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[pyhooya]

Again, another lazy, uninformed post. Do research, look at field position, check yardage comparisons to other opponents.

Here we go with its all the Offense fault. Was it the Os fault when gave up 333 rushing yards against Wisky. what about BC....what about Wisky last year

 

[Ethnicsands]

296 total yards (140 passing) and 3-16 on third downs. they crushed us with the pick 6 and that 50 yard touchdown. poor field position obviously doomed us.

Haha you guys are hilarious. We sure stopped them boy-eeeee. We shoved their wallet where the sun don’t shine. Yeah!

 

[pyhooya]

i did not think that. im giving factual data that is adjusted for schedule and garbage time and your retorts are nothing to counter. you gave the LSU game and numbers show, you were wrong there.

Facts are we play against shlt competition.. Adjusted for schedule/garbage time.....If you thinks numbers are facts you are blind or have your orange/green glasses on. I get it...you are used to the last 15 years of being mediocre.

 

[hoops156]

Facts are we play against shlt competition.. Adjusted for schedule/garbage time.....If you thinks numbers are facts you are blind or have your orange/green glasses on. I get it...you are used to the last 15 years of being mediocre.

should we just take your opinion as facts then?

 

[pyhooya]

296 total yards (140 passing) and 3-16 on third downs. they crushed us with the pick 6 and that 50 yard touchdown. poor field position obviously doomed us.

So whats your excuse for both Wisky games(had a month to prepare) BC...**** both Toledo games. How you give up 333 rushing yards to a team with a backup QB

 

[DMoney]

But together they are at best recruiting no better than Williams. That’s not acceptable.

When Banda and Rumph got here, we had three 4-star DBs on the roster.

Now we have eight.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Here we go with its all the Offense fault. Was it the Os fault when gave up 333 rushing yards against Wisky. what about BC....what about Wisky last year

You’re confused. You have the discussion backwards. The people saying the offense sucked are pointing out that our defensiv stats were aided by having a ****** offense. Other teams werent trailing us by much, didnt have to pass, and when they had leads, could just play conservative and eat clock. We also played a generally crappy set of offenses. In our two biggest non-rival games, we got fisted by LSU and Wisconsin, neither of which had amazing years.

Our D was solid. Willis had an amazing season, and our Ends were good. Our DBs were very solid also. But contending the D was so great we shouldnt worry about D recruiting, nope, sorry.

 

[pyhooya]

should we just take your opinion as facts then?

Nope its my opinion....just like you have yours. Point is you can be happy with Plan B/C guys and hopefully winning Coarstal. Then get destroyed by Clemson in ACC and getting killed in mid tier bowl games.

 

[pyhooya]

You’re confused. You have the discussion backwards. The people saying the offense sucked are pointing out that our defensiv stats were aided by having a ****** offense. Other teams werent trailing us by much, didnt have to pass, and when they had leads, could just play conservative and eat clock. We also played a generally crappy set of offenses. In our two biggest non-rival games, we got fisted by LSU and Wisconsin, neither of which had amazing years.

Our D was solid. Willis had an amazing season, and our Ends were good. Our DBs were very solid also. But contending the D was so great we shouldnt worry about D recruiting, nope, sorry.

I dont have it backwards....our O sucked a$$ but our D wasnt as good as everyone thinks. You left out BC walking up and down the field too. D is alot better than what we were used to under Donifrio. But if anyone thinks the D is championship caliber......just blinded by orange/green glasses

 

[Ethnicsands]

When Banda and Rumph got here, we had three 4-star DBs on the roster.

Now we have eight.

A bit of selection bias. We were on the cupboard was empty argument. It wasn’t. Jacquan was a 3*. Are you contending he counts as an empty seat in the cupboard?

If we’re just discussing recruiting abilities generally, then you also have to credit the prior staph for 5* Tracy Howard and 4*s Burns and Bush.

Point is, we aren’t clearly better at all than Williams was, and Williams was not a good enough coach for us to be comparing things to. And Williams was one guy. We now have TWO guys at the spot. Neither of whom is an ace recruiter.

