Article: NCAA Charges Miami With Lack of Institutional Control

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Keep in mind that just because we have UP TO 90 days to file our response to the NOA doesn't mean we have to take the whole 90 days. We could bang it out a whole lot quicker than that depending on how motivated President Shalala is. Based upon the fire she's been spitting, I'd say we'll get it in prior to the 90 day limit.
 
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To those complaining about the June hearing date: We have 90 days to respond. June is about as good as it can get. And as far as an October resolution date, that shouldnt hurt recruiting at all, considering signing day is in Feb (assuming we dont get more sanctions, of course).

Nothing about the timeline released today is bad. I'm glad we can finally see daylight.

If this drags through the summer, as it sounds like it will, that will impact recruiting. A lot of recruiting is done over the summer. That's when staffs can spend time with kids at camps, and have less day to day to focus on than in the fall during the season. If this summer like the past several opposing coaches can tell prospects about how the U will get hammered, etc., and tell their parents about 'lack of institutional control', that will hurt us. We may make up the ground later, but don't kid yourself about this. It's shaping up to be an uphill battle for another long while. And if the U has to appeal the COI decision, it's an entire nother recruiting season....

****.

Agree about it will hurt if we have to appeal, which is why I said "assuming we don't get more sanctions."

Every year we watch kids flip up until and including signing day. If you think a coach negative recruiting us in July about getting hammered with sanctions will hurt us in Feb if we get off in October with no sanctions, you are kidding yourself.

Not sure what you are so ****ed off at this week, but you are losing your grip on reality.

My grip on reality? Hombre, you're the one with a problem if that's something that makes sense for you to say in this exchange. You sound like a an arrogant prick.

I simply stated and explained a view of the impact of the remaining months of this process on our recruiting. If you disagree, so be it. I'm not telling you you're a dumb **** for disagreeing with me. But I will say I've followed recruiting for a long time, and my view is in fact quite reasonable. While many kids stay undecided until late in the year, others commit early and stick. And momentum can be very important in building and holding a class together -- as we saw negatively last season for us -- the pending investigation led to little momentum and a very disappointing fishing on NSD. I'm not claiming AG won't plow on and recover to an extent, but, to borrow your phrasing, if you think our recruiting class will be the same if we were free and clear right now compared to if we're still waiting for a decision into October, then you're the one who's kidding yourself. Have a good evening.

Didnt mean for you to get all butthurt about it.

We have 90 days to file a response to the NOA. That puts us at 5/21/13. We just heard that the hearing date is 3 weeks later. Obviously the NCAA and COI will (rightfully) get a chance to review our response. You aren't going to do much better than getting a hearing 3 weeks out from a quasi-legal due date.

Answer and penalties by September or October. Would I like it to be faster? Of course I would. But this investigation has lasted 2.5 years, and the hearing is obviously going to be confrontational, for lack of a better word. Both parties will present their cases, a ruling needs to be made, and a decision (which will have serious implications on precedent) needs to be written. I think Sept or Oct is reasonable.

What does that mean for recruiting? All I am saying is we were in it for a lot of big names this year, and it appears we lost out in January/February, after a so-so season. That was before we knew of the NCAA blunders or received the NOA.

Now, we have an end date in sight. Just can't see how we can still be negatively recruited. If we win on the field this year, and we have our penalties set in stone (which, when taking into account what we did already self imposition-wise, is almost certainly better than the uncertainty we faced this recruiting season), I don't think it has a negative impact. And to the extent it does, we are definitely better off with the timeline we now have then we were a week ago when we didnt know ****.

Not sure how you can argue with this, short of saying you want the COI to meet us this weekend and give us our penalties.
We really got crushed by negative recruiting last year. Worst I've seen in following recruiting for a looong time. It cost us all momentum last summer, and put us in the position to need to get lucky at the finish line, which is never a good thing, and tends not to work out all that well. We did okay with a small class, but things would have been much different, IMO, if we had not had the cloud over us last summer, when all the kids are traveling around to camps and combines and 7 on 7s and the like and comparing notes.

I have no doubt it'll happen against this year, right up until the thing is resolved. I'm not saying it's a death knell by any means, but we will still be dispelling myths all summer and kids will be unsure who to believe. Ideally you'd use the summer to build momentum and start to set the framework for a great class. Maybe we'll do that anyway this year, but we'll still be fighting with one arm tied behind our back until the NCAA thing is resolved.

I'm not arguing about the time-line, either. At all. I simply noted that it's still going to be a cloud over recruiting for some time.
 
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Keep in mind that just because we have UP TO 90 days to file our response to the NOA doesn't mean we have to take the whole 90 days. We could bang it out a whole lot quicker than that depending on how motivated President Shalala is. Based upon the fire she's been spitting, I'd say we'll get it in prior to the 90 day limit.

I think the lawyers already probably had most of the responses prepped and typed up. The main thing is once they receive our response, they usually take about 2 months to convene. That is the part I hope is expedited.
 
Keep in mind that just because we have UP TO 90 days to file our response to the NOA doesn't mean we have to take the whole 90 days. We could bang it out a whole lot quicker than that depending on how motivated President Shalala is. Based upon the fire she's been spitting, I'd say we'll get it in prior to the 90 day limit.

