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Barry Jackson in depth about the defense/D'onofrio

Duval904 said:
Ghandi said:
killa1storm said:
i've been watching miami's d closely in anticipation of our matchup in september.

i don't know much about d'onofrio other than his 2 seasons at miami, i know about golden from his uva days where he utilized the 3-4. but obviously you guys aren't using that scheme at miami. i will say this, if i were a miami fan i'd be concerned that the defense at the end of the year was just as bad as it was at the beginning of the year. 500+ yards to duke??? 41 points to uva??? and uva had one of the worst offenses in the country at that time. if it's really an experience thing then shouldn't the defense be better by the end of the year? idk, you guys would know more than me but his scheme seems hella vanilla and soft, that's always a recipe for getting carved up no matter how much experience or talent you end up acquiring.
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Will neg when I can.
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will neg your right now since you liked his post and then said you will neg

DA FUGG
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I just did the same. That type of insubordination won't be tolerated around here.
 
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Ghandi said:
killa1storm said:
i've been watching miami's d closely in anticipation of our matchup in september.

i don't know much about d'onofrio other than his 2 seasons at miami, i know about golden from his uva days where he utilized the 3-4. but obviously you guys aren't using that scheme at miami. i will say this, if i were a miami fan i'd be concerned that the defense at the end of the year was just as bad as it was at the beginning of the year. 500+ yards to duke??? 41 points to uva??? and uva had one of the worst offenses in the country at that time. if it's really an experience thing then shouldn't the defense be better by the end of the year? idk, you guys would know more than me but his scheme seems hella vanilla and soft, that's always a recipe for getting carved up no matter how much experience or talent you end up acquiring.
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Will neg when I can.
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Biscuits said:
GoldenShowers said:
Again follow what I said before you get your panties in a bunch.

The scheme itself is completely fine. And it works well when you have a bunch of professionals running it. And with a bunch of 5th year seniors you can even get to the 18th scoring D in the nation.

But Miami has never been a school with a ton of 5th year seniors playing, and while it's nice to have high IQ football kids, the kids that comprise most of our team come from areas notorious for horrendous football coaching.

I have never said Donofrio doesn't know what he's doing. In fact go to CI and look up multiple threads where I essentially taught the scheme to the "No D" whiners.

The issue is the execution of the scheme is not happening and we are losing our speed advantage as a result. Dumb it down and let the athletes play fast. Jimmy Johnson invented this concept. FSU used it to the tune of the number 2 D in football last year. Randy Shannon, may he rot in ****, had a half dozens seasons of elite D behind that philosophy.
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Our speed advantage?

Are you contending that we had a faster than average defense last year?

and I mean average as it relates to CFB.
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Yeah, was going to post this also. Our speed 'advantage' has been overrated for a long time. We have lost speed, and the rest of CFB has added speed.
 
Paranos said:
Okay so here is the thing Donfrio wants to use less players on Defense but just moved a senior dyron dye and a junior in david perry to DE. So what does he plan on doing with them, plus all the others. Not to mention what happen to if a kid can play we will play him. On the dline you need to be able to play 10 deep (1st &2nd strings plus two pass rushing specialist) so then that means what everyone in back seven plays the whole game, I think not they need subbing also it in order to be fresh in the 4th qtr.

Lets see what he cooks up this year.

Go Canes
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IMO Dye and Perry were moved because they're not going to contribute at TE. Just a way to see if they can do anything at DE. Dye has the size to maybe do something there. Perry, not sure. But I wouldn't assume D plans on playing ten DEs a game just because he's got a lot of bodies at the spot.
 
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I'd almost like to see how Chickillo would do at TE, or even Dye. The DT's had no penetration last year at all. Maybe they can keep Porter surrounded by bubble wrap and marshmallows until the season starts and Pierre was coming on at the end, so the DT's might look better. I don't think they could look worse.
 
killa1storm said:
i've been watching miami's d closely in anticipation of our matchup in september.

i don't know much about d'onofrio other than his 2 seasons at miami, i know about golden from his uva days where he utilized the 3-4. but obviously you guys aren't using that scheme at miami. i will say this, if i were a miami fan i'd be concerned that the defense at the end of the year was just as bad as it was at the beginning of the year. 500+ yards to duke??? 41 points to uva??? and uva had one of the worst offenses in the country at that time. if it's really an experience thing then shouldn't the defense be better by the end of the year? idk, you guys would know more than me but his scheme seems hella vanilla and soft, that's always a recipe for getting carved up no matter how much experience or talent you end up acquiring.
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If I were a **** fan, I'd worry more about my own defense than Miami's defense, and then I'd shoot myself for jorts, the flop, ducking my instate rival over and over, and being associated with Timmy Teafag. That said, the stats have been broken down here and on other sites. The defense was better in virtually every category in the last 6 games than it was in the first 6. Ever consider that the "vanilla and soft" scheme was intentional because of no talent or experience? Nah, that would take logic...
 
killa1storm said:
ok. well thought out and orginal post. job well done.
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orginal? Very well thought out.