Let’s say it’s a tie between them and Williams as recruiting goes. Neither of our current guys has recruited a 5*, and it’s far from clear they’ve recruited anyone better than Bush, Burns, M. Jackson or Jaquan. But let’s hope they have. Should we settle for this or expect more out of two coaching spots allocated to DB?

 

[DMoney]

Should we settle for this or expect more out of two coaching spots allocated to DB?

They coach better than expected and recruit worse than expected. The result has been very good DB play and steadily improving talent.

It's silly to call for them to be replaced when the DBs are playing at a Top 10 level. If DB play falls off, we can revisit the conversation.

 

[Twhizman]

Guess you people complaining about Banda and Rumph want to go back to coach No D's defense.to go from one of the worst defense's when they were hired 3 years ago to a top rated defense.plus have 2 safeties in the nfl with 2 more on the way.there's not a coach out there who wouldn't love to have a resume like that.peop!e calling these coaches a joke are a joke themselves.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Here we go with its all the Offense fault. Was it the Os fault when gave up 333 rushing yards against Wisky. what about BC....what about Wisky last year

More lazy analysis.

Did you even watch the Wisconsin game?? Of course it was the offense’s fault.

That game was 14-3 at half when it should have been 28 or 30-3. By the second half when we’d turned it over for the FIFTH time, everyone on that team packed it in.

You are just cherry picking “bad” games defensively and ignoring the dozens of games they carried us.

No team stops every opponent. You’re just regurging uninformed nonsense.

 

[jakeman1]

Until Miami wins, they're going to lose kids they shouldn't. Until Miami evens the pay-to-play field, they'll lose kids they shouldn't. Alabama lost the best receiver in Alabama last year, to Clemson, so it even happens to the best teams. Miss St is in the SEC. They do the bags as much as anyone, but they compete against Alabama, LSU, Georgia, etc., so the playing field is even from that standpoint most of the time, unless there's an outlier, like Ole Miss a few years ago, basically broadcasting that they were cheating by getting all those 5-star kids out of no where. It's not an excuse, just the reason, along with the actual recruiting skills differences, that go into the decisions these kids make, but until something's done about it, the recruiting losses will continue to happen and they'll keep poaching the top kids out of South Florida.

I do think Miami has improved the recruiting with some of the coaches. Diaz at the top gives the program a new energy, but he's come in late in the cycle, so it will take a while to get traction. The offensive hires with Fields especially, seem to be better recruiters, but Simpson seems like he might be fairly decent. I think the new DC was a fairly good recruiter too. I have no idea about Patke.

 

[Dwinstitles]

the worst day of the year for us every year, expected to me

 

[Ethnicsands]

When Banda and Rumph got here, we had three 4-star DBs on the roster.

Now we have eight.

Also, you’re comparing apples to oranges here. According to Rivals, which is my go to reference for these discussions for better or worse, Golden’s last season, he had 5 4* DBs on the roster (Bush, Howard, Burns, Elder and Jackson), and that didn’t include Jaquan, Rayshawn or J. Carter, who were 3* kids. (Also didn’t include 4* AJL, who apparently signed per Rivals but never enrolled.) That is a deep roster of DBs.

Best I can tell, here is what Richt ran with in ‘18 and what Manny will have in ‘19:

‘18: Richt had 6 4* kids, one of whom he inherited (MJ, Blades, Hall, Bandy, Frierson and Finley). (And that counts finley as a DB, though the striker spot wasn’t a position on the prior staff defense.) Four of them were true frosh, moreover, and Bandy bad to beg our staff to take him.) But Richt’s starters included Golden’s 3* kids Jaquan and Redwine. In fact, 3 of Richt’s 4 starters at DB in his last season were Golden recruits. So saying Richt recruited DB well sounds odd. Either Golden recruited it better or maybe seniority won out for recruits who weren’t very different in abilities.

