in 2011. They started doing it very subtly, dipping their toe in the Big XII, & then expanding farther East. It was always their plan to become a national brand v. a regional brand.

In comes the PAC-12; the PAC-12 have had rocky leadership since the hiring of former Women’s Tennis CEO, Larry Scott, to become its Commissioner. Larry Scott & John Swafford must’ve had a competition of worst commissioners among P5 conferences. Scott made financial blunder after financial blunder within the conference, I’m talking unnecessary financial blunders. U couple that w/ the PAC-12 having egregiously late games which was of no interest to the rest of America, along w/ every last one of their “top teams” sans 2010 & 2014 (Oregon) chitting the bed, not vying for a BCS/CFP Championship spot, & voila, no interest from big companies.

With The B1G thirsting to become a Nat’l brand, & the soon to be implosion awaiting the PAC-12, USC/UCLA (both in need of financial assistance to keep up &/or get out the red from their AD) were ripe for the picking. Their administration was proactive, b/c it was clear the lack of leadership unveiled itself around 2016-17 via an audit. Holy chit was that a f’ing mess; it was an unexplainable mess, one that was years in the making behind PAC-12 Presidents’ backs. Scott….man, let me not go down that rabbit hole. Anyways, cracks started to form, confidence started to erode, and SC/UCLA as poster children of the conference said F this, & it was perfect timing.
 
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Rickd said:
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I politely tried to explain to you that you are factually wrong. But now you have chosen to double down on wrongness. I'm going give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute this to not understanding the deal rather than being a person who would rather be wrong than admit he made a mistake.

Let me try to explain it another way so that on your own you come to the realization that the belief that espn gets the bulk of the money makes no logical sense.

Under the current deal, let's say FSU gets massive tv ratings and Boston college has zero viewers. Does espn give fsu more money? No. It gets the same as Boston college. Espn gives a fixed amount to the ACC, which distributes it evenly to the ACC teams. This is a fixed annual amount, hence why conferences announce they have signed a tv deal for 53 billion over 15 years. This is the guaranteed tv revenue viewers or no viewers. Doesn't matter if all the teams in the acc are 0-12 and no one is tuning in. Espn pays the same amount.

If FSU leaves, espn isn't going to pay the acc the same amount, so the acc essentially refunds the 1/15 percentage of the tv money that it was going to give fsu back to espn. The math comes out to about 130 million over the remainder of the tv deal. FSU pays that to the ACC as the buyout from the tv deal. The acc then gives that to espn to refund the 1/15 value that came from having fsu in the conference. If Boston college wanted to leave, it's the same amount- 130 million since the number is based on the fixed tv deal and not value to the conference.

The separate issue is that FSU granted media rights to all home games in all sports to the ACC through 2036. Again, that's why it is called the Grant of Rights. The acc valued this as being worth 570 million total. So if FSU goes to the B1G, all the home game money goes to the ACC through 2036. FSU gets to keep the away money in whatever new conference it joins. All the home game money belongs to the ACC, which then distributes it to the remaining acc members.

I don't know how I can break this down any further.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Agree, but it’s one caveat w/ The UCLA/USC move to the B1G. U can say the stars aligned, in a way.

There’s a reason y the Big 10 started pushing into other conference’s territories, & changed their logo from BIG 10 to B1G in 2011. They started doing it very subtly, dipping their toe in the Big XII, & then expanding farther East. It was always their plan to become a national brand v. a regional brand.

In comes the PAC-12; the PAC-12 have had rocky leadership since the hiring of former Women’s Tennis CEO, Larry Scott, to become its Commissioner. Larry Scott & John Swafford must’ve had a competition of worst commissioners among P5 conferences. Scott made financial blunder after financial blunder within the conference, I’m talking unnecessary financial blunders. U couple that w/ the PAC-12 having egregiously late games which was of no interest to the rest of America, along w/ every last one of their “top teams” sans 2010 & 2014 (Oregon) chitting the bed, not vying for a BCS/CFP Championship spot, & voila, no interest from big companies.

With The B1G thirsting to become a Nat’l brand, & the soon to be implosion awaiting the PAC-12, USC/UCLA (both in need of financial assistance to keep up &/or get out the red from their AD) were ripe for the picking. Their administration was proactive, b/c it was clear the lack of leadership unveiled itself around 2016-17 via an audit. Holy chit was that a f’ing mess; it was an unexplainable mess, one that was years in the making behind PAC-12 Presidents’ backs. Scott….man, let me not go down that rabbit hole. Anyways, cracks started to form, confidence started to erode, and SC/UCLA as poster children of the conference said F this, & it was perfect timing.
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I agree they have decided to become a national conference. I'm just saying I think they got there with input from the TV execs about the $$ available. To me, the Nebraska expansion was to get to 12 for the conference championship game. They fit the geographical footprint and if I remember correctly it was between them and Missouri, but Nebraska got the nod. Maryland and Rutgers were to get the NYC and DC markets for more Big 10 Network outlets.

Then 2016, they sign on with Fox as their main TV partner. I think that's when the master plan to go nationwide began to be hatched. USC & UCLA helped get the $1B number. I just wouldn't be surprised if some of the garbo old school B1G teams get voted out by the others at some point before the next renewal.
 
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I have a hard time thinking Miami will ultimately be left out of the P2 but if we have to wait until 2030 while FSU/ND and then others to the SEC get out sooner, we’ll be at a major disadvantage in terms of resources and perception but the time we actually make it
 
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Rickd said:
I need to apologize to everyone ... I should reword my comment ... "there are most likely as many or more B10 fans in the State of Florida as there are FSU fans ... and the number is growing each year. ie ... a new PUD in Daytona Beach for 10,000 homes ... which is 25,000 people .... on the West side of I95 and CR40 ... and that will be 95% B10 fans moving into the region. **** ...
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Yeah, this dopey "caneinbroward" guy just doesn't get it.

F$U is just...F$U...they are relatively steady in their annual enrollment/graduation numbers. Thus, whatever number of F$U alums you have in the state of Florida will remain relatively constant. F$U alums will die, and more recent F$U alums will replace them. No big deal.

But on the other side...there is MASSIVE movement into the state of Florida from the upper midwest. Thus, whatever the numbers for Michigan alums and Michigan ex-pats "used to be", they are growing. Quickly. While the number of F$U alums is NOT growing. Unless someone is trying to argue that there are ton of F$U alums MOVING INTO Florida.

But that would just be silly.
 
canes518 said:
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I have a hard time thinking Miami will ultimately be left out of the P2 but if we have to wait until 2030 while FSU/ND and then others to the SEC get out sooner, we’ll be at a major disadvantage in terms of resources and perception but the time we actually make it
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I agree, it would have adverse effects on recruiting as well. Miami will have to hang on for 5 years with less support for athletics and continual negative recruiting because we are not a part of the P2.

Our best hope is for ND to remain independent or for FOX, etc to expand sooner rather than wait until 2030 in this scenario.
 
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