Article: NCAA Charges Miami With Lack of Institutional Control

[stormsurge]

Perez said no one from the NCAA ever told her the arrangement violated NCAA rules, or she wouldn't have done it. She said she believes the NCAA’s wrongful conduct was imputed to her.

"I think I have more than enough information and evidence to show that I was led down the primrose path. No one ever told me, we've had a problem,” she said.

Perez said the NCAA damaged her reputation when it said that “evidence was obtained illegally.”

“For me, the term illegally means illegal, that somebody broke a law, a law, a statute, and nobody broke a law and nobody broke a statute,” she said.

Perez said she intends to exercise her legal rights to get the remaining money she is owed by the NCAA.

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we may yet learn a lot more about their dirty dealings. NCAA can't pay her off now or else it'll look like, well, a pay off, can they?

She's truly more vapid than I thought if she actually believes that perpetrating a fraud on the bankruptcy court by arranging and taking depositions that have nothing to do with the pending bankruptcy isn't illegal. And if she needs the ncaa to tell her that what she was doing was wrong, then she just admitted to the Bar that she's incompetent to practice.

'Chise, she seems to have a history of this.

http://www.flsd.uscourts.gov/wp-content/uploads/adminOrders/2010/2010-51.pdf

 

[Consigliere]

“Listen, I play by the rules,” Perez said. “Had I been doing something wrong, I’m sure I would have gotten a call from the bankruptcy court. I understand he’s (Shapiro) is in jail for a Ponzi scheme, but a lot of the reason he is there is because of his good nature.”

F*ck that pig kuntface

Time bomb. Send that to King Emmert, so he can revel in how smart his attorney is. Instant bubble guts for that stuffed shirt ******.

P.S. The bankruptcy court had no idea what she was up to when she was perpetrating a fraud on that court. They do now. And she'll likely hear from them in due time.

This is what we can hope for. Once I read the deposition in the herald, I was amazed how no one stopped it due to a waste of limited resources and irrelevancy. This guys bilked investors for almost a billion dollars, you think creditors care about some BS behinana dinners? Oh no some midget is buying used appliances, let's waste $10000s investigating.

 

[Consigliere]

Someone else on another board raised a good point about this $4500 for the malignant dwarf's prison phone bill. Even at the rate of $0.30/minute (which seems like a lot), that's over 13,000 minutes or 5 solid hours a day each day for 40+ days. Doesn't seem likely they truly talked that much.

If you study the wording of the NCAA's release on the subject, they never stated that it was for his phone bill. They said that the payment was made to a commissary account "from which he could pay his phone bill". In other words, the amount not used to pay his phone bill could be used on anything he wanted. They paid a convicted liar, confidence man, who owes creditors hundreds of millions of dollars to be their witness in what was obviously their and his shared agenda to bring down UM.

They became partners with this convicted liar who bilked innocent people out of a billion dollars. Let that sink in. They were paying this sawed off scumbag, who openly admitted to them that it was his intent to bring UM down. Does that sound legit to anyone?

I wonder how those creditors who that **** owes millions too feel about the ncaa 1) paying him, which should be going directly to them and 2) making his jail sentence extra special with a large spending account for fun stuff

Is the estate closed?

Good point. Way to rain on my parade counselor

There is that but I was hoping the trustee would make a claim to this transfer. I was hoping that they would continue to take every dime he had.

 

[nadiamufdi]

If you study the wording of the NCAA's release on the subject, they never stated that it was for his phone bill. They said that the payment was made to a commissary account "from which he could pay his phone bill". In other words, the amount not used to pay his phone bill could be used on anything he wanted. They paid a convicted liar, confidence man, who owes creditors hundreds of millions of dollars to be their witness in what was obviously their and his shared agenda to bring down UM.

They became partners with this convicted liar who bilked innocent people out of a billion dollars. Let that sink in. They were paying this sawed off scumbag, who openly admitted to them that it was his intent to bring UM down. Does that sound legit to anyone?

I wonder how those creditors who that **** owes millions too feel about the ncaa 1) paying him, which should be going directly to them and 2) making his jail sentence extra special with a large spending account for fun stuff

Is the estate closed?

Good point. Way to rain on my parade counselor

There is that but I was hoping the trustee would make a claim to this transfer. I was hoping that they would continue to take every dime he had.

