Article: NCAA Charges Miami With Lack of Institutional Control

[The Franchise]

Today's thought: If the NCAA thought it was acting on the up and up why'd they use "burner" phones? Why not just call that sawed-off kuntbag normally?

 

[Consigliere]

Today's thought: If the NCAA thought it was acting on the up and up why'd they use "burner" phones? Why not just call that sawed-off kuntbag normally?

One of the NCAA investigators holds stock in a pay-as-you-go phone service.

 

[SevenNSeven]

Today's thought: If the NCAA thought it was acting on the up and up why'd they use "burner" phones? Why not just call that sawed-off kuntbag normally?

Their investigators lack the credit necessary to get actual cell phones. This is where they got the money for his prison account:

 

[Biscuits]

This occurred to me last night.

I've always had something stuck in my craw about the NCAA's use of transferred Miami players as witnesses. It's been said that this was no big deal, because it's legally accepted practice to do the same thing with co-conspirators in a criminal case. There is one very key difference between the two situations, however. Anyone making a sworn statement to law enforcement or a court of law risks purgery charges if caught lying in those statments, correct? This is an incentive to tell the truth, regardless of how the truth is induced.

In an NCAA investigation, there is no incentive for a student-althete who is offered immunity to tell the truth. The incentive is to tell the investigators exactly what they want to hear. I'd be very, very skeptical that the investigators were asking open-ended questions and objectively searching for the truth. They were asking leading questions and conducting a witch-hunt. It's in Bobby Marve's best interest to agree with whatever the **** they want, as long as he knows he's getting immunity. Who was that dude in the Wire who took the wrap for a bunch of murders for a fish sammich? It's like the opposite of that.

Am I wrong?

 

[nadiamufdi]

Not at all biscuits. This is one of many reasons why their entire process is beyond phucked up

 

[SoFlaSmitty]

This occurred to me last night.

I've always had something stuck in my craw about the NCAA's use of transferred Miami players as witnesses. It's been said that this was no big deal, because it's legally accepted practice to do the same thing with co-conspirators in a criminal case. There is one very key difference between the two situations, however. Anyone making a sworn statement to law enforcement or a court of law risks purgery charges if caught lying in those statments, correct? This is an incentive to tell the truth, regardless of how the truth is induced.

In an NCAA investigation, there is no incentive for a student-althete who is offered immunity to tell the truth. The incentive is to tell the investigators exactly what they want to hear. I'd be very, very skeptical that the investigators were asking open-ended questions and objectively searching for the truth. They were asking leading questions and conducting a witch-hunt. It's in Bobby Marve's best interest to agree with whatever the **** they want, as long as he knows he's getting immunity. Who was that dude in the Wire who took the wrap for a bunch of murders for a fish sammich? It's like the opposite of that.

Am I wrong?

Have to agree. Asking a few players who where butt hurt by fans or the school cause they were booed or we talked **** about them on these boards questions after saying they are free of any punishment how are you going to get a honest statement out of them?

NCAA: Listen Mr. Marve you are in no trouble if you just tell us the truth about what happen at UM.
Did you or anyone you know receive anything they shouldnt from Mr. Shapiro?
Marve: Ya sure whatever. Can I go back to Purdue now and practice? I'm good right?

 

[miamimike]

Are we going to hear anything about the 3 coaches that were trying to get NCAA case against them tossed? Wasn't that supposed to be today?

 

[CaneBoss]

Mandel

It may be that the case never goes that far. It may be that Shalala is just posturing in advance of the school's Committee hearing this summer. And it may be that the Committee takes pity on Miami given its unique circumstances and renders the issues moot.

"My guess is the penalty the institution imposed and the Committee penalty won't be significantly different," said Chuck Smrt, president of The Compliance Group, which represents schools in infractions cases. "I think they'll give them the benefit of the doubt. There will be some mitigating factors, and one of the mitigating circumstances is this staff misconduct."

But it's virtually impossible to predict a Committee on Infractions decision, especially without having seen the Notice of Allegations. Committee members change from case to case, and sanctions are often wildly inconsistent from one case to the next.

"The other possibility is the [Committee] is like, we knew something rotten was going on here for years before, and we're not going to let these bumbling idiots in Indianapolis ***** this up," said Infante. "This is our chance to get our man and show how valuable the Committee on Infractions is. We're serious about taking a continued aggressive stance toward cheaters."

Under normal circumstances, that may well be the correct path the Committee should take, given Miami's alleged institutional culpability in Shapiro's exploits. If they do, however, they risk placing the NCAA in an extended fight with the politically connected Shalala. And they'll do so in an overwhelmingly unsympathetic climate.