I don't think the COI meets whenever they want. Pretty sure they have set periods of time. So either way Miami will have to wait to get this crap done.
 
Keep in mind that just because we have UP TO 90 days to file our response to the NOA doesn't mean we have to take the whole 90 days. We could bang it out a whole lot quicker than that depending on how motivated President Shalala is. Based upon the fire she's been spitting, I'd say we'll get it in prior to the 90 day limit.

I don't think the COI meets whenever they want. Pretty sure they have set periods of time. So either way Miami will have to wait to get this crap done.

I realize that. Folks, however, are claiming that it will be in July instead of June because the 90 day response period for UM will not give the ncaa enough time to prepare by the June meeting date. However, if we get the response in well prior to the 90 days elapsing, the ncaa will have plenty of time to digest the materials and proceed in June.
 
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I thought I read somewhere that the COI is going to have a conference call tomorrow with the university on items?
 
Keep in mind that just because we have UP TO 90 days to file our response to the NOA doesn't mean we have to take the whole 90 days. We could bang it out a whole lot quicker than that depending on how motivated President Shalala is. Based upon the fire she's been spitting, I'd say we'll get it in prior to the 90 day limit.

I don't think the COI meets whenever they want. Pretty sure they have set periods of time. So either way Miami will have to wait to get this crap done.

I realize that. Folks, however, are claiming that it will be in July instead of June because the 90 day response period for UM will not give the ncaa enough time to prepare by the June meeting date. However, if we get the response in well prior to the 90 days elapsing, the ncaa will have plenty of time to digest the materials and proceed in June.

Oh I see. My fault
 
The whole thing from beginning to end turned out to be a complete joke. From the yahoo article to the investigation to the NOA. The whole thing was plain useless and dumb. Used washers and dryers? The sad part is, a whole bunch of innocent people from coaches to players got hurt during this whole process. When you step back and actually look at this whole thing all you can do is shake your head in disguist.
 
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Perez said no one from the NCAA ever told her the arrangement violated NCAA rules, or she wouldn't have done it. She said she believes the NCAA’s wrongful conduct was imputed to her.

"I think I have more than enough information and evidence to show that I was led down the primrose path. No one ever told me, we've had a problem,” she said.

Perez said the NCAA damaged her reputation when it said that “evidence was obtained illegally.”

“For me, the term illegally means illegal, that somebody broke a law, a law, a statute, and nobody broke a law and nobody broke a statute,” she said.

Perez said she intends to exercise her legal rights to get the remaining money she is owed by the NCAA.

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I hate to say it, but she may be correct in this case.
 
"Not sure how you can argue with this, short of saying you want the COI to meet us this weekend and give us our penalties." This would be ideal because whose to say the COI won't force an appeal to drag this out? I have similar concerns to previous poster.
 
Perez said no one from the NCAA ever told her the arrangement violated NCAA rules, or she wouldn't have done it. She said she believes the NCAA’s wrongful conduct was imputed to her.

"I think I have more than enough information and evidence to show that I was led down the primrose path. No one ever told me, we've had a problem,” she said.

Perez said the NCAA damaged her reputation when it said that “evidence was obtained illegally.”

“For me, the term illegally means illegal, that somebody broke a law, a law, a statute, and nobody broke a law and nobody broke a statute,” she said.

Perez said she intends to exercise her legal rights to get the remaining money she is owed by the NCAA.

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I hate to say it, but she may be correct in this case.

Using a bankruptcy hearing to interrogate somebody about UM recruiting practices is in fact illegal if Im not mistaken. You cant use a bankruptcy hearing for your own purposes. They were asking about what Golden was doing, and he was hired after the rat was in jail. Somebody with more of a law background could probably explain it better than I can.
 
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I wonder if the COI would consider summary disposition at this point. Friday's call should be interesting.
 
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"On Wednesday, I asked the NCAA for a response to Miami president Donna Shalala's statement before I wrote this piece. On Thursday morning, the NCAA sent me the following response from Bob Williams, vice president of communications:

Like any investigative process, the NCAA enforcement team routinely makes credibility determinations regarding testimony and other data or information. Beyond the issues subject to the Cadwalder investigation and report, we do not intend to comment on the specifics of the evidence in the Miami case.

The NCAA Committee on Infractions, an independent membership committee, will review the case and evidence and make ultimate determinations on how the case will move forward."
 
"On Wednesday, I asked the NCAA for a response to Miami president Donna Shalala's statement before I wrote this piece. On Thursday morning, the NCAA sent me the following response from Bob Williams, vice president of communications:

Like any investigative process, the NCAA enforcement team routinely makes credibility determinations regarding testimony and other data or information. Beyond the issues subject to the Cadwalder investigation and report, we do not intend to comment on the specifics of the evidence in the Miami case.

The NCAA Committee on Infractions, an independent membership committee, will review the case and evidence and make ultimate determinations on how the case will move forward."

LULZ at "independent". They're independent just like the Cadwalder sham investigation was independent.
 
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