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hoops156 said:
Pat Jr was a higher rated recruit than Tracy and went to a team that has won (3 more titles or so) since 2011. Also, Tyson was ranked far higher than Deon as a recruit. HE went to the team that recently played for a title (he went the year they played for one). in fact tyson and pat are both ranked higher than tracy as recruits
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LMAOOOOOO.

Your argument is ridiculous, and revealing. Excuse mongers start lying when they run out of excuses. Tracy Howard was rated the No. 1 CB in the country by Rivals, No. 1 player in FL, No. 13 nationally and a 6.1 rating. Surtain was also a 6.1, and No.1 CB. He was No. 8 nationally, but only No. 2 in FL. Essentially identical. Campbell, btw., was absolutely not rated higher than Howard. Campbell was also a 6.1, but just the No. 4 national CB, No. 8 kid in FL and 25 nationally.
 
hoops156 said:
his offer list left a lot to be desired.
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That my point. Y’all ain’t want him the get go. Thought guys like rashad Fenton and Carlton Davis were huge misses. Mike Jackson proved to be better than both under rumph and co
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Newest excuse! Well done!
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That isn't an excuse man. I'm no fan of the staff unless they prove me wrong. I'm telling you how I see it. Miami plays in the God awful Coastal Division, in a basketball first conference. It doesn't surprise me that kids would bolt to MISS ST over Miami when you take that into account.

For some reason you guys think that plays little, or no part, in kids decision making.
 
Ethnicsands said:
LMAOOOOOO.

Your argument is ridiculous, and revealing. Excuse mongers start lying when they run out of excuses. Tracy Howard was rated the No. 1 CB in the country by Rivals, No. 1 player in FL, No. 13 nationally and a 6.1 rating. Surtain was also a 6.1, and No.1 CB. He was No. 8 nationally, but only No. 2 in FL. Essentially identical. Campbell, btw., was absolutely not rated higher than Howard. Campbell was also a 6.1, but just the No. 4 national CB, No. 8 kid in FL and 25 nationally.
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who's making **** up now?
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Ethnicsands said:
LMAOOOOOO.

Your argument is ridiculous, and revealing. Excuse mongers start lying when they run out of excuses. Tracy Howard was rated the No. 1 CB in the country by Rivals, No. 1 player in FL, No. 13 nationally and a 6.1 rating. Surtain was also a 6.1, and No.1 CB. He was No. 8 nationally, but only No. 2 in FL. Essentially identical. Campbell, btw., was absolutely not rated higher than Howard. Campbell was also a 6.1, but just the No. 4 national CB, No. 8 kid in FL and 25 nationally.
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Who gives a chit about rankings. Tracy Howard was waay overrated. Surtain and Campbell are better waaay better
 
DMoney said:
The Golden staff recruited DB well at first but then fell off a cliff. And that's ignoring the lack of development once they got here. We put up a goose egg in 2014 and totally botched 2015. Paul Williams let guys like Fenton leave and ignored Redwine until the end. It was the same thing as the end of the Shannon era. We left the cupboards bare for the new guys.

Banda got here and turned Jamal Carter and Rayshawn Jenkins from washouts into NFL players. Rumph took someone else's trash (Colbert) and made him into an NFL player. Corn Elder took a massive leap. The next year, they turned Redwine and Jackson from afterthoughts into NFL players.

That's their track record. We focus on the misses instead of the fact that we have a highly recruited group of DBs on campus and coaches who can develop them.
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How can you say they left the cupboard empty when the cupboard they left included Corn Elder, Tracy Howard, Artie Burns, Jaquan, Redwine, Jenkins, Carter and Michael Jackson?

Yes, Golden sucked. No one has accused me of liking him. His DB corch sucked, too. And still they left us a ton of talent. That’s not a defense of them. It’s just a fact.

The bottom line is that we cannot afford to have TWO staff positions allocated to DB and have NEITHER of them be an ace recruiter. That’s crazy. One of these guys needs to be an ace recruiter, or someone needs to go.
 
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305to954 said:
I’m impulsive??!!..no y’all are the definition of impulsive. Y’all want to fire a coach for a 17 yr old kid choosing to go to another school. A school who if were being honest most kids or NCAA pundits will say is on more stable footing as far as competing nationally. Didn’t “miss”. Surtain chose bama. Campbell chose UGA. Stevenson chose UGA. Battle chose bama..yet we’ve yet a top notch secondary the last 2 years. Turned Jroc and Jenkins into pro prospects in a year. Turned quan into a AA. Turned redwine into a all acc safety. And will do the same with the young talent currently on the roster
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In that case, we agree. I said it was premature. I thought you were disagreeing.
 