Even before this enforcement fiasco, the NCAA had suffered noticeable erosion in confidence, not just publicly but within its membership. Certain university presidents and athletic directors feel alienated from the staff in Indianapolis, where president Mark Emmert and a small cadre of senior advisors seem bent on imposing their will and squashing dissenters. Emmert drew praise for showing transparency with the Miami report but bewilderment over his cavalier insistence on proceeding with the rest of the case, as though tossing out a couple of crooked depositions solved everything.

Hope this turns out to be the case

 

[Chocolate City Cane]

This occurred to me last night.

I've always had something stuck in my craw about the NCAA's use of transferred Miami players as witnesses. It's been said that this was no big deal, because it's legally accepted practice to do the same thing with co-conspirators in a criminal case. There is one very key difference between the two situations, however. Anyone making a sworn statement to law enforcement or a court of law risks purgery charges if caught lying in those statments, correct? This is an incentive to tell the truth, regardless of how the truth is induced.

In an NCAA investigation, there is no incentive for a student-althete who is offered immunity to tell the truth. The incentive is to tell the investigators exactly what they want to hear. I'd be very, very skeptical that the investigators were asking open-ended questions and objectively searching for the truth. They were asking leading questions and conducting a witch-hunt. It's in Bobby Marve's best interest to agree with whatever the **** they want, as long as he knows he's getting immunity. Who was that dude in the Wire who took the wrap for a bunch of murders for a fish sammich? It's like the opposite of that.

Am I wrong?

Have to agree. Asking a few players who where butt hurt by fans or the school cause they were booed or we talked **** about them on these boards questions after saying they are free of any punishment how are you going to get a honest statement out of them?

NCAA: Listen Mr. Marve you are in no trouble if you just tell us the truth about what happen at UM.
Did you or anyone you know receive anything they shouldnt from Mr. Shapiro?
Marve: Ya sure whatever. Can I go back to Purdue now and practice? I'm good right?

There's that, and you also have to worry about the scorned lover angle. Is it silly to think that a guy like Marve, who left on very bad terms, would use this opportunity to get back at the school? I don't know if he did, but it **** sure wouldn't surprise me.

 

[dookie blaylock]

This occurred to me last night.

I've always had something stuck in my craw about the NCAA's use of transferred Miami players as witnesses. It's been said that this was no big deal, because it's legally accepted practice to do the same thing with co-conspirators in a criminal case. There is one very key difference between the two situations, however. Anyone making a sworn statement to law enforcement or a court of law risks purgery charges if caught lying in those statments, correct? This is an incentive to tell the truth, regardless of how the truth is induced.

In an NCAA investigation, there is no incentive for a student-althete who is offered immunity to tell the truth. The incentive is to tell the investigators exactly what they want to hear. I'd be very, very skeptical that the investigators were asking open-ended questions and objectively searching for the truth. They were asking leading questions and conducting a witch-hunt. It's in Bobby Marve's best interest to agree with whatever the **** they want, as long as he knows he's getting immunity. Who was that dude in the Wire who took the wrap for a bunch of murders for a fish sammich? It's like the opposite of that.

Am I wrong?

Have to agree. Asking a few players who where butt hurt by fans or the school cause they were booed or we talked **** about them on these boards questions after saying they are free of any punishment how are you going to get a honest statement out of them?

NCAA: Listen Mr. Marve you are in no trouble if you just tell us the truth about what happen at UM.
Did you or anyone you know receive anything they shouldnt from Mr. Shapiro?
Marve: Ya sure whatever. Can I go back to Purdue now and practice? I'm good right?

There's that, and you also have to worry about the scorned lover angle. Is it silly to think that a guy like Marve, who left on very bad terms, would use this opportunity to get back at the school? I don't know if he did, but it **** sure wouldn't surprise me.

given the fact that the kid is a tremendous douchebag, i'd be more surprised if he didn't.

 

[rudebuddha]

What really sucks is that Georgia got Aaron Murray and we ended up with that *****, Robert Marve.

 

[zacklove]

@ByTimReynolds
AP has learned that NCAA Committee on Infractions will hear motion by 3 former Miami assistant coaches to have their cases dismissed

@ByTimReynolds
AP also learned NCAA Committee on Infractions "insisting" on June hearing for Miami. Investigators wanted July. Call was mostly procedural.

@ByTimReynolds
About to hop on airwaves with @LeBatardShow on 790 The Ticket in Miami.

 

[Problem2]

"CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) -- The NCAA's Committee on Infractions agreed Friday to consider the request of three former Miami assistant coaches who say their individual cases in the Hurricanes' athletic scandal are tainted and should be dismissed, said a person familiar with the situation.
However, it's unclear when the committee will decide, the person told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because all sides agreed not to publicly disclose any information.

Former Miami basketball assistants Jake Morton and Jorge Fernandez, along with former football assistant Aubrey Hill, filed a motion with the committee on Thursday, saying, among other things, that they believe they cannot get a fair hearing because elements of the NCAA's probe of Miami were admittedly botched.
The NCAA committee held a conference call to discuss the motion and other matters, known as "procedural posture."

