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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

1037 pages of chest pounding confidence and our only remaining move may be the Big XII...

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Rickd said:
Have NOT seen or read the specific wording of what you reference. Clemson SO FAR is the only one that has a non redacted copy of the ESPN media agreement. It had been commented a couple of months ago that the ESPN Media Agreement DEFINES the terms of the GOR and states "the media agreement is in force as long as the university is a MEMBER OF THE CONFERENCE" meaning ... you leave the conference and your FUTURE media rights go with you. What remains with ESPN are media rights to past games only. It has been stated that the ACC GOR, by itself, is only a PARTIAL document and it exists SOLELY to support the ESPN media agreement. So .... it COULD BE .... CLEMSON agrees that the GOR is legally binding, however, the GOR as per the ESPN media agreement, only gives ESPN media rights for PAST games and future games only as long as a school is a member of the ACC Conference.
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I'm not saying that all of the things you wrote have, or have not, been stated on some F$U thread or whatever.

But not all of those statements are accurate.

First, the GOR, as a contract, needs to stand on its own. It's a contract between the schools and the conference. The ESPN Media Rights Agreement does not "define" the terms of the GOR, though it can provide context.

Second, this is why each contract needs to be interpreted separately. If things had been done IN THE CORRECT ORDER (and they were not), then schools would agree to the GOR as a FIRST matter, and then once the conference has the rights, the ACC can enter into a contract with ESPN.

Third, I am not sure whether the ORIGINAL deal with ESPN and the ORIGINAL Grant of Rights had identical terms of years. This would seem to be the cleanest way of matching up the two documents (outside of the issue of a school leaving). However, when we signed the EXTENSION to the GOR, it stated a date that was NOT a match with the ESPN TV contract, at least not in the full sense. The "newer" ESPN contract did NOT run through 2036 unless and until ESPN opted in for the remaining years in 2021 (or 2025 with the improper unilateral extension granted by the commissioner).

Fourth, the GOR is not a "partial document". It is a full document, in and of itself, and needs to be interpreted as such. Too many people have commented (on this thread and elsewhere) that the CONSIDERATION for the GOR extension "was the new ACC-ESPN deal". WRONG. That is impermissible. You can't use a separate contract as consideration for another contract. Each contract must stand on its own.

Finally, as for the "legally binding" nonsense, we again have to remind OTHER PEOPLE (F$U fans, Clemson fans, people who think they know what they are talking about, but really don't), that we could AGREE to the binding nature of the ORIGINAL Grant of Rights, while fighting the validity of the EXTENSION of the Grant of Rights. To quote myself just one paragraph ago, each contract must stand on its own.

Apart from all of that, I actually FULLY AGREE with your point on the GOR term being trumped by the Media Rights Agreement terminology. Meaning, again, if things were done in the CORRECT order, you would grant the rights FIRST, but then the eventual TV deal might not necessarily match in the term of years. You don't have to amend the GOR just to do a Media Rights Agreement, though it would be nice to do so.

Or there might be another Media Rights Agreement clause that supercedes and allows the entire Agreement to be terminated. For instance, ESPN-ABC-Disney might file for bankruptcy (see, generally, the Bally regional sports networks). My point is, if there were SOME OTHER REASON why the ESPN contract did not run until 2036, no judge in the land is going to tell 15 (or 18) ACC schools that they don't own their own rights until 2036. That's just insanity.

You are doing a great job of summarizing issues, but don't let those F$U dummies mislead us on the importance of EACH of these contracts STANDING ON ITS OWN.
 
SFbayCane said:
You were wrong when you said this to me ten months ago, and you're wrong now.

Instead of being the guy who marries the hot, rich chick and loses everything in the divorce, and ends up living in a van down by the river, maybe you should marry the ****, chunky girl with the giant tata's who will cook, clean, raise the kids and love you forever for who you are. Okay, offbeat analogy. lol

Seriously though. UM can be a premier program in the Big XII. In the Big Ten, UM is an afterthought; A political outsider, just like in the ACC. I still maintain my position that UM is better off taking nominally less money to be in the Big XII than in the Big Ten.
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I'm not going to question your marital choices.

But the Big 12 is sub-par money, sub-par opponents, sub-par competition, and will result in an ever-widening gap between the Big 2 and the rest of college football.
 
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SFbayCane said:
You were wrong when you said this to me ten months ago, and you're wrong now.

