Article: NCAA Charges Miami With Lack of Institutional Control

[CaneBoss]

@ByTimReynolds
AP has learned that NCAA Committee on Infractions will hear motion by 3 former Miami assistant coaches to have their cases dismissed

@ByTimReynolds
AP also learned NCAA Committee on Infractions "insisting" on June hearing for Miami. Investigators wanted July. Call was mostly procedural.

@ByTimReynolds
About to hop on airwaves with @LeBatardShow on 790 The Ticket in Miami.

Why in the world would the investigators want July?

They had 2.5 years to build their case. The ONLY possible reason I can think of is they know they're getting nothing beyond what UM self-imposed, and they just want to drag it all out as long as possible because the delay is, in fact, the real punishment (on top of the self-imposed bans).

**** these people. They are truly corrupt. The NCAA needs to be disbanded. It is not fixable.

The timetable is such a joke. At this point, the punishment will be announced during the season. So thus a third season and recruiting class affected. My only hope is that Golden can at least tell recruits this cycle exactly what UM expects for sanctions. I know from Golden's interviews post Signing Day, he basically came out and said he couldn't answer the majority of the questions regarding the investigation during this past cycle.

Hopefully he tells recruits that there will be no further sanctions, and that if the NCAA even tries to go that route, Shalala has assured him she will personally go slashsteel on them to the point where Mark Emmert will just go back to coaching girls jv basketball.

Hopefully. I just can't wait for the day when "no news is good news." I think Golden was on WQAM and was saying how even when the NCAA came out and announced they were going to investigate themselves, recruits really didn't know the difference, so it did not really change their perceptions that had been bashed into their heads by negative recruiting. You have to wonder if these latest developments are having an impact on the upcoming class in a negative way. I am hoping you are right and he can give them 100% clarity on the situation.

 

[The Franchise]

Anyone get the feeling the fix might be in on this whole thing already? I've been kicking around today the possibility that the NCAA already worked this out secretly within its own organization at the very top. There's a chance that the COI already knows what it's going to do, but they haven't shared it with UM, and probably haven't even shared it with the idiots on the Enforcement side.

If the COI comes out and gives us time served and takes a big stand against the corruption that the Enforcement side engaged in and makes a big public show about how they need sweeping changes in the way they do things on the Enforcement side, then the idiot press will come out and champion the COI for being smart and independent. The COI, by doing the right thing, can stem the public tide that is growing so rapidly against the NCAA. They can hang their hats on the NCAA not being broken in its entirety. Instead, they will claim it's only broken on the Enforcement side, and they will vow to get that fixed.

The alternative presents a much uglier floor for the entire NCAA as an organization. If they dig their heels in on the COI, then UM will certainly tear them apart in court and/or Washington, DC. If they opt for the above-referenced scenario, they can attempt to change the public perception and show that they are about justice and achieving the proper end result even though there were massive bumps in the road getting there.

 

[BG Cane]

Anyone get the feeling the fix might be in on this whole thing already? I've been kicking around today the possibility that the NCAA already worked this out secretly within its own organization at the very top. There's a chance that the COI already knows what it's going to do, but they haven't shared it with UM, and probably haven't even shared it with the idiots on the Enforcement side.

If the COI comes out and gives us time served and takes a big stand against the corruption that the Enforcement side engaged in and makes a big public show about how they need sweeping changes in the way they do things on the Enforcement side, then the idiot press will come out and champion the COI for being smart and independent. The COI, by doing the right thing, can stem the public tide that is growing so rapidly against the NCAA. They can hang their hats on the NCAA not being broken in its entirety. Instead, they will claim it's only broken on the Enforcement side, and they will vow to get that fixed.

The alternative presents a much uglier floor for the entire NCAA as an organization. If they dig their heels in on the COI, then UM will certainly tear them apart in court and/or Washington, DC. If they opt for the above-referenced scenario, they can attempt to change the public perception and show that they are about justice and achieving the proper end result even though there were massive bumps in the road getting there.

Great Post Fran, and I agree that this maybe a show right now.

I still point to the interesting nugget from Tim Reynolds today - The COI has determined that Miami's hearing will go forward in June, not in July as the NCAA investigators had requested. This is on top of today's procedural conference call with the 3 former Miami assistants which in and of itself was highly unusual.

I think the COI's action today was akin to a public rebuke of the NCAA investigators, and indicates that the COI wants this whole issue expedited.

 

[dycane]

Anyone get the feeling the fix might be in on this whole thing already? I've been kicking around today the possibility that the NCAA already worked this out secretly within its own organization at the very top. There's a chance that the COI already knows what it's going to do, but they haven't shared it with UM, and probably haven't even shared it with the idiots on the Enforcement side.