So, let me get this straight. You do nothing but parrot the idiotic posts of a bunch of message board dumbarses who expect the defense to be good while playing with FIU level talent, and I tell you that the stats show that the defense actually improved over the second half of the season...and you criticize MY post? Well, I guess dumbarsery begets dumbarsery...
 
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how did the defense improve giving up 41 to one of the worst oefenses in the country in uva and 500+ to duke? you're a *******. from where they started any little positive would be 'improvement,' that doesn't mean any real improvement took place. i guess duke and uva were trotting out all-stars on offense. yawn.
 
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killa1storm said:
how did the defense improve giving up 41 to one of the worst oefenses in the country in uva and 500+ to duke? you're a ******. from where they started any little positive would be 'improvement,' that doesn't mean any real improvement took place. i guess duke and uva were trotting out all-stars on offense. yawn.
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So I guess we are disregarding the fact that 3 of our best defensive players were suspended for the UVA game and we held USF to 9 points in the next to last game of the season? The Duke game was an abomination on defense but 99 of Duke's yards came on one busted play.
 
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Dorito calls every play of every game like we're up 50 late in the 4th. He's a ******.

But another scout said he would like to have seen more blitzes, creative pressure packages, and more use of man-to-man coverage (especially bump and run) and less zone.

That's what we were screaming all year. We had 4 horrendous linemen rushing while the other 7 players bailed at the snap to fall into their zone. No pressure at all up front. No exotic looks.
 
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
killa1storm said:
how did the defense improve giving up 41 to one of the worst oefenses in the country in uva and 500+ to duke? you're a *****. from where they started any little positive would be 'improvement,' that doesn't mean any real improvement took place. i guess duke and uva were trotting out all-stars on offense. yawn.
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So I guess we are disregarding the fact that 3 of our best defensive players were suspended for the UVA game and we held USF to 9 points in the next to last game of the season? The Duke game was an abomination on defense but 99 of Duke's yards came on one busted play.
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that's fine, wasn't taking any shots until that moron came in throwing insults. take what you will from usf, they were down to what their 3rd string qb? i just said i would be concerned one of the worst performances came in the last game of the year, against a bad team no less. that would be concerning for me as fan if experience was supposed to be the issue. in the last game of the season that should be resolved if gains were being made, how is experience a legitimate gripe game 12 of the season?
 
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killa1storm said:
how did the defense improve giving up 41 to one of the worst oefenses in the country in uva and 500+ to duke? you're a *****. from where they started any little positive would be 'improvement,' that doesn't mean any real improvement took place. i guess duke and uva were trotting out all-stars on offense. yawn.
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We were a little bit better at the end of the year, but inconsistent. Injuries and inexperience still cropped up.

For example, in the Duke game, we gave up a 99-yard TD pass because a true freshman SS who hadn't played a lot blew a coverage. He got caught looking in the backfield and let a WR run right past him.
 
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why does this guy get every benefit of the doubt, but other DCs here in the past got nada?
 
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RiDLer80 said:
His first year at Miami the defense only allowed 20.1 ppg. Do you think in one year he suddenly forgot how to coach defense or do you think the terrible results we had last year was caused by the lack of talent and experience we were playing with?
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This is exactly what I said during the season. So our scoring defense drops by 10 points, and our total defense drops by nearly 130 yards.

Either D'Onofrio has early onset dementia, or we felt the loss of the following players:

Sean Spence
Micanor Regis
Adewale Ojomo
JoJo Nicholas
Marcus Robinson
Andrew Smith
Olivier Vernon
Ray Ray Armstrong

Not exactly a murderers' row, but we due to the horrible 2009 and 2010 recruiting classes, we didn't properly replace those guys.

Early in the season, we were playing with **** near Sun Belt talent on the d-line. Chickillo was the ONLY defensive end on the roster who had taken a collegiate snap at the position and he's a true sophomore.

Our defense was bound to be a train wreck last year.
 
CanesAreAble said:
killa1storm said:
how did the defense improve giving up 41 to one of the worst oefenses in the country in uva and 500+ to duke? you're a ******. from where they started any little positive would be 'improvement,' that doesn't mean any real improvement took place. i guess duke and uva were trotting out all-stars on offense. yawn.
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We were a little bit better at the end of the year, but inconsistent. Injuries and inexperience still cropped up.

For example, in the Duke game, we gave up a 99-yard TD pass because a true freshman SS who hadn't played a lot blew a coverage. He got caught looking in the backfield and let a WR run right past him.
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makes sense. like i said i wasn't trying to throw any shots or anything because i frankly haven't watched you guys as in-depth as most on here have. just saying i would be concerned the defense was seemingly not improved to end the year by giving up tons of yards and points to bad teams. even taking away that 99 yard pass they gave up 484 to duke in the last game of the year. that shouldn't be happening at miami.
 
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i don't care what you say...when teams like UVA, Dukkke, and B fuggin CC can run over you, it's more than just players
 
Duval904 said:
why does this guy get every benefit of the doubt, but other DCs here in the past got nada?
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Because he had success at Temple.

Bill Young got the benefit of the doubt because of his résumé. Tim Walton didn't.

Lovett was somewhere in between.
 
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