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Article: NCAA Charges Miami With Lack of Institutional Control

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"Hurtt, who played at Miami, was a Hurricanes assistant for eight seasons between 2001-09. He faces the ethical conduct charge known as NCAA Rule 10.1. The NCAA also believes he sent about 40 impermissible text messages to recruits, which typically is a secondary violation.

Jurich did not comment on the NCAA letter, saying that he hasn't had a chance to go through it ''piece by piece'' and doesn't know everything that's in it. But he said Hurtt is disputing many of the charges.

The Associated Press has reported that the NCAA alleges Hurtt provided meals, transportation and lodging to a small number of recruits, current players, or both. He was interviewed by the NCAA during the probe and allegedly denied providing those extra benefits, statements the NCAA said were contradicted by players."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/louisville-ad-hurtt-remain-cardinals-003327616--ncaaf.html

lol they don't have **** man

OH NO HE FED THEM DINNER SHOW CLAUSE SHOW CLAUSE
 
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this is getting ridiculous. OH NOEZ he gave a dude a ride in a car, some food, and texted 40 times. I keep waiting for something that they actually uncovered that would possibly justify what we have been through so far. Needless to say, still waitin..
 
zacklove said:
news on the coaches wanting case tossed

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-3-former-miami-coaches-want-case-tossed
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"The case that will be presented on behalf of Hill, Morton and Fernandez is also expected to include the assertion that since the NCAA cooperated with Shapiro attorney Maria Elena Perez — who deposed two witnesses that the NCAA wanted to hear from as part of her client's bankruptcy case and used subpoena power to do so, a tool the association does not have in its ****nal — that fraud was also perpetrated on the bankruptcy court."

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I know with the turtle pace that the NCAA goes about things nothing will decided on probably even commented on tomorrow, but **** I hope this just starts a whole chain of reactions in blowing this whole thing up
 
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Problem2 said:
zacklove said:
news on the coaches wanting case tossed

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-3-former-miami-coaches-want-case-tossed
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"The case that will be presented on behalf of Hill, Morton and Fernandez is also expected to include the assertion that since the NCAA cooperated with Shapiro attorney Maria Elena Perez — who deposed two witnesses that the NCAA wanted to hear from as part of her client's bankruptcy case and used subpoena power to do so, a tool the association does not have in its ****nal — that fraud was also perpetrated on the bankruptcy court."

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Yup. That's the doozy.
 
Problem2 said:
zacklove said:
news on the coaches wanting case tossed

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-3-former-miami-coaches-want-case-tossed
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"The case that will be presented on behalf of Hill, Morton and Fernandez is also expected to include the assertion that since the NCAA cooperated with Shapiro attorney Maria Elena Perez — who deposed two witnesses that the NCAA wanted to hear from as part of her client's bankruptcy case and used subpoena power to do so, a tool the association does not have in its ****nal — that fraud was also perpetrated on the bankruptcy court."

Most important part IMO
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Here's what I said about the matter, but on the issue of ethical violations on the part of Maria Elena Perez:

minus13 said:
1/23/13

If Ms. Perez used her subpoena power to call depositions immaterial to her bankruptcy case for the sole purpose of gaining profit - that is a clear ethical violation (and maybe even a misdemeanor for abuse of process). At a minimum, she would have had to disclose the purpose of the deposition to some extent. If the deponent showed up thinking they were answering questions about bankruptcy proceedings when, in fact, it was a ploy to illicit information from individuals who refused to speak to the NCAA, that would be a clear ethical violation. An attorney can't subpoena a deponent with the heading or caption of a filed action when in fact the attorney is subversively trying to illicit information on an unrelated matter while being paid to do it.
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Wow

"As if the NCAA hasn’t done enough already to aggravate UM, add this to the list: Last week, UM and the NCAA engaged in serious settlement talks, and several UM people expected a deal because president Mark Emmert seemed initially supportive. UM wanted a settlement and likely would have accepted modest scholarship reductions.

But a source said the NCAA then informed UM there would be no deal and suggested to UM the enforcement staff and two key boards were against it because of concerns about “not deviating from the rules.”

### Also, UM tried to convince the NCAA to not use the words “lack of institutional control” – and was hopeful at one point it might be changed to the less serious “failure to monitor” – but the NCAA wouldn’t back down."
 
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Problem2 said:
Wow

"As if the NCAA hasn’t done enough already to aggravate UM, add this to the list: Last week, UM and the NCAA engaged in serious settlement talks, and several UM people expected a deal because president Mark Emmert seemed initially supportive. UM wanted a settlement and likely would have accepted modest scholarship reductions.

But a source said the NCAA then informed UM there would be no deal and suggested to UM the enforcement staff and two key boards were against it because of concerns about “not deviating from the rules.”