Ethnicsands said:
The job of a college assistant includes more than onfield coaching, and there are other people who can both coach and recruit. Whats really shameful is that we have TWO assistamt spots allocated to DB, amd NEITHER can recruit. Pathetic. It’s literally half our defensive assistants and they suck at recruiting, and its the one position we should have our best recruiter at because it is the biggest so fla local strength to leverage.
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The 2018 class of DB’s was four 4-star players. JJ was a blue chip prospect but Carter and Redwine weren’t.

Recruiting hasn’t fallen off from Golden in the defensive backfield. You’re knocking the staff for maximizing what they had.
 
Alien said:
Who gives a chit about rankings. Tracy Howard was waay overrated. Surtain and Campbell are better waaay better
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Sometimes rankings matter to discussions on recruiting. Howard was an important recruit and we got him. When eeryone else wanted him. He was the frickin No.1 cb in the cou;try. Campbell amd Surtain were important recruits also. We did not get them. Now do you understand?
 
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***-e-skr said:
That isn't an excuse man. I'm no fan of the staff unless they prove me wrong. I'm telling you how I see it. Miami plays in the God awful Coastal Division, in a basketball first conference. It doesn't surprise me that kids would bolt to MISS ST over Miami when you take that into account.

For some reason you guys think that plays little, or no part, in kids decision making.
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Man, that’s the most depressing excuse I’ve ever heard around here. You’ve truly given up.
 
FyreHam said:
The 2018 class of DB’s was four 4-star players. JJ was a blue chip prospect but Carter and Redwine weren’t.

Recruiting hasn’t fallen off from Golden in the defensive backfield. You’re knocking the staff for maximizing what they had.
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So if we agreed that our current guys are just at a level with the golden crew, would you say that we should be content with that?
 
Ethnicsands said:
How can you say they left the cupboard empty when the cupboard they left included Corn Elder, Tracy Howard, Artie Burns, Jaquan, Redwine, Jenkins, Carter and Michael Jackson?
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Rumph never coached Howard and Burns. We had to bring in Colbert and Delaney as grad transfers because we had no depth. The 2014 DB class was a total loss and the 2015 class was mismanaged beyond belief.

Me, @Coach Macho, @gogeta4 and plenty others were killing Golden and Williams for their approach to DB recruiting.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
So if we agreed that our current guys are just at a level with the golden crew, would you say that we should be content with that?
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You should be content with arguably the best performance of any defensive backfield in the country last season and expect it to continue with no recruiting fall off. Yes.

If you want it to go from very good recruiting to elite OSU and Alabama DB recruiting than that’s fine, but you don’t fire guys who are getting it done on the field and producing relatively good recruiting results.

Either that or be mad at the administration for not going out and paying for the best.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Sometimes rankings matter to discussions on recruiting. Howard was an important recruit and we got him. When eeryone else wanted him. He was the frickin No.1 cb in the cou;try. Campbell amd Surtain were important recruits also. We did not get them. Now do you understand?
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Rankings are for puzzys
 
FyreHam said:
They had a great DB class in 2018, but missed some big notable targets that made the optics bad. And didn’t impress this cycle.

It’s still premature to want to fire guys who coach one of the best defensive backfields in the country.
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One of the best defensive backfields??? Here come the #1 pass defense in the nation slurpers.... The backfield was good but its easy to pad your stats when you play a JV schedule. Did Miami even play a top 50 offense? No need for the other teams to pass when they can run at will. GT QB averaged 25 yards a completion(haha).

These guys need to start hitting on top targets not plan B/C kids
 
DMoney said:
Rumph never coached Howard and Burns. We had to bring in Colbert and Delaney as grad transfers because we had no depth. The 2014 DB class was a total loss and the 2015 class was mismanaged beyond belief.

Me, @Coach Macho, @gogeta4 and plenty others were killing Golden and Williams for their approach to DB recruiting.
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I will confidently put myself in any group of vocal golden critics from his second season onward. Few miami fans were any earlier in writing him off.

That said, even if you take out howard and burns, your group that golden left for rumph includes Corn Elder, Jaquan, Redwine, Jenkins, Carter and Michael Jackson. That is hardly an empty cupboard.
 
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