I had that rat f*ck has to use all that money so he doesnt get banged in the butt every shower, and then they still rape him for good measure

 

[Consigliere]

I wonder how those creditors who that **** owes millions too feel about the ncaa 1) paying him, which should be going directly to them and 2) making his jail sentence extra special with a large spending account for fun stuff

Is the estate closed?

Good point. Way to rain on my parade counselor

There is that but I was hoping the trustee would make a claim to this transfer. I was hoping that they would continue to take every dime he had.

I had that rat f*ck has to use all that money so he doesnt get banged in the butt every shower, and then they still rape him for good measure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq_TwfHzaAQ

 

[scrantoncane]

To those complaining about the June hearing date: We have 90 days to respond. June is about as good as it can get. And as far as an October resolution date, that shouldnt hurt recruiting at all, considering signing day is in Feb (assuming we dont get more sanctions, of course).

Nothing about the timeline released today is bad. I'm glad we can finally see daylight.

 

[Ethnicsands]

It truly seems like the NCAA really has nothing on us but a bunch of ticky tack fouls that were corroborated either half-assed or obtained with what would be deemed illegal or done with some sort of misconduct. And, because they really don't have much that would hold up if taken to a higher authority, the process to drag out the investigation and subsequent discussion on "punishment" seems purposeful as punishment before being declared guilty.

Silly ****.

Still can't believed they got hit with a 57K tab from a lawyer they were using to obtain information illegally to nail a University for under 40K in total alleged "benefits"...the money Jacory Harris, Sean Spence, Marcus Forston, Olivier Vernon, Dyron Dye, and Ray Ray Armstrong had to "pay back" in total comes in at less than the NCAA paid Nevin Shapiro to state something twice.

Oy vey.

This is a good point. It's what's known as 'street justice' -- where cops pound a dude then dump him in prison for the weekend, and even if the courts let him out without charge or guilt, he's been 'punished'. We got hung out to dry here.

Also, the total cost to the NCAA of this investigation is easily into the 7 figures.

 

[Ethnicsands]

if DS is meeting DWS in public then she knows **** well that someone is going to notice this and report it. She could've communicated with DWS in private or by phone. That she did it in public at a well visited prominent restaurant imho sends a message to.....you know who.

True, but risky. Political pressure isn't easily applied here. And there are plenty of other institutions with political heft involved in the NCAA also. If you imply you can bring DC down on the NCAA, you could well cause them to dig in out of principle.

 

[Ethnicsands]

To those complaining about the June hearing date: We have 90 days to respond. June is about as good as it can get. And as far as an October resolution date, that shouldnt hurt recruiting at all, considering signing day is in Feb (assuming we dont get more sanctions, of course).

Nothing about the timeline released today is bad. I'm glad we can finally see daylight.

If this drags through the summer, as it sounds like it will, that will impact recruiting. A lot of recruiting is done over the summer. That's when staffs can spend time with kids at camps, and have less day to day to focus on than in the fall during the season. If this summer like the past several opposing coaches can tell prospects about how the U will get hammered, etc., and tell their parents about 'lack of institutional control', that will hurt us. We may make up the ground later, but don't kid yourself about this. It's shaping up to be an uphill battle for another long while. And if the U has to appeal the COI decision, it's an entire nother recruiting season....

****.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Someone else on another board raised a good point about this $4500 for the malignant dwarf's prison phone bill. Even at the rate of $0.30/minute (which seems like a lot), that's over 13,000 minutes or 5 solid hours a day each day for 40+ days. Doesn't seem likely they truly talked that much.

If you study the wording of the NCAA's release on the subject, they never stated that it was for his phone bill. They said that the payment was made to a commissary account "from which he could pay his phone bill". In other words, the amount not used to pay his phone bill could be used on anything he wanted. They paid a convicted liar, confidence man, who owes creditors hundreds of millions of dollars to be their witness in what was obviously their and his shared agenda to bring down UM.

They became partners with this convicted liar who bilked innocent people out of a billion dollars. Let that sink in. They were paying this sawed off scumbag, who openly admitted to them that it was his intent to bring UM down. Does that sound legit to anyone?

This is astute.

They really greased the skids here. I'm pretty surprised Emmert hasn't resigned yet. He is going to go from incompetent manager to true scumbag as this plays out.

