Broaden Recruiting Scope

[Ethnicsands]

Oh yea, great bump to prove your point.

“YoU WaNTZ Tu StAP REcrOOtInG SfL”

Didn’t know Michael J. Krop wasn’t in South Florida. You kwant to get in on the bet that Amari Daniels doesn’t attend UM? I’ll up it and say he goes to FSU because “Telly Lockette is the best crooter Evers!”.

Lol. We actually signed pope, who was a 5, and youre here saying you dont want him. And the 5 kids who dont come you get mad at because they dont come. You’re a hot mess.

 

[Zbrod95]

Lol. We actually signed pope, who was a 5, and youre here saying you dont want him. And the 5 kids who dont come you get mad at because they dont come. You’re a hot mess.

You want me to replace Mark Pope with Dee Wiggins? Would that make you happy?

It was actually a shot at your hype job of Mark.

 

[Ethnicsands]

You want me to replace Mark Pope with Dee Wiggins? Would that make you happy?

It was actually a shot at your hype job of Mark.

Hype job? He was a 5* amd top local receiver who everyone wanted. Im not hyping him. Im pointing out that he came here. You whine about those kids who dont come, and now youre whining about one who did. Youre a mess.

 

[Zbrod95]

Hype job? He was a 5* amd top local receiver who everyone wanted. Im not hyping him. Im pointing out that he came here. You whine about those kids who dont come, and now youre whining about one who did. Youre a mess.

Lmfao you’re the mess and you keep switching goal posts. Where am I complaining about Mark Pope? Are you mad that there’s no bias for your argument so you’re trying to make one?

You’re not right here and you’ll never will be.

 

[deleted4920]

How about this?

Recruit SoFla HARD- it is after all the richest environment in the country- and ALSO create 2-3 pockets outside of SOFLA that we develop as recruiting bases, so we aren't chasing kids all over the country, willy nilly, but are not 100% dependant on our area?

We have done that with Jacksonville with very good results.

We used to recruit Texas really well back in the day. A little bit of Cali and Louisiana.

Im good with NY State, Duvall County, and couple other fishing holes versus running all over the ocean with poor results.

 

[Zbrod95]

How about this?

Recruit SoFla HARD- it is after all the richest environment in the country- and ALSO create 2-3 pockets outside of SOFLA that we develop as recruiting bases, so we aren't chasing kids all over the country, willy nilly, but are not 100% dependant on our area?

We have done that with Jacksonville with very good results.

We used to recruit Texas really well back in the day. A little bit of Cali and Louisiana.

Im good with NY State, Duvall County, and couple other fishing holes versus running all over the ocean with poor results.

We can create more than 2-3 but yea that’s the whole point. Why should I sit here waiting for Chaney when I can seal up the NY boys while waiting for him and not get left at the alter (theoretically)? Whole point but apparently I can’t do that or Uncle Puke, EthnicSands, and CaneSince4ever will go running around yelling we don’t recruit SFL.

 

[Canesince83]

I think we all understand that recruiting starts in South Florida and goes from there. With that said, it is smart to go after kids from large cities up north that don't have natural local program draws ie: New York, New Jersey, Chicago etc... These places can't be the bases of our recruiting, but they do produce some gems that will go out of state to play ball almost regardless of where they choose as there is no good home town team. City kids won't be scared of the metropolitan feel of Miami, and the weather is a great selling point. If we can start consistently winning, we can start closing more elite Florida talent, and that should always be our focus, just not our only focus.

 

[Ethnicsands]

How about this?

Recruit SoFla HARD- it is after all the richest environment in the country- and ALSO create 2-3 pockets outside of SOFLA that we develop as recruiting bases, so we aren't chasing kids all over the country, willy nilly, but are not 100% dependant on our area?

We have done that with Jacksonville with very good results.

We used to recruit Texas really well back in the day. A little bit of Cali and Louisiana.

Im good with NY State, Duvall County, and couple other fishing holes versus running all over the ocean with poor results.

Thats kinda been my point. It’s not that hard to lay out if folks would stop whining about local kids.

