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DMoney said:
When it comes to recruiting, I always use 247 composite. That combines all the rankings.

Richt inherited only three 4* DBs from Golden. Two were seniors. That's why he had to bring in Colbert and Delaney. Golden's DB recruiting was catastrophic at the end.
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I am not going to go back and redo the review. I laid out the guys above. Richt inherited a deep and talented group, and I know that for sure because in Richt’s own year 3, he was still playing Golden’s guys at 3 of the 4 starting DB spots.

You are also switching between stars then talent here. Jaquan was a 3. Was he less talented than Blades, who was a 4?

From a talent perspective, Richt inherited talent and kept playing those guys.

From a recruiting perspective, Richt brought in 1-2 4* DBs over his first two cycles (Bandy and Finley, depending on how you view Striker here). Richt brought in 3 4* DBs in ‘18, in the best year in ages for DBs in So Fla. he also missed on his top 3 local DB targets that cycle.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Agree they recruit worse than expected. Do not agree talent is improving. Have shown that they inherited very good talent.


If we wait until we discover the consequences of bad trends, we will be right where we have been for the past 15 years. There was a good article on Manny recently quoting one of the UM staff guys (Doherty iirc) saying the thing that stands out about Manny is he gets ahead of things before there are bad trends. Hence the transfer market this cycle. Hence Bolden.

Hopefully Manny is paying attention.

My point is that at a minimum, we need better recruiting from one of these two spots if we are going to allocate two assistant spots to DB coaching.
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DMoney said:
His first safety duo was Rayshawn Jenkins and Jamal Carter. Both were headed to the CFL. Now they are in the NFL.

His second safety duo was Jaquan Johnson and Sheldrick Redwine. Quan was a good player who became an All-American. Redwine was a JAG corner who became an NFL safety.

That’s his track record so far.
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Just close the thread with this post. People on here crying about Banda and splitting hairs about recruiting rankings needs to look at the results, not the stars and just be quiet already.
 
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DMoney said:
The Golden staff recruited DB well at first but then fell off a cliff. And that's ignoring the lack of development once they got here. We put up a goose egg in 2014 and totally botched 2015. Paul Williams let guys like Fenton leave and ignored Redwine until the end. It was the same thing as the end of the Shannon era. We left the cupboards bare for the new guys.

Banda got here and turned Jamal Carter and Rayshawn Jenkins from washouts into NFL players. Rumph took someone else's trash (Colbert) and made him into an NFL player. Corn Elder took a massive leap. The next year, they turned Redwine and Jackson from afterthoughts into NFL players.

That's their track record. We focus on the misses instead of the fact that we have a highly recruited group of DBs on campus and coaches who can develop them.
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Nope nope nope.....Panda recruits and Rumph teaches per anybody with a CIS login
 
It’s easy to say Quan was gonna be good regardless but there are plenty of 4* kids that don’t do schit in college and don’t make it to the league. Not defending their recruiting but that argument is weak.
 
Hegemon said:
I was being facetious....lol...come on now...

Having said that 247 is the best metric and it really is not a debate.
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Is it not a debate? Honest question. Has anyone done the analysis of correlating rankings to future outcomes and comapring the for the services?
 
Canes Stan said:
It’s easy to say Quan was gonna be good regardless but there are plenty of 4* kids that don’t do schit in college and don’t make it to the league. Not defending their recruiting but that argument is weak.
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Go Canes!! said:
Just close the thread with this post. People on here crying about Banda and splitting hairs about recruiting rankings needs to look at the results, not the stars and just be quiet already.
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So did golden do well to recruit three star kids like jaquan, redwine, carter, jenkins? Are those the kind of results you’re talking about?
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Fans who want the program to be better than it has been the past 15 years.

That pass defense was led by Jaquan, Jackson and Redwine, moreover. All Golden recruits.
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So you just going to ignore trajan bandy who it can be argued was tied for 1st place back their with redwine. Obviously this staff didnt bring those 3 in but you know as well as those who know football, none of the secondaries under the moron regime have ever played up to the level that these players played under coach richt or the secondaries under coach shannon.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
So did golden do well to recruit three star kids like jaquan, redwine, carter, jenkins? Are those the kind of results you’re talking about?
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I’m not sure what that has to do with what I said. I’m only stating that hindsight is 20/20 and it’s easy to say who was gonna be good after the fact.
 
Ethnicsands said:
So did golden do well to recruit three star kids like jaquan, redwine, carter, jenkins? Are those the kind of results you’re talking about?
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This thread has fire Banda in the title. I could care less how many stars a kid has before he gets here, especially when the entire system is so subjective and driven by subscriber numbers.

I do care about what they do when the get on the field and all Banda and Rumph have done is roll out ballers every Saturday since they got here.

You can split hairs about whether a kid is a 3, 4 or 5 Star all day long and it serves zero purpose.

Nothing is as important as seeing the way guys like Corn, Bandy, Redwine, Colbert and Jaquan have blown up by busting their asses and being coached extremely well.

To me the on field product make fire Banda and Rumph crowd sound ridiculous.
 
Go Canes!! said:
More lazy analysis.

Did you even watch the Wisconsin game?? Of course it was the offense’s fault.

That game was 14-3 at half when it should have been 28 or 30-3. By the second half when we’d turned it over for the FIFTH time, everyone on that team packed it in.

You are just cherry picking “bad” games defensively and ignoring the dozens of games they carried us.

No team stops every opponent. You’re just regurging uninformed nonsense.
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Cherry picking the games where we actually played a team with a half decent offense.....I am not saying the D sucked but its not all that either. What about the BC game. What about the year before against Wisky when the O game the D a 14-3 lead. The O didnt give up 333 rushing yards.
 
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