Broaden Recruiting Scope

[Captain Uberpants]

You have to look at today’s culture. These SF kids get recruited from optimist through HS. They change high schools like most change underwear.

On top of that, you throw in a mediocre Miami that recruits like they are Bama (under Richt) and plays a boring style of play and kids look elsewhere. Throw in handlers and parents acting as pimps and you have a mass exodus.

Easy solution is to win and most will come but we’ll never survive without going OOS. Diaz needs to identify the bag chasers early and find Plan Bs.

 

[Zbrod95]

No my bad, you're just going back and editing every reply to the point where it's not even similar to what u had said initially. U do know that it marks a reply as "edited" for everyone to see after u go back in and edit it, right? LMAO

Did we not have our best recruiting class in a decade the year we had 10 wins? ...I'll wait. Yes, multiple 10+ win seasons will change something and 2017 is the proof.

Us going OOS to get a couple kids is something Miami has always done so you're not saying anything new. We are not going to consistently steal away kids from UGA, OSU, PSU, USC. Those schools have recruited better than us for years.

Don’t get mad that you got bodied dog. Every time I edited, I added, not deleted.

Stop bringing up the recruiting ranking. Every year it’s the same problems and issues and it makes those rankings irrelevant.

 

[NicKane]

N.Y. and New Jersey aren't exactly hot beds for talent, unless you want your program to resemble Rutgers. I would recruit the **** out of the midwest for OL and recruit Georgia, Texas, Louisiana and Florida for playmakers, also try to keep that pipeline open to Bishop Gorman. I am disappointed with the S. Florida kids hauling *** though.

You need to rethink your Jersey comment on this one. That state is a hotbed for football talent that’s going to schools all over the country. Look at the ESPN 300 every year and it’s loaded with jersey kids. And come on with the Rutgers thing, those top kids don’t go to that BS school. Shoot John Bosco high school could whip that sorry *** team. And NY is the most underrated place in the country for football players because most people think they only care about basketball up there. Further more there is little to no competition for them as Rutgers/Syracuse are a joke and the only real comp is PSU. And we just won a battle with them for a kid they really wanted, along with OSU and Bama. So NY and NJ deserve a little respect if you truly know anything about high school ball.

 

[canes614]

been saying we need to go after kids from everywhere...the staff should have a few individuals looking around the US to find players that fit...for some reason they don't know how to look at recruiting services or camps "early" enough to find OS kids before they completely blow up..they don't offer some local kids before they blow up...you gotta be on kids early from all over to broaden the scope...can't wait til the wheels are about to fall off to offer..usually smaller schools offer kids first...a good way to find kids early is to play big bank take lil bank....seems like all winning programs are doing it to us..they have the luxury to wait on average p5 schools to offer first.... we're not good enough to do that right now ...it should be easy to recruit sfla kids right around the corner...shouldn't need a kid to visit 5-6 times to know if they want to be canes...smh.

This Bogle situation reminds me of Juedy, Campbell, Surtain etc...at least we got them on campus got old real quick...lol this staff shouldn't kiss a local kids *** that doesn't commit after 1-2 visits... all they need to do is get with them when they make their rounds at each school and call or text often....that's it....time and resources should be spent on other parts of FLA and OOS.....

 

[twes.305]

As long as many dowsn't make the same mistake like coker and find a happy medium then we will be good. For example, we will probably get 2 RBs this class, one should be tirek murphy and the other a good SFLA back. Like u get that one player from a different area than SFLA at a position, one Dt from NY or one CB from DC, but majority of that position recruiting should be SFLA.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Ok Luke. How about you stop pushing our kids to other schools and treating the team you “root” for as a joke?

Maybe then we won’t suck...

Until then I’ll be in Jacksonville finding me Lo’s, Shaq’s, Romeo’s, and Mikes, in Nevada finding Brevin, in North Carolina finding Braxton, New Jersey finding David Njoku, and Georgia finding Deejay.

Maybe I’ll stop by Michael J Krop. And find Randall St. Felix instead of Mark Pope.

LOL...exactly which kids has Luke steered to other schools?

And no Freeman & Cooper don't count, UM didn't want em'.

Most of the kids Luke has helped get into school were Group Of 5 type kids, & Edison isn't exactly a football factory.