 

[CaneDaddy]

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs Shapiro's controversial "self-corroboration" and other notes from the Miami investigation. http://cbsprt.co/ZiqrPN

 

[Problem2]

"he NCAA enforcement staff used a previously unknown interview technique referred to by one source as “self-corroboration” in the Miami case.

Well, it's not really an interview technique. Judging from the early reaction, it's unheard of. Given the tainted nature of the case, the NCAA better be sure on this one.

Essentially, self-corroboration allowed a subject – in this case Nevin Shapiro – to merely repeat testimony for it to be accepted into the record. Miami president Donna Shalala referred to it Tuesday night in her scathing statement regarding the notice of allegations received by the school.

“The NCAA enforcement staff acknowledged to the University that if Nevin Shapiro, a convicted con man, said something more than once, it considered the allegation "corroborated"—an argument which is both ludicrous and counter to legal practice.”

A source close to the investigation attempted to clarify: “You tell me a bunch of [stuff] today and repeat it again tomorrow … It's a concept only in their [NCAA's] minds. It's the first time anyone has heard of it.”

The NCAA has previously used the testimony of convicted felons. Perhaps unpalatable but not anything new. The testimony of felon Lloyd Lake helped take down USC in the Reggie Bush case. However, if the NCAA is using Shapiro as a single source on some or all of its allegations, Miami is going to have a heck of a case for an appeal. Especially considering the scrutiny this case is getting."

LOL

Cot **** ridiculous

 

[scrantoncane]

To those complaining about the June hearing date: We have 90 days to respond. June is about as good as it can get. And as far as an October resolution date, that shouldnt hurt recruiting at all, considering signing day is in Feb (assuming we dont get more sanctions, of course).

Nothing about the timeline released today is bad. I'm glad we can finally see daylight.

If this drags through the summer, as it sounds like it will, that will impact recruiting. A lot of recruiting is done over the summer. That's when staffs can spend time with kids at camps, and have less day to day to focus on than in the fall during the season. If this summer like the past several opposing coaches can tell prospects about how the U will get hammered, etc., and tell their parents about 'lack of institutional control', that will hurt us. We may make up the ground later, but don't kid yourself about this. It's shaping up to be an uphill battle for another long while. And if the U has to appeal the COI decision, it's an entire nother recruiting season....

****.

Agree about it will hurt if we have to appeal, which is why I said "assuming we don't get more sanctions."

Every year we watch kids flip up until and including signing day. If you think a coach negative recruiting us in July about getting hammered with sanctions will hurt us in Feb if we get off in October with no sanctions, you are kidding yourself.

Not sure what you are so ****ed off at this week, but you are losing your grip on reality.

 

[DJWilliams55]

if DS is meeting DWS in public then she knows **** well that someone is going to notice this and report it. She could've communicated with DWS in private or by phone. That she did it in public at a well visited prominent restaurant imho sends a message to.....you know who.

True, but risky. Political pressure isn't easily applied here. And there are plenty of other institutions with political heft involved in the NCAA also. If you imply you can bring DC down on the NCAA, you could well cause them to dig in out of principle.

Wrong. It's easily applied. If there is notice that the DOJ is "considering" an inquiry into whether criminal laws were broken re the abuse of the bankruptcy process....that would be kind of a big deal because we're playing for keeps now. It's not civil litigation anymore...there is the risk of lives of the principals getting ruined...(and I don't buy the self serving NCaA paid for report on this issue).

If she is talking to Wasserman Schultz that is GREAT. I don't have the slightest problem of using political forces to commandeer the process....and to arm twist the finder of fact into the "right answer". I don't give a **** about the methods used.

Whatever it takes. There is no low that we won't go. We're dealing with terrorists. You fight fire with an AK 47. Civil route is *****. Criminal route is preferred. Get Holder involved.

 

[Ethnicsands]

To those complaining about the June hearing date: We have 90 days to respond. June is about as good as it can get. And as far as an October resolution date, that shouldnt hurt recruiting at all, considering signing day is in Feb (assuming we dont get more sanctions, of course).

Nothing about the timeline released today is bad. I'm glad we can finally see daylight.