If the COI comes out and gives us time served and takes a big stand against the corruption that the Enforcement side engaged in and makes a big public show about how they need sweeping changes in the way they do things on the Enforcement side, then the idiot press will come out and champion the COI for being smart and independent. The COI, by doing the right thing, can stem the public tide that is growing so rapidly against the NCAA. They can hang their hats on the NCAA not being broken in its entirety. Instead, they will claim it's only broken on the Enforcement side, and they will vow to get that fixed.

The alternative presents a much uglier floor for the entire NCAA as an organization. If they dig their heels in on the COI, then UM will certainly tear them apart in court and/or Washington, DC. If they opt for the above-referenced scenario, they can attempt to change the public perception and show that they are about justice and achieving the proper end result even though there were massive bumps in the road getting there.

I would say it's more probable than not that the fix is in. There's too much at stake for the NCAA. Its existence is on the line. And let me tell you, a successful challenge to the NCAA's authority with respect to this case is one short step removed from a challenge to the entire amateurism model. And that's the last thing anyone within the NCAA wants, including the Presidents than run the member institutions. It's a slippery slope and the NCAA would be wise to avoid it. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if there is a tacit agreement in place with the COI.

 

[The Franchise]

Anyone get the feeling the fix might be in on this whole thing already? I've been kicking around today the possibility that the NCAA already worked this out secretly within its own organization at the very top. There's a chance that the COI already knows what it's going to do, but they haven't shared it with UM, and probably haven't even shared it with the idiots on the Enforcement side.

If the COI comes out and gives us time served and takes a big stand against the corruption that the Enforcement side engaged in and makes a big public show about how they need sweeping changes in the way they do things on the Enforcement side, then the idiot press will come out and champion the COI for being smart and independent. The COI, by doing the right thing, can stem the public tide that is growing so rapidly against the NCAA. They can hang their hats on the NCAA not being broken in its entirety. Instead, they will claim it's only broken on the Enforcement side, and they will vow to get that fixed.

The alternative presents a much uglier floor for the entire NCAA as an organization. If they dig their heels in on the COI, then UM will certainly tear them apart in court and/or Washington, DC. If they opt for the above-referenced scenario, they can attempt to change the public perception and show that they are about justice and achieving the proper end result even though there were massive bumps in the road getting there.

I would say it's more probable than not that the fix is in. There's too much at stake for the NCAA. Its existence is on the line. And let me tell you, a successful challenge to the NCAA's authority with respect to this case is one short step removed from a challenge to the entire amateurism model. And that's the last thing anyone within the NCAA wants, including the Presidents than run the member institutions. It's a slippery slope and the NCAA would be wise to avoid it. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if there is a tacit agreement in place with the COI.

I've seen some of the names on the COI, and it appears that there are much smarter folks on that side than on the Enforcement side. Looks like there are some vets on there, who should be smart enough to see the intense threat that UM poses to the entire organization.

I'm not sure that people realize just how poorly the NCAA's thoroughly corrupt handling of this case will play to a court or to politicians looking to ride the crest of a popular wave. There are dozens of screaming red flags that should jump out to anyone of even reasonable intelligence that should tell them to put a halt to this and stem the tide. There is ZERO upside for the NCAA in taking a hard line here, yet there is the ultimate downside--the entire organization blowing up and a lot of people losing well-paying easy gigs.

 

[AZHurricane]

I'm not sure that people realize just how poorly the NCAA's thoroughly corrupt handling of this case will play to a court or to politicians looking to ride the crest of a popular wave. There are dozens of screaming red flags that should jump out to anyone of even reasonable intelligence that should tell them to put a halt to this and stem the tide. There is ZERO upside for the NCAA in taking a hard line here, yet there is the ultimate downside--the entire organization blowing up and a lot of people losing well-paying easy gigs.

Which is why strong yet not strident statements from Donna and the BOT are important. To keep this out there for the "reasonable intelligence" cohort.

 

[Gennaker Cane]

Thought about that a lot, Chise. But I don't think there is. Instead,. i think the NCAA stubbornly, stupidly, and without a scintilla of common sense is digging its heels in and is ready to fight. THE Committee is totally different, but I don't think they've thought out collectively how to get out of this mess. But Emmert and the enforcement staff appears more like they refuse to acknowledge how poorly this reflects on them, and Emmert in particular is acting like he's afraid to embarrass the infractions committee any further. My thoughts are premised on the truth of Thursday's Barry Jackson article, if that is totally off-base than I'll freely admit that I have no idea. But if he is accurate (i.e., Um thought it was clsoe to a deal with the NCAA only to find out late in the game they were ****ing in the wind while trying to negotiate), My bet is that someone in the NCAA may know there's a problem, but the enforcement staff and Emmert are thinking more like Mark May and still thionk this is a great case. This is a siege mentality, it isn't based on rational thinking, just the fact they are collectively afraid that if they admit they screwed this up so badly nobody will believe any other investigation was done right. Now, the committee is much more likely to look at the big picture and realize that its better to admit to one F up and move on, knowing that losing a real legal or congressional fight with Miami is much more damaging than admitting to mistakes.