LOL...Rumph completely whiffed on the AH4 but Luke's the problem...unreal.

 

[Zbrod95]

As long as many dowsn't make the same mistake like coker and find a happy medium then we will be good. For example, we will probably get 2 RBs this class, one should be tirek murphy and the other a good SFLA back. Like u get that one player from a different area than SFLA at a position, one Dt from NY or one CB from DC, but majority of that position recruiting should be SFLA.

This is what I’m talking about (not picking on you, just trying to point something out) Bowman and Chaney aren’t coming here and they already said We need to go get Henry Parrish who is 170 soaking wet and runs a lasered 4.66 over Lamy constant (one of the 4* NY RBs) who runs a 4.27 shuttle at 5’11 200 and Tirek Murphy. They’re even saying he’s as good as Chaney...like c’mon bro.

 

[Zbrod95]

LOL...exactly which kids has Luke steered to other schools?

And no Freeman & Cooper don't count, UM didn't want em'.

Most of the kids Luke has helped get into school were Group Of 5 type kids, & Edison isn't exactly a football factory.

LOL...Rumph completely whiffed on the AH4 but Luke's the problem...unreal.

How much do you want to bet Amari Daniels goes to any other school but UM?

UM didn’t want Amari Cooper...my lord! Like I’m supposed to believe that.

 

[wushah]

It has to start with great leadership at the top, Frenk and Blake James. There has to be a real commitment to Miami football. It needs to be a major priority. The best programs have this commitment.

Then you have to find the right coach. We’ve missed badly 4x in a row mostly because we went away from hiring guys who were changing the cfb landscape to hiring duds. I like Manny. He seems to get the culture part of it. I think he’s a good coach too. Time will tell. He’s got to prove it.

Ultimately, you need coaches who truly understand their system though, can evaluate talent who fit their system, and can spot bag chasers from a mile away. You don’t need all 5* guys to win. The talent disparity between many 3 and 5* guys isn’t as deep as some believe it to be.

We’d be foolish to give up our local recruiting advantage, but it’s also become abundantly clear that we need to win. Simply hiring good recruiters helps for a cycle, maybe 2, but those coaches often fail over time. We need some real Xs and Os guys on the staff, generate some winning consistency, and prove to the local kids that they can win here, be coached up, and have a chance to make it to the league.

 

[Ethnicsands]

This thread is insane. Save it in classics. Guys arguing the UM staff should spend its resources recruiting Colorado??? You cant make this isht up. Wow.

You all are way too butt hurt over local kids going elsewhere. Way to cokerized to realize the staff and product on the field deserves most of the blame.

You guys sound like a guy who got shot down tryna pick up girls so he decided it’d be easier to be ghey.

 

[twes.305]

This is what I’m talking about (not picking on you, just trying to point something out) Bowman and Chaney aren’t coming here and they already said We need to go get Henry Parrish who is 170 soaking wet and runs a lasered 4.66 over Lamy constant (one of the 4* NY RBs) who runs a 4.27 shuttle at 5’11 200 and Tirek Murphy. They’re even saying he’s as good as Chaney...like c’mon bro.

How bout u let Manny recruit before u say kids aren't coming here, 2020 recruiting has pretty much just started and ur already being negative. I don't think you understand that recruiting is a strategy and history repeats itself, if Manny pulls another Coker trying to recruit everywhere else but SFLA we will just continue the cycle of mediocrity.

 

[Zbrod95]

This thread is insane. Save it in classics. Guys arguing the UM staff should spend its resources recruiting Colorado??? You cant make this isht up. Wow.

You all are way too butt hurt over local kids going elsewhere. Way to cokerized to realize the staff and product on the field deserves most of the blame.

You guys sound like a guy who got shot down tryna pick up girls so he decided it’d be easier to be ghey.

Manny says you don’t know ****. He already offered the two best players from that state last week.

 

[Zbrod95]

How bout u let Manny recruit before u say kids aren't coming here, 2020 recruiting has pretty much just started and ur already being negative. I don't think you understand that recruiting is a strategy and history repeats itself, if Manny pulls another Coker trying to recruit everywhere else but SFLA we will just continue the cycle of mediocrity.

Ask @Sigma_Cane_7...we’re not getting Chaney. Rinse repeat Rinse repeat.