If this drags through the summer, as it sounds like it will, that will impact recruiting. A lot of recruiting is done over the summer. That's when staffs can spend time with kids at camps, and have less day to day to focus on than in the fall during the season. If this summer like the past several opposing coaches can tell prospects about how the U will get hammered, etc., and tell their parents about 'lack of institutional control', that will hurt us. We may make up the ground later, but don't kid yourself about this. It's shaping up to be an uphill battle for another long while. And if the U has to appeal the COI decision, it's an entire nother recruiting season....

****.

Agree about it will hurt if we have to appeal, which is why I said "assuming we don't get more sanctions."

Every year we watch kids flip up until and including signing day. If you think a coach negative recruiting us in July about getting hammered with sanctions will hurt us in Feb if we get off in October with no sanctions, you are kidding yourself.

Not sure what you are so ****ed off at this week, but you are losing your grip on reality.

My grip on reality? Hombre, you're the one with a problem if that's something that makes sense for you to say in this exchange. You sound like a an arrogant prick.

I simply stated and explained a view of the impact of the remaining months of this process on our recruiting. If you disagree, so be it. I'm not telling you you're a dumb **** for disagreeing with me. But I will say I've followed recruiting for a long time, and my view is in fact quite reasonable. While many kids stay undecided until late in the year, others commit early and stick. And momentum can be very important in building and holding a class together -- as we saw negatively last season for us -- the pending investigation led to little momentum and a very disappointing fishing on NSD. I'm not claiming AG won't plow on and recover to an extent, but, to borrow your phrasing, if you think our recruiting class will be the same if we were free and clear right now compared to if we're still waiting for a decision into October, then you're the one who's kidding yourself. Have a good evening.

 

[Ethnicsands]

if DS is meeting DWS in public then she knows **** well that someone is going to notice this and report it. She could've communicated with DWS in private or by phone. That she did it in public at a well visited prominent restaurant imho sends a message to.....you know who.

True, but risky. Political pressure isn't easily applied here. And there are plenty of other institutions with political heft involved in the NCAA also. If you imply you can bring DC down on the NCAA, you could well cause them to dig in out of principle.

Wrong. It's easily applied. If there is notice that the DOJ is "considering" an inquiry into whether criminal laws were broken re the abuse of the bankruptcy process....that would be kind of a big deal because we're playing for keeps now. It's not civil litigation anymore...there is the risk of lives of the principals getting ruined...(and I don't buy the self serving NCaA paid for report on this issue).

If she is talking to Wasserman Schultz that is GREAT. I don't have the slightest problem of using political forces to commandeer the process....and to arm twist the finder of fact into the "right answer". I don't give a **** about the methods used.

Whatever it takes. There is no low that we won't go. We're dealing with terrorists. You fight fire with an AK 47. Civil route is *****. Criminal route is preferred. Get Holder involved.

LMAO @ the DOJ getting involved in fatso's deposition business. GTFOOH. Next thing you know Shalala will be meeting with the UN's High Commissioner for Human Rights. Emmert better go into the witness protection program!

 

[moshated305]

“Listen, I play by the rules,” Perez said. “Had I been doing something wrong, I’m sure I would have gotten a call from the bankruptcy court. I understand he’s (Shapiro) is in jail for a Ponzi scheme, but a lot of the reason he is there is because of his good nature.”

F*ck that pig kuntface

Time bomb. Send that to King Emmert, so he can revel in how smart his attorney is. Instant bubble guts for that stuffed shirt ******.

P.S. The bankruptcy court had no idea what she was up to when she was perpetrating a fraud on that court. They do now. And she'll likely hear from them in due time.

This is what we can hope for. Once I read the deposition in the herald, I was amazed how no one stopped it due to a waste of limited resources and irrelevancy. This guys bilked investors for almost a billion dollars, you think creditors care about some BS behinana dinners? Oh no some midget is buying used appliances, let's waste $10000s investigating.

I remember when it first came available I asked over on CS why the **** was this even in the deposition. LOL Now we know. What a joke the NCAA is. Bunch of frauds and crooks. These ******** have the nerve to say they didn't know but let a HC or high ranking administrator say that and all **** breaks loose. Paul Dee's exact words in the USC case was that USC "should have known". If they are going to use that against schools they should have to abide by the same **** rile. Instead Emmert points the finger at everyone but himself.

 

[jerzeycane]

Essentially, self-corroboration allowed a subject – in this case Nevin Shapiro – to merely repeat testimony for it to be accepted into the record. Miami president Donna Shalala referred to it Tuesday night in her scathing statement regarding the notice of allegations received by the school.