 

[The Franchise]

Thought about that a lot, Chise. But I don't think there is. Instead,. i think the NCAA stubbornly, stupidly, and without a scintilla of common sense is digging its heels in and is ready to fight. THE Committee is totally different, but I don't think they've thought out collectively how to get out of this mess. But Emmert and the enforcement staff appears more like they refuse to acknowledge how poorly this reflects on them, and Emmert in particular is acting like he's afraid to embarrass the infractions committee any further. My thoughts are premised on the truth of Thursday's Barry Jackson article, if that is totally off-base than I'll freely admit that I have no idea. But if he is accurate (i.e., Um thought it was clsoe to a deal with the NCAA only to find out late in the game they were ****ing in the wind while trying to negotiate), My bet is that someone in the NCAA may know there's a problem, but the enforcement staff and Emmert are thinking more like Mark May and still thionk this is a great case. This is a siege mentality, it isn't based on rational thinking, just the fact they are collectively afraid that if they admit they screwed this up so badly nobody will believe any other investigation was done right. Now, the committee is much more likely to look at the big picture and realize that its better to admit to one F up and move on, knowing that losing a real legal or congressional fight with Miami is much more damaging than admitting to mistakes.

That's why I think the COI might already know what it's going to do. They're not in the mud with the Enforcement maggots. Instead, most of them are lawyers and school presidents and other seasoned folks. The fake investigators and cowboys on the Enforcement side are a bunch of dolts and/or really young kids fresh out of law school spitting p1ss and vinegar with no real clue of the ramifications of their dirty dealings. I have a feeling the smarter side is the COI side and that they can see the writing on the wall. UM has the hammer now, and it's very apparent that Pres. Shalala knows it and is willing to swing it.

 

[JerseyCanes]

I agree with the "Chise here. Remember - the NCAA would've settle this crap already if they didn't want to look as though they were going against their normal procedures. They figured Let the COI tell them they are off - this way no OTHER school will say we were given any sort of break that other schools didn't get the privilege of having.

Plus the COI has just given a big **** you to the NCAA and that July hearing and said - We'll do this **** in June... LOL. The COI knows whats up

JC

 

[nadiamufdi]

Jersey - I think the big puck you would've had this go to the COI in March, and say "you've had 2.5 years on this. Enough is enough"

 

[Jonnyblaze]

I agree with the "Chise here. Remember - the NCAA would've settle this crap already if they didn't want to look as though they were going against their normal procedures. They figured Let the COI tell them they are off - this way no OTHER school will say we were given any sort of break that other schools didn't get the privilege of having.

Plus the COI has just given a big **** you to the NCAA and that July hearing and said - We'll do this **** in June... LOL. The COI knows whats up

JC

Definitely agree with this angle. The COI riding in on the white horse to allow the NCAA to save some face is the best exit strategy for the NCAA.

 

[miamimike]

Jersey - I think the big puck you would've had this go to the COI in March, and say "you've had 2.5 years on this. Enough is enough"

this^^^^. June is better than July but dam. When Donna is ready they should make themselves available within a week.

 

[miamimike]

Franchise u r the man. Really enjoy your post. You r always on the money. Thanks

 

[PUNCICANE]

I'm guessing that we're definitely going to be hearing some news today about the conference call. And i believe the result of the news will be very telling.

If the COI continues the prideful hardline stance that the NCAA has taken, then i believe we will hear even more urgency in Shalala's stance against the NCAA.

On the other hand if the call goes favorably for us and the COI communicates that it's willing work with us on finding a resolution that will agreeable to both parties, then i think we will definitely hear about it because the NCAA is starving for some good press. As Franchise stated above, the COI peeps will be looking to separate themselves from the mess the Enforcement investigators created.


i pray its the latter

 

[The Franchise]

Jersey - I think the big puck you would've had this go to the COI in March, and say "you've had 2.5 years on this. Enough is enough"

Problem is that maybe not everyone could have prepped their reply to the NOA that quickly. If everyone agreed to waive the 90 day reply time and jump in there in March, then you're right that they should have done it in March. I have this feeling in my gut that the COI will position itself as the NCAA's savior here. It's really their only smart play available. If they heel dig and **** off Don Donna, then they're in for a world of hurt and maybe all those folks with cushy jobs eventually lose them when the NCAA goes the way of the dodo bird.