‘19: lose 3 starters, including 1 4* kid, and add 1 4* recruit (K. Smith) and 1 3* kid (Couch).

Now where Golden went astray was he wasted a ton of spots on awful DBs he should never have taken. Hope, V. Davis, Dortch and Gayot. I was vocal about that topic back when. Richt did not do any better, however, by failing to even fill the roster after sanctions ended.

The bottom line is Golden’s last year had a deep and talented DB group, and Richt inherited a solid cupboard. Richt’s last year had a comparable list on paper of talent, but the guys you’re pointing to were true frosh and ain’t proven anything yet, and Richt played mostly Golden’s kids.

We should do better in recruiting DBs.

 

[DMoney]

Also, you’re comparing apples to oranges here.

When it comes to recruiting, I always use 247 composite. That combines all the rankings.

Richt inherited only three 4* DBs from Golden. Two were seniors. That's why he had to bring in Colbert and Delaney. Golden's DB recruiting was catastrophic at the end.

 

[Ethnicsands]

They coach better than expected and recruit worse than expected. The result has been very good DB play and steadily improving talent.

Agree they recruit worse than expected. Do not agree talent is improving. Have shown that they inherited very good talent.

It's silly to call for them to be replaced when the DBs are playing at a Top 10 level. If DB play falls off, we can revisit the conversation.

If we wait until we discover the consequences of bad trends, we will be right where we have been for the past 15 years. There was a good article on Manny recently quoting one of the UM staff guys (Doherty iirc) saying the thing that stands out about Manny is he gets ahead of things before there are bad trends. Hence the transfer market this cycle. Hence Bolden.

Hopefully Manny is paying attention.

My point is that at a minimum, we need better recruiting from one of these two spots if we are going to allocate two assistant spots to DB coaching.

 

[tyrn]

His first safety duo was Rayshawn Jenkins and Jamal Carter. Both were headed to the CFL. Now they are in the NFL.

His second safety duo was Jaquan Johnson and Sheldrick Redwine. Quan was a good player who became an All-American. Redwine was a JAG corner who became an NFL safety.

That’s his track record so far.

But can he recruit?????

 

[Hegemon]

Also, you’re comparing apples to oranges here. According to Rivals, which is my go to reference for these discussions for better or worse, Golden’s last season, he had 5 4* DBs on the roster (Bush, Howard, Burns, Elder and Jackson), and that didn’t include Jaquan, Rayshawn or J. Carter, who were 3* kids. (Also didn’t include 4* AJL, who apparently signed per Rivals but never enrolled.) That is a deep roster of DBs.

Best I can tell, here is what Richt ran with in ‘18 and what Manny will have in ‘19:

‘18: Richt had 6 4* kids, one of whom he inherited (MJ, Blades, Hall, Bandy, Frierson and Finley). (And that counts finley as a DB, though the striker spot wasn’t a position on the prior staff defense.) Four of them were true frosh, moreover, and Bandy bad to beg our staff to take him.) But Richt’s starters included Golden’s 3* kids Jaquan and Redwine. In fact, 3 of Richt’s 4 starters at DB in his last season were Golden recruits. So saying Richt recruited DB well sounds odd. Either Golden recruited it better or maybe seniority won out for recruits who weren’t very different in abilities.

‘19: lose 3 starters, including 1 4* kid, and add 1 4* recruit (K. Smith) and 1 3* kid (Couch).

Now where Golden went astray was he wasted a ton of spots on awful DBs he should never have taken. Hope, V. Davis, Dortch and Gayot. I was vocal about that topic back when. Richt did not do any better, however, by failing to even fill the roster after sanctions ended.

The bottom line is Golden’s last year had a deep and talented DB group, and Richt inherited a solid cupboard. Richt’s last year had a comparable list on paper of talent, but the guys you’re pointing to were true frosh and ain’t proven anything yet, and Richt played mostly Golden’s kids.

We should do better in recruiting DBs.

247 aggregates the star rankings from all sites. Rivals is Gary Ferman.

RIP to your metrics based on that alone.