Shapiro: So basically, I bought a fair amount of hookers and provided them to the team. They did not leave a hooker for me, might I add, but I looked the other way out of the kindness of my heart. After the hookers, it got kinda crazy, yachts, boats, the whole nine. There was one specific instance where Ray Lewis III was 10 years old and we went out on my yacht. I knew he would be a big star, so I took him out to show him a good time. Donna Shalala was watching from a near by port, just to confirm that Ray Ray was on board and we just relaxed and had a good time. As a matter of fact, there was a young man in here just a couple of days ago to see me named Al-Quadin Muhammad. I think you might have saw him commit to Miami on National Television or at least that's what they told me. They don't even have NBC on the tiling of the shower floor (chuckles). We talked and I put him in touch with some good friends of mine who would take care of him when he get down there (gets tapped on the shoulder by a guard). "Aye ****schtick, one of your menches is on the phone for you"...I'll be right back.

(Minutes later)

Yeah so uh where were we, oh yeah I was about to tell you how I've known this kid Derrick Griffin for quite some time now. I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's a big time kid who just committed to Miami. James Coley just brought him here the other day and like Muhammad I put him in contact with one of my guys. He seems like a really good kid, but he's going to need some assistance down there and I definitely paid for his lunch while he was here. I think I'm done for the day though. We good

Investigator: Could you just repeat that one more time?

 

[moshated305]

Essentially, self-corroboration allowed a subject – in this case Nevin Shapiro – to merely repeat testimony for it to be accepted into the record. Miami president Donna Shalala referred to it Tuesday night in her scathing statement regarding the notice of allegations received by the school.

Shapiro: So basically, I bought a fair amount of hookers and provided them to the team. They did not leave a hooker for me, might I add, but I looked the other way out of the kindness of my heart. After the hookers, it got kinda crazy, yachts, boats, the whole nine. There was one specific instance where Ray Lewis III was 10 years old and we went out on my yacht. I knew he would be a big star, so I took him out to show him a good time. Donna Shalala was watching from a near by port, just to confirm that Ray Ray was on board and we just relaxed and had a good time. As a matter of fact, there was a young man in here just a couple of days ago to see me named Al-Quadin Muhammad. I think you might have saw him commit to Miami on National Television or at least that's what they told me. They don't even have NBC on the tiling of the shower floor (chuckles). We talked and I put him in touch with some good friends of mine who would take care of him when he get down there (gets tapped on the shoulder by a guard). "Aye ****schtick, one of your menches is on the phone for you"...I'll be right back.

(Minutes later)

Yeah so uh where were we, oh yeah I was about to tell you how I've known this kid Derrick Griffin for quite some time now. I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's a big time kid who just committed to Miami. James Coley just brought him here the other day and like Muhammad I put him in contact with one of my guys. He seems like a really good kid, but he's going to need some assistance down there and I definitely paid for his lunch while he was here. I think I'm done for the day though. We good

Investigator: Could you just repeat that one more time?

:ibisroflmao:

 

[scrantoncane]

To those complaining about the June hearing date: We have 90 days to respond. June is about as good as it can get. And as far as an October resolution date, that shouldnt hurt recruiting at all, considering signing day is in Feb (assuming we dont get more sanctions, of course).

Nothing about the timeline released today is bad. I'm glad we can finally see daylight.

If this drags through the summer, as it sounds like it will, that will impact recruiting. A lot of recruiting is done over the summer. That's when staffs can spend time with kids at camps, and have less day to day to focus on than in the fall during the season. If this summer like the past several opposing coaches can tell prospects about how the U will get hammered, etc., and tell their parents about 'lack of institutional control', that will hurt us. We may make up the ground later, but don't kid yourself about this. It's shaping up to be an uphill battle for another long while. And if the U has to appeal the COI decision, it's an entire nother recruiting season....

****.

Agree about it will hurt if we have to appeal, which is why I said "assuming we don't get more sanctions."

Every year we watch kids flip up until and including signing day. If you think a coach negative recruiting us in July about getting hammered with sanctions will hurt us in Feb if we get off in October with no sanctions, you are kidding yourself.

Not sure what you are so ****ed off at this week, but you are losing your grip on reality.

My grip on reality? Hombre, you're the