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Ethnicsands said:
Really?

Exactly how many Ed Reeds, Dj Williams, Jeremy Shockeys and Bryant McKinnies has Dade and Broward produced in the last 5-10 years?
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You missed the point entirely. So fla has produced plenty of talent the past decade, in any case. But the boil the ocean strategy, recruit everywhere, blah blah. That was Coker’s undoing.

Our core strength is access to local talent. We will not be back without keeping it home much better than we hve. We can supplement with top kids from elsewhere, but we cannot go looking for needles in the haystack everywhere.
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No I didn't miss the point at all.

Everyone knows we have to secure as much top talent as we can locally. But there are talent rich areas, programs and players across the country we should be going after as well.
 
Gatorhater said:
Japan Inc days were the 80s, our heyday. Not sure what you are getting at.
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Go Canes!! said:
You missed the point entirely. So fla has produced plenty of talent the past decade, in any case. But the boil the ocean strategy, recruit everywhere, blah blah. That was Coker’s undoing.

Our core strength is access to local talent. We will not be back without keeping it home much better than we hve. We can supplement with top kids from elsewhere, but we cannot go looking for needles in the haystack everywhere.
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No I didn't miss the point at all.

Everyone knows we have to secure as much top talent as we can locally. But there are talent rich areas, programs and players across the country we should be going after as well.
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Right. Because we have such extensive recruiting resources that not only can we do a better job of recruiting locally, but we should set out to cover the entire country. Or is it continent? Maybe there are great kids in Australia and West Africa torecruit while we’re at it?

Rebuilding requires focus and priorities, not flailing around.

There are some positions we should recruit nationally (qb and k, e.g.).

There are some pockets we should recruit cautiously. NY, Nj, GA in particular.

Beyond that, we should be willing to consider kids who are obvious takes and who want to be recruited.

When we are bck to a top brand, TX and CA can become relevant again.
 
Ethnic and GC both agree on this important point...

"We should be willing to consider kids who are obvious takes and who want to be recruited." Ethnicsands

Of course, reasoning plays a big role in why they want to be recruited. And that's called the recruiter's homework. Figure it out and make the choice that defines the path for the kid and the school. Fun topic for another thread... Describe the physche of a junior HS football player.
 
Ethnicsands said:
This is exactly the logic that ensures we will stay mediocre.
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No, this is.

Guys like that don’t get SFL kids don’t want to be here. This isn’t the 90’s with Gems running all over the place. There is no more Miami mystic to sell if you couldn’t tell about Jared Harrison-Hunte’s response. I’m going to recruit nationally and take other recruits from other states until these high schools that you support stop pushing kids away.

Guys like you will always get this university’s football program mediocre. This isn’t the 80’s - 90’s anymore. The old way of doing things doesn’t exist so either this university is going to adapt and save itself or it’ll continue to die until we turn into Georgetown Basketball.
 
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I love me a team full of South Florida divas. It's a huge gamble but when they have each other's backs and win, they win big.
 
Zbrod95 said:
No, this is.

Guys like that don’t get SFL kids don’t want to be here. This isn’t the 90’s with Gems running all over the place. There is no more Miami mystic to sell if you couldn’t tell about Jared Harrison-Hunte’s response. I’m going to recruit nationally and take other recruits from other states until these high schools that you support stop pushing kids away.

Guys like you will always get this university’s football program mediocre. This isn’t the 80’s - 90’s anymore. The old way of doing things doesn’t exist so either this university is going to adapt and save itself or it’ll continue to die until we turn into Georgetown Basketball.
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Your theory of recruit the world and ignore so fla isna fail. It’s idiotic, tbh.

Thankfully manny diaz doesnt agree with you.
 
TheChosenOne said:
I've been saying this for a while.

Miami's location is not an advantage for Miami kids. Miami kids take living in Miami granted. The "stay home" angle has no weight to them.

Miami's location is an advantage for OOS kids because they've been exposed to the cold, boring areas they've lived in most of their life.
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Y’all are blaming local kids for having thencommon sense to avoid the dumpster fire UM has been for ages.