Instead of being the guy who marries the hot, rich chick and loses everything in the divorce, and ends up living in a van down by the river, maybe you should marry the ****, chunky girl with the giant tata's who will cook, clean, raise the kids and love you forever for who you are. Okay, offbeat analogy. lol

Seriously though. UM can be a premier program in the Big XII. In the Big Ten, UM is an afterthought; A political outsider, just like in the ACC. I still maintain my position that UM is better off taking nominally less money to be in the Big XII than in the Big Ten.
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If $60-70 million difference potentially by 2031 is nominal then God bless you man
 
SFbayCane said:
You were wrong when you said this to me ten months ago, and you're wrong now.

Instead of being the guy who marries the hot, rich chick and loses everything in the divorce, and ends up living in a van down by the river, maybe you should marry the ****, chunky girl with the giant tata's who will cook, clean, raise the kids and love you forever for who you are. Okay, offbeat analogy. lol

Seriously though. UM can be a premier program in the Big XII. In the Big Ten, UM is an afterthought; A political outsider, just like in the ACC. I still maintain my position that UM is better off taking nominally less money to be in the Big XII than in the Big Ten.
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Great so now we're still broke living in a van down by the river, but we also have to feed Bertha's fat *** and deal with these screaming kids running around.
 
SFbayCane said:
You were wrong when you said this to me ten months ago, and you're wrong now.

Instead of being the guy who marries the hot, rich chick and loses everything in the divorce, and ends up living in a van down by the river, maybe you should marry the ****, chunky girl with the giant tata's who will cook, clean, raise the kids and love you forever for who you are. Okay, offbeat analogy. lol

Seriously though. UM can be a premier program in the Big XII. In the Big Ten, UM is an afterthought; A political outsider, just like in the ACC. I still maintain my position that UM is better off taking nominally less money to be in the Big XII than in the Big Ten.
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I'd like to explore above further.

In your scenario as described, do you see a path whereby the hot rich chick and **** chunky girl have an extended *** battle in the house?

The winner takes my affection as the prize, but the loser still gets action as my side piece.
 
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SFbayCane said:
You were wrong when you said this to me ten months ago, and you're wrong now.

Instead of being the guy who marries the hot, rich chick and loses everything in the divorce, and ends up living in a van down by the river, maybe you should marry the ****, chunky girl with the giant tata's who will cook, clean, raise the kids and love you forever for who you are. Okay, offbeat analogy. lol

Seriously though. UM can be a premier program in the Big XII. In the Big Ten, UM is an afterthought; A political outsider, just like in the ACC. I still maintain my position that UM is better off taking nominally less money to be in the Big XII than in the Big Ten.
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Angry Ibis said:
1037 pages of chest pounding confidence and our only remaining move may be the Big XII...

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20,045 posts and you still haven't made a single contribution to the discussion of any topic on the board.

Just 20,045 insults of people who know more than you do.
 
Empirical Cane said:
I'd like to explore above further.

In your scenario as described, do you see a path whereby the hot rich chick and **** chunky girl have an extended *** battle in the house?

The winner takes my affection as the prize, but the loser still gets action as my side piece.
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This is getting as complicated as the sexual pairings on The Boys...
 
Empirical Cane said:
I'd like to explore above further.

In your scenario as described, do you see a path whereby the hot rich chick and **** chunky girl have an extended *** battle in the house?

The winner takes my affection as the prize, but the loser still gets action as my side piece.
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Whoa there, big guy. First we need to find out what he means by "chunky." Because there a big difference between thicc and heifer.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
I'm not going to question your marital choices.

But the Big 12 is sub-par money, sub-par opponents, sub-par competition, and will result in an ever-widening gap between the Big 2 and the rest of college football.
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UCF has a national title more recently than UM. How the **** can they be considered subpar competition?
 
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Empirical Cane said:
I'd like to explore above further.

In your scenario as described, do you see a path whereby the hot rich chick and **** chunky girl have an extended *** battle in the house?

The winner takes my affection as the prize, but the loser still gets action as my side piece.
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Yes. This is exactly how the hot, rich chick convinces you to cheat on her before taking you to the cleaners.

It's like joining the Big Ten so you dont have to make westward road trips then getting put in a division with USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington. Be careful what you wish for.
 
SFbayCane said:
Yes. This is exactly how the hot, rich chick convinces you to cheat on her before taking you to the cleaners.

It's like joining the Big Ten so you dont have to make westward road trips then getting put in a division with USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington. Be careful what you wish for.
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Oh no.

Both chicks are totally cool with this arraingment.

I'm not losing money here.

Don't ruin it for me! This is why everyone hates you.
 
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