 

[Jonnyblaze]

Jersey - I think the big puck you would've had this go to the COI in March, and say "you've had 2.5 years on this. Enough is enough"

Problem is that maybe not everyone could have prepped their reply to the NOA that quickly. If everyone agreed to waive the 90 day reply time and jump in there in March, then you're right that they should have done it in March. I have this feeling in my gut that the COI will position itself as the NCAA's savior here. It's really their only smart play available. If they heel dig and **** off Don Donna, then they're in for a world of hurt and maybe all those folks with cushy jobs eventually lose them when the NCAA goes the way of the dodo bird.

I'm proposing that "Don Donna" be officially indoctrinated into WEZ vernacular.

Not that anyone on this board gives a ****, but Pete Carroll says NCAA is full of **** too. The more people that speak out, the better.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/bruce-feldman/21753050/carroll-says-something-has-to-be-done-about-out-of-whack-ncaa-system-

 

[nadiamufdi]

Jersey - I think the big puck you would've had this go to the COI in March, and say "you've had 2.5 years on this. Enough is enough"

Problem is that maybe not everyone could have prepped their reply to the NOA that quickly. If everyone agreed to waive the 90 day reply time and jump in there in March, then you're right that they should have done it in March. I have this feeling in my gut that the COI will position itself as the NCAA's savior here. It's really their only smart play available. If they heel dig and **** off Don Donna, then they're in for a world of hurt and maybe all those folks with cushy jobs eventually lose them when the NCAA goes the way of the dodo bird.

Good point. Something tells me **** hurt was busy trashing his alma mater to recruits nod not preparing his case

 

[FullyERicht]

Who exactly are they looking to punish for lack of institutional control?

Neither head coach was charged with any serious issue.

None of the current players, coaches, or the AD committed a single infraction.

Are they charging Shalala herself for an infraction?

People like Mark may say in broad terms to "punish Miami". Miami is a city and a school. Do they want to punish Mahoney Pearson residence hall? Perhaps They should punish the Rat?

Let's say a school got charged with LOIC and was given a two year bowl ban, visit reductions, and scholly limits, as well as scores of player suspensions. Well, that's what we ALREADY GOT. Who or what is left to punish?

 

[fastcane]

Anyone get the feeling the fix might be in on this whole thing already? I've been kicking around today the possibility that the NCAA already worked this out secretly within its own organization at the very top. There's a chance that the COI already knows what it's going to do, but they haven't shared it with UM, and probably haven't even shared it with the idiots on the Enforcement side.

If the COI comes out and gives us time served and takes a big stand against the corruption that the Enforcement side engaged in and makes a big public show about how they need sweeping changes in the way they do things on the Enforcement side, then the idiot press will come out and champion the COI for being smart and independent. The COI, by doing the right thing, can stem the public tide that is growing so rapidly against the NCAA. They can hang their hats on the NCAA not being broken in its entirety. Instead, they will claim it's only broken on the Enforcement side, and they will vow to get that fixed.

The alternative presents a much uglier floor for the entire NCAA as an organization. If they dig their heels in on the COI, then UM will certainly tear them apart in court and/or Washington, DC. If they opt for the above-referenced scenario, they can attempt to change the public perception and show that they are about justice and achieving the proper end result even though there were massive bumps in the road getting there.

I would say it's more probable than not that the fix is in. There's too much at stake for the NCAA. Its existence is on the line. And let me tell you, a successful challenge to the NCAA's authority with respect to this case is one short step removed from a challenge to the entire amateurism model. And that's the last thing anyone within the NCAA wants, including the Presidents than run the member institutions. It's a slippery slope and the NCAA would be wise to avoid it. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if there is a tacit agreement in place with the COI.

That would mean no law suit after the fact?

 

[PUNCICANE]

Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe
The NCAA's Executive Committee has reaffirmed its confidence in the leadership of President Mark Emmert


NCAA Executive Committee is demanding a thorough examination and improvement of processes, policies, procedures and investigative tools.

MSU's Dr. Lou Anna Simon: "Mark Emmert was hired to lead a major transformation of the NCAA. Much has been accomplished without fanfare."

Dr. Simon says: "...the road to transformational change is often bumpy and occasionally controversial."
The NCAA Executive Committee (powerful presidents) discussed the Miami situation and Mark Emmert on Friday.

Dr. Simon: "We demand the highest level of integrity and accountability not only from our peers but also from the national office."