Being the local hero has always been popular, and always will be, in Miami and everyone else on the planet. But not if it’s a pipe dream and the local option is a joke.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Your theory of recruit the world and ignore so fla isna fail. It’s idiotic, tbh.

Thankfully manny diaz doesnt agree with you.
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I'm not ignoring South Florida. I’m trying not to have my d*ck in my hand in February.

Tough talk for a guy who didn’t even bother to notice that the best players on our roster aren’t even from South Florida.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Y’all are blaming local kids for having thencommon sense to avoid the dumpster fire UM has been for ages.

Being the local hero has always been popular, and always will be, in Miami and everyone else on the planet. But not if it’s a pipe dream and the local option is a joke.
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Ok Luke. How about you stop pushing our kids to other schools and treating the team you “root” for as a joke?

Maybe then we won’t suck...

Until then I’ll be in Jacksonville finding me Lo’s, Shaq’s, Romeo’s, and Mikes, in Nevada finding Brevin, in North Carolina finding Braxton, New Jersey finding David Njoku, and Georgia finding Deejay.

Maybe I’ll stop by Michael J Krop. And find Randall St. Felix instead of Mark Pope.
 
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Zbrod95 said:
Ok Luke. How about you stop pushing our kids to other schools and treating the team you “root” for as a joke?

Maybe then we won’t suck...
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Recruiting OOS as the primary option is a recipe for disaster. Miami is a sleeping giant and only needs everything to click at the same time to regain national prominence. The last decade has been a mixture of offense no defense, talent no coaching, out right post season ban etc. South Florida is the most fertile HS recruiting ground in the world, u have to start home first then look OOS divas or not.
 
Sorry but I’m more of the mindset that the program needs to get its **** together and give these kids down here with options a legitimate reason to pick the home team again. Miami’s biggest advantage is proximity to talent..............bottom line is that the staff needs to evaluate and develop better which will ultimately lead to success and having more to sell.
 
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D RevLee said:
Recruiting OOS as the primary option is a recipe for disaster. Miami is a sleeping giant and only needs everything to click at the same time to regain national prominence. The last decade has been a mixture of offense no defense, talent no coaching, out right post season ban etc. South Florida is the most fertile HS recruiting ground in the world, u have to start home first then look OOS divas or not.
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“Only needs everything to click” Look Rook, we have coaches that take bribes and players that get throughly paid. The fence is not coming back and I know it isn’t because I know some of the players that have been paid off. There is not respect for a UM offer because these coaches tell them they earned it because they were born here and trash it when they get it...we just have Poitier essentially comfirm this in his interview with Ivins. You’re not winning big with these kids because the Akeem Dent’s and Marcus Rosemy’s of SFL aren’t going to come here. How do I combat this? I go and I find kids from Atlanta that would go to UGA, kids from Philly and NY that would go to OSU/PSU, Kids in Colorado and Vegas that would go to USC/OU.

This isn’t the 80’s, 90’s, and the early 2000’s. UM doesn’t have the support because the old regime of coaches retired and the kids think we’re a joke. So what do you do? Go recruit kids that have to leave for school anyways.
 
AboutTheU05 said:
Sorry but I’m more of the mindset that the program needs to get its **** together and give these kids down here with options a legitimate reason to pick the home team again. Miami’s biggest advantage is proximity to talent..............bottom line is that the staff needs to evaluate and develop better which will ultimately lead to success and having more to sell.
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Evaluate and develop better...in 2017 and ‘18 we got essentially got every top 200 player in SFL that wasn’t a 5. The problem is that we’re not getting the 5 star players and you won’t accept the fact that they’re not coming back until we win a title again.
 
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Zbrod95 said:
“Only needs everything to click” Look Rook, we have coaches that take bribes and players that get throughly paid. The fence is not coming back and I know it isn’t because I know some of the players that have been paid off. There is not respect for a UM offer because these coaches tell them they earned it because they were born here and trash it when they get it...we just have Poitier essentially comfirm in his interview with Ivins. You’re not winning big with these kids because the Akeem Dent’s and Marcus Rosemy’s of SFL aren’t going to come here. How do I combat this? I go and I find kids from Atlanta that would go to UGA, kids from Philly and NY that would go to OSU/PSU, Kids in Colorado and Vegas that would go to USC/OU.