 

[twes.305]

Ask @Sigma_Cane_7...we’re not getting Chaney. Rinse repeat Rinse repeat.

well, I'm just gonna let Manny recruit and see how the season goes before I make a prediction. These are kids, their minds can change pretty easily.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Manny says you don’t know ****. He already offered the two best players from that state last week.

If you confuse sending out offers a year in advance with spending real resources recruiting far flung areas, then maybe you’re just unclear on how recruiting works. Schools send out hundreds of offers. No one is saying offer solely local kids. That's stupid. On the other hand, you’re suggesting we should give up on top local kids, which is also stupid. It’s fine to semd out offers near and far. But resources are limited, time is limited, eval access isn’t the same for a local kid or a far away kid. So two things need to be true. First, the staff should not spend time on non-local kids unless they are true difference makers, or play a position we need to go out of area for that cycle. Second, the staff needs to make sure it prioritizes it’s time and energy on recruiting local kids. A trip out west to watch a kid play is a two day event. You can touch a bunch of local kids in that same time. Time is finite.

 

[Zbrod95]

If you confuse sending out offers a year in advance with spending real resources recruiting far flung areas, then maybe you’re just unclear on how recruiting works. Schools send out hundreds of offers. No one is saying offer solely local kids. That's stupid. On the other hand, you’re suggesting we should give up on top local kids, which is also stupid. It’s fine to semd out offers near and far. But resources are limited, time is limited, eval access isn’t the same for a local kid or a far away kid. So two things need to be true. First, the staff should not spend time on non-local kids unless they are true difference makers, or play a position we need to go out of area for that cycle. Second, the staff needs to make sure it prioritizes it’s time and energy on recruiting local kids. A trip out west to watch a kid play is a two day event. You can touch a bunch of local kids in that same time. Time is finite.

My lord look a how dense you are.

If you’re offering kids from other states that means you’re dumping resources because time to talk to prospects is a resource.

I’m guessing you were never recruited or been a part of a recruiting process.

If I say Massachusetts will you feel better? How about Illinois where Jeff Thomas is from?

 

[Ethnicsands]

Manny says you don’t know ****. He already offered the two best players from that state last week.

I am pretty sure manny aint going to give up on local kids because fams like you say he has no chance. He’s got bogle on campus right now, after doing an in-home with him last week by himself. Folks here have written off bogle for ages. Apparently manny hasn’t. See the difference.

He can and should go find what he can out of area, but not at the expense of properly recruiting our home territory.

You guys have watched four incompetent corches both recruit badly and put out **** product, and you’re blaming the local kids for not coming here? Why should they have? When we have a staff that develops kids well and puts a good product on the field, we’ll see how well we can recruit locally.

What if the only difference between so fla kids and kids elsewhere is the local kids are smarter about how pathetic our program has been run? You think local kids are the only kids susceptible to bags? Kids everywhere like money, pretty girls and success, and being a local hero has been popular since the greeks were writing philosophy.

 

[Ethnicsands]

My lord look a how dense you are.

If you’re offering kids from other states that means you’re dumping resources because time to talk to prospects is a resource.

I’m guessing you were never recruited or been a part of a recruiting process.

If I say Massachusetts will you feel better? How about Illinois where Jeff Thomas is from?

Seriously, you are flailing around and an idiot. Sending offers is not at this stage a huge commitment of time. They have not and cannot have done much of any real evals on OOS kids. Manny only because HC a month ago, and the recruiting coordinator has only been there a bit over two weeks. So stop your idiocy. Tossing out offers is fine. Where are you going to FOCUS. What are your PRIORITIES. Those are the questions that have to be answered.

 

[cyrez8]

This thread is insane. Save it in classics. Guys arguing the UM staff should spend its resources recruiting Colorado??? You cant make this isht up. Wow.

You all are way too butt hurt over local kids going elsewhere. Way to cokerized to realize the staff and product on the field deserves most of the blame.

You guys sound like a guy who got shot down tryna pick up girls so he decided it’d be easier to be ghey.

Bingo. Win and they'll come

 

[Zbrod95]

Bingo. Win and they'll come

No they won’t. I’m not guessing like y’all. I grew up in this generation, I know some of these coaches. Winning isn’t going to help a thing unless we win titles. We’re not winning titles with the boderline 4* guys that this board drools over and it needs to be supplemented.