Recruit the heck out of So Fla, amd Tampa and below, really. Keep at it in Jax, find a few kids from GA each cycle, and cover NJ and NY when they have relevant kids who express interest.

Beyond that, there will be kids in Alabama, Texas, LA and CA we should be willing to recruit if they’re good enough, express geniune interest and are at a position where we need OOS help. Probably the Memphis area should be included too. But you have to be really choosy with where you spend your OOS time, or you can spread too thin and get bad results everywhere

If we get better results, we can look into building a better pipeline back into TX.
We should also do much better with jucos. Cortez Kennedy, Brant McKinnie, Shockey, ....

And QB will always be a national search, along with K.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I think we all understand that recruiting starts in South Florida and goes from there. With that said, it is smart to go after kids from large cities up north that don't have natural local program draws ie: New York, New Jersey, Chicago etc... These places can't be the bases of our recruiting, but they do produce some gems that will go out of state to play ball almost regardless of where they choose as there is no good home town team. City kids won't be scared of the metropolitan feel of Miami, and the weather is a great selling point. If we can start consistently winning, we can start closing more elite Florida talent, and that should always be our focus, just not our only focus.

Chicago is highly picked over by Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin. Chicago is not an area we ahould spend time, imo. And most city kids from chicago have historical family roots in Mississippi and the deep South. Just because it's a city doesn’t mean it leans towards UM. NY has much more affinity for South Florida than Chicago does.

As for NY and NJ, it’s harder today with Penn State picking back up and the Big Ten focusing on the NE TV markets. But Miami should always be able to be a player for kids in the NE.

 

[TheMatador]

Joursey boyz ah tuff sonz of *******. Ah forget abou dit!

When Goldman was here they were all coal shovelers. When JJ was coach, they were great in Jersey (Greg Mark & Danny Stubbs.) Now they're great again. Isn't it amazing how how the level of talent in Jersey waxes and wants with the changes in the UM coaching staff. Strange correlation...wonder if want researcher has picked up on this relationship and will write a scholarly article on it.

 

[TheMatador]

Thats kinda been my point. It’s not that hard to lay out if folks would stop whining about local kids.

Recruit the heck out of So Fla, amd Tampa and below, really. Keep at it in Jax, find a few kids from GA each cycle, and cover NJ and NY when they have relevant kids who express interest.

Beyond that, there will be kids in Alabama, Texas, LA and CA we should be willing to recruit if they’re good enough, express geniune interest and are at a position where we need OOS help. Probably the Memphis area should be included too. But you have to be really choosy with where you spend your OOS time, or you can spread too thin and get bad results everywhere

If we get better results, we can look into building a better pipeline back into TX.
We should also do much better with jucos. Cortez Kennedy, Brant McKinnie, Shockey, ....

And QB will always be a national search, along with K.

We did a lot of this in the past and it depended on whether we had a particular assistant coach with relationships in the area. When Hubbard Alexander was on staff he recruited Memphis and Chicago because he had a background in this cities and knew coaches. When he left our recruiting in those areas dropped off. Same with Curtis Johnson and Louisiana. We never recruited Georgia as hard as we did the last two years until Richt and his crew came in.

Decades ago we recruited Wisconsin and Pennsylvania particularly hard because assistant coach Walt Kichefski had a background in those areas, having been from Wisconsin and then playing for the Steelers.

 

[TheMatador]

Ethnic and GC both agree on this important point...

"We should be willing to consider kids who are obvious takes and who want to be recruited." Ethnicsands

Of course, reasoning plays a big role in why they want to be recruited. And that's called the recruiter's homework. Figure it out and make the choice that defines the path for the kid and the school. Fun topic for another thread... Describe the physche of a junior HS football player.

What's a "physche"?

 

[TheMatador]

Didn't think u would have much to say after I just dissected your whole argument. Primarily recruiting kids from Colorado, NJ, NY or Las Vegas over kids from Florida doesn't even sound realistic or logical. It sounds dumb. As I said before, u start at home first then look OOS as a secondary option. Give me a 3 from South Florida like Sam Brooks over most highly rated 4 from Colorado any day.