This isn’t the 80’s, 90’s, and the early 2000’s. UM doesn’t have the support because the old regime of coaches retired and the kids think we’re a joke. So what do you do? Go recruit kids that have to leave for school anyways.
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Don't be naive, you're not going into GA, Texas, California and cherry picking top talent on a regular basis when they already have premier programs in-state. I don't recall saying anything about putting a fence around South Florida. I said South Florida has to be the primary recruiting zone. Winning on a consistent basis will solve majority of the problems when it comes to losing out on top talent from home. These kids want to go to the "cool" or "hot" school at the time. It's not a coincidence that our 10 win season resulted in a top 10 class. The off field success was a direct correlation to our on field success.
 
D RevLee said:
Don't be naive, you're not going into GA, Texas, California and cherry picking top talent on a regular basis when they already have premier programs in-state. I don't recall saying anything about putting a fence around South Florida. I said South Florida has to be the primary recruiting zone. Winning on a consistent basis will solve majority of the problems when it comes to losing out on top talent from home. These kids want to go to the "cool" or "hot" school at the time. It's not a coincidence that our 10 win season resulted in a top 10 class. The off field success was a direct correlation to our on field success.
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What do you mean? I just did in 2017 and 2018...that same top ten class was headlined by kids from Orange Park, Las Vegas, and Lawrenceville GA and scorned by the 4 best players in SFL. Lol, were you trying to strengthen my argument?

BTW who’s talking about Texas and California? I’m talking about going into places that don’t have good programs like Colorado, Las Vegas, NJ, and NY. 3 of these places I’ve actually got players from to begin with and are dominated by Cold weather programs how much do you want to bet a lot of them will jump for a place like Miami? It’s a lot...and I already got proof of it.
 
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Zbrod95 said:
What do you mean? I just did in 2017 and 2018...that same top ten class was headlined by kids from Orange Park, Las Vegas, and Lawrenceville GA and scorned by the 4 best players in SFL. Lol, were you trying to strengthen my argument?

BTW who’s talking about Texas and California? I’m talking about going into place that don’t have programs like Colorado, Las Vegas, NJ, and NY. 3 of these places I’ve actually got players from to begin with and are dominated by Cold weather programs how much do you want to bet a lot of them will jump for a place like Miami? It’s a lot...and I already got proof of it.
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You're expectations are unrealistic lmao. USC and Oregon dominate the west coast recruits. Michigan and Ohio St. dominate the mid west. Penn St locks up the DMV area. What P5 program (that hasn't won consistently) goes into another region and wins recruiting battles regularly? Absolutely none lol. If we win, the top guys will stay more often than not.

Like I said Last Vegas kids usually stay on the west coast and DMV kids usually go to Penn State or the two schools in the mid west. U are not winning championships relying on kids from Colorado and NY, two states who are not known for producing deep top end talent every year 😂 u wouldn't even win championships recruiting all 4 places u named bc u are not going to win every recruiting battle. u have zero valid points.

Oh and btw, 12 of our top 15 recruits in that Top 10 2018 class were from Florida. That does strengthen my argument.
 
D RevLee said:
You're expectations are unrealistic lmao. USC and Oregon dominate the west coast recruits. Michigan and Ohio St. dominate the mid west. Penn St locks up the DMV area. What P5 program (that hasn't won consistently) goes into another region and wins recruiting battles regularly? Absolutely none lol. If we win, the top guys will stay more often than not.

Like I said Last Vegas kids usually stay on the west coast and DMV kids usually go to Penn State or the two schools in the mid west. U are not winning championships relying on kids from Colorado and NY, two states who are not known for producing deep top end talent every year 😂 u wouldn't even win championships recruiting all 4 places u named bc u are not going to win every recruiting battle. u have zero valid points.

Oh and btw, 12 of our top 15 recruits in that Top 10 2018 class were from Florida. That does strengthen my argument.
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No...because the difference makers weren’t from South Florida...the place we were talking about to begin with.

This guy actually thinks that we’re saying not to recruit Florida at all and to go balls deeps into places like Colorado...
 
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