### Also, UM tried to convince the NCAA to not use the words “lack of institutional control” – and was hopeful at one point it might be changed to the less serious “failure to monitor” – but the NCAA wouldn’t back down."
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No surprise there.
 
minus13 said:
Here's what I said about the matter, but on the issue of ethical violations on the part of Maria Elena Perez:

minus13 said:
1/23/13

If Ms. Perez used her subpoena power to call depositions immaterial to her bankruptcy case for the sole purpose of gaining profit - that is a clear ethical violation (and maybe even a misdemeanor for abuse of process). At a minimum, she would have had to disclose the purpose of the deposition to some extent. If the deponent showed up thinking they were answering questions about bankruptcy proceedings when, in fact, it was a ploy to illicit information from individuals who refused to speak to the NCAA, that would be a clear ethical violation. An attorney can't subpoena a deponent with the heading or caption of a filed action when in fact the attorney is subversively trying to illicit information on an unrelated matter while being paid to do it.
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Good post. I hope she rots.
 
Consigliere said:
http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/noacover_021913_miamifl_haith.pdf

http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/noa_021913_miamifl_haithmissouri.pdf

http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/bdeaton_noaltr_021913_missourimiami_haith.pdf

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/02/2...ith-released-by-missouri/#.USbKO47tQtA.mailto
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So the NCAA intends to prove that it was in bed not only with a financial fraudster, ponzi schemer, low self esteem having, jock sniffing, wannabe big shot, but now also a blackmailer. Nice.

That's a pretty serious charge against Haith, but I wonder what the proof is? If Haith and Morton denied it, absent the payment being traceable, it would seem that the proof would involve word of mouth. I wonder if this allegation is one of those that involves Shapiro saying it twice?
 
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" In addition, please email a copy of your response in
Microsoft Word or Word Perfect format to Mr. McGormley (jmcgormley@ncaa.org) and Mason
Pike, assistant director of enforcement/operations manager (mwpike@ncaa.org"


I hope Haith mails it as a .pdf or notepad file in wingdings font.
 
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weownfsu said:
" In addition, please email a copy of your response in
Microsoft Word or Word Perfect format to Mr. McGormley (jmcgormley@ncaa.org) and Mason
Pike, assistant director of enforcement/operations manager (mwpike@ncaa.org"


I hope Haith mails it as a .pdf or notepad file.
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Time to crank up the fake Frank Haiths and send a few responses to the above emails.
 
dycane said:
weownfsu said:
" In addition, please email a copy of your response in
Microsoft Word or Word Perfect format to Mr. McGormley (jmcgormley@ncaa.org) and Mason
Pike, assistant director of enforcement/operations manager (mwpike@ncaa.org"


I hope Haith mails it as a .pdf or notepad file.
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Time to crank up the fake Frank Haiths and send a few responses to the above emails.
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Sounds like a job for a certain someone in the wez.......
 
Ethnicsands said:
scrantoncane said:
kmwcane said:
Ethnicsands said:
LuCane said:
They answer to the world and the rest of college football. And, the way they answer is that, if they **** us, no one will ever cooperate with an NCAA investigation again. There'd be no reason or incentive to do anything but stall, stonewall or outright lie.
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And yet i got attacked all day for saying maybe the cooperation strategy we pursued wasnt an unmitigated success. I'd guess Donna Shalala herself regrets it, yet her sycophants here see her every action as beyond flawless.
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But what good would an adversarial approach done right off the bat? And what harm has been done by cooperating up until this point?

I'm not sure how the outcome would have been any different if UM and Shalala had come out swinging like they have now. I'm not saying the course of cooperation is an "umitigated success", but I don't see how other course of action would have been better to this point. They were cooperative up until the point they learned about the NCAA's malfeasance. Seems like a prudent approach to a situation to me.
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+1.

I respect Ethnic as a poster, but he has been on a rant all week and just way off base. Gotta look at the big picture. Obviously we had some of this info, and obviously Donna thought she could get it settled. When she realized she couldnt, the gloves came off. Timing was perfect.

One big factor being overlooked by many is the desperate attempt of Emerett to keep his job. I think that is what is ******** the settlement up. The only possible way he can save face is to win in front of the COI. Yes, the NCAA has egg on its face, but Emerett (to a lesser extent than now) doesnt.

He is the man in charge, and he is trying to throw as many people under the bus as he can to get himself out of this. But if the milk is sour, Donna aint the type **** to drink it.
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That's just bull ****. I haven't been on a rant at all. I have just disputed those who insist that DS has somehow played this all like a genius. I'm not so sure she herself thinks her card playing to date has worked as anticipated. She's ****ed for a reason, after all.

And your description of what is 'obvious' is quite obviously uninformed, which is funny. There is no chance she thought this would be 'settled.' There is no precedent for the NCAA enforcement staff 'settling' charges. Just not something that happens. She's ****ed because the charges are not insignificant, and the NCAA's process for arriving at them was pathetic. Yet when you understand who screwed up the NCAA is, you might also realize why going out of your way to cooperate is not a great strategy.
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Not to call you out, but according to Barry Jackson's new column, Donna thought she had it settled. If you reread my posts throughout the thread, they have been pretty spot on.

That all water over the bridge though. The remarks from the Senator, the positive treatment from the press....Donna has this **** under control. First time I have ever used this phrase: we skate.
 
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