Then might have missed Darren Krein and Calais Campbell....and maybe Ryan Clement, who might have been a better QB than any QB coming out of South Florida his year.

 

[TheMatador]

You have to look at today’s culture. These SF kids get recruited from optimist through HS. They change high schools like most change underwear.

And not just when it's dirty.

 

[TheMatador]

YOU are apparently saying that. You sound unaware of what is required to actually recruit kids in far flung places. Do you not remember the weekly Jon Richt trips to the West Coast chasing a kid we didn’t get? Maybe Richt would have had a QB committed if he’s thought about resources. Instead he quit, because he failed at recruiting and it was a referendum on the program.

Alabama also has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy more resources dedicated to recruiting than UM. More people, more systems, more budget. So we should be careful to compare ourselves to them. Saban has a helicopter to take him to the bathroom. UM’s budget is more constraned.

I can't imagine Butch or JJ doing something stupid like flying every week to see a kid in Oregon. Maybe the kid thought JR was "you know what" and kind of interested. No wonder the kid signed with PSU. Maybe you fly back and forth for a chick, but a recruit? Kind of weird.

 

[TheEye]

This is exactly the logic that ensures we will stay mediocre.

Thats bull. Ed Reed-Louisianna, Clinton Portis-Gainesville, Ken Dorsey and Kellen Winslow- California...

Local kids commit early and throw our hats on the floor. You know. I know it.

 

[MiamiChris]

Our greatest team ever had a tremendous amount of talent from all over the country.

We neeed to find a reasonable mix of local and national players. Staff (and current players) have done a great job of starting a pipeline from places like Vegas and NY.

Dorsey- Cali
Portis- Fla (GVille)
Davenport (Dade)
Andre Johnson (Dade)
Daryl Jones (Tx)
Shocked (Ok.)
McKinnie (Pa)
Romberg (Canada)
Bibla (Pa)
Sherko (Canada)
Gonzalez (Dade)
Sievers (Iowa)

Andrew williams (Fla)
McDougle (Broward)
Walters (FL)
William Joseph (Dade)
DJ Williams (Ca)
Vilma (Dade)
Howard Clark (NJ)
Chris Campbell (Tx)
Rumph (Fla)
Buchanan (Fla)
Reed (La)
Scott (NJ)
Capshaw (Wyoming)

 

[TheEye]

How about this?

Recruit SoFla HARD-

This is not news. Every coach has been recruiting S. Fl "hard." Sony Michel went to go play for Richt. Al Golden lost out to freaking Arkansas? Randy Shannon tried and failed in his last two years.

 

[TheMatador]

Chicago is highly picked over by Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin. Chicago is not an area we ahould spend time, imo. And most city kids from chicago have historical family roots in Mississippi and the deep South. Just because it's a city doesn’t mean it leans towards UM. NY has much more affinity for South Florida than Chicago does.

As for NY and NJ, it’s harder today with Penn State picking back up and the Big Ten focusing on the NE TV markets. But Miami should always be able to be a player for kids in the NE.

We did recruit Chicago well when Hubbard Alexander was on staff. He had connections there. In the '80's we had a number of starters from Chicago. (Russ Maryland, Mike Sullivan, Rod Holder, Andre Brown, maybe Frank Frazier).

Big issue would be, I guess, breaking into the extensive Catholic school network. Don't know if it's the same as it used to be. I'd rather recruit Texas, Louisiana and Gorman.

 

[kalinis]

Everybody keeps saying that. Why? That’s not what we’re saying...not signaling you out but for some reason saying maybe we should bring in a bit more kids from OOS gets everybody butthurt even though these are same kids getting excited about UM football.

I have no issue going out of state. but the guy in this thread implies should stop recruiting south florida and u cant do that. u still have to keep south florida as your base at least 1/2 your recruits should be from south florida. yes go out of state im all for it to texas/cali/Georgia fine. go for it go get 5 stars out of state cool but the base has to be south florida kids as its just easier to get them 90 pct of time