When the NCAA sent individuals who were named in the allegations their copies of the documentation this week, a letter was included saying that the enforcement staff believed the scheduled June 14-15 dates to hear the Miami case were "unlikely" and that July seemed more reasonable.

Apparently, the infractions committee -- which operates on its own, not with the NCAA's enforcement staff -- disagrees with that assessment. During the procedure portion of Friday's call, sides were instructed to prepare for a June hearing.

"Everyone thinks this has gone on long enough already," the person who spoke with AP said.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...2/ncaa-miami-coaches-motion.ap/#ixzz2LfNk9s7W

 

[nadiamufdi]

I would like to hear what their argument was and not just "their cases are tainted and should be dismissed." Would be very interesting

 

[Consigliere]

I would like to hear what their argument was and not just "their cases are tainted and should be dismissed." Would be very interesting

I think that is the majority of their argument. I think they will also say that considering the source (NS) and the evidence (cash and text messages) that the allegations are untrue from the quality of the source and lack of evidence brought forward.

 

[nadiamufdi]

I would like to hear what their argument was and not just "their cases are tainted and should be dismissed." Would be very interesting

I think that is the majority of their argument. I think they will also say that considering the source (NS) and the evidence (cash and text messages) that the allegations are untrue from the quality of the source and lack of evidence brought forward.

My concern is kids got scared and talked. Ray ray and dye got 4 games for something. I'm sure they sold hurt and hill out.

 

[Ethnicsands]

@ByTimReynolds
AP has learned that NCAA Committee on Infractions will hear motion by 3 former Miami assistant coaches to have their cases dismissed

@ByTimReynolds
AP also learned NCAA Committee on Infractions "insisting" on June hearing for Miami. Investigators wanted July. Call was mostly procedural.

@ByTimReynolds
About to hop on airwaves with @LeBatardShow on 790 The Ticket in Miami.

Why in the world would the investigators want July?

They had 2.5 years to build their case. The ONLY possible reason I can think of is they know they're getting nothing beyond what UM self-imposed, and they just want to drag it all out as long as possible because the delay is, in fact, the real punishment (on top of the self-imposed bans).

**** these people. They are truly corrupt. The NCAA needs to be disbanded. It is not fixable.

 

[Biscuits]

Anyone catch what Reynolds said on LeBatard?

 

[CaneBoss]

@ByTimReynolds
AP has learned that NCAA Committee on Infractions will hear motion by 3 former Miami assistant coaches to have their cases dismissed

@ByTimReynolds
AP also learned NCAA Committee on Infractions "insisting" on June hearing for Miami. Investigators wanted July. Call was mostly procedural.

@ByTimReynolds
About to hop on airwaves with @LeBatardShow on 790 The Ticket in Miami.

Why in the world would the investigators want July?

They had 2.5 years to build their case. The ONLY possible reason I can think of is they know they're getting nothing beyond what UM self-imposed, and they just want to drag it all out as long as possible because the delay is, in fact, the real punishment (on top of the self-imposed bans).

**** these people. They are truly corrupt. The NCAA needs to be disbanded. It is not fixable.

The timetable is such a joke. At this point, the punishment will be announced during the season. So thus a third season and recruiting class affected. My only hope is that Golden can at least tell recruits this cycle exactly what UM expects for sanctions. I know from Golden's interviews post Signing Day, he basically came out and said he couldn't answer the majority of the questions regarding the investigation during this past cycle.

 

[Ethnicsands]

@ByTimReynolds
AP has learned that NCAA Committee on Infractions will hear motion by 3 former Miami assistant coaches to have their cases dismissed

@ByTimReynolds
AP also learned NCAA Committee on Infractions "insisting" on June hearing for Miami. Investigators wanted July. Call was mostly procedural.

@ByTimReynolds
About to hop on airwaves with @LeBatardShow on 790 The Ticket in Miami.

Why in the world would the investigators want July?

They had 2.5 years to build their case. The ONLY possible reason I can think of is they know they're getting nothing beyond what UM self-imposed, and they just want to drag it all out as long as possible because the delay is, in fact, the real punishment (on top of the self-imposed bans).

**** these people. They are truly corrupt. The NCAA needs to be disbanded. It is not fixable.

The timetable is such a joke. At this point, the punishment will be announced during the season. So thus a third season and recruiting class affected. My only hope is that Golden can at least tell recruits this cycle exactly what UM expects for sanctions. I know from Golden's interviews post Signing Day, he basically came out and said he couldn't answer the majority of the questions regarding the investigation during this past cycle.

Hopefully he tells recruits that there will be no further sanctions, and that if the NCAA even tries to go that route, Shalala has assured him she will personally go slashsteel on them to the point where Mark Emmert will just go back to coaching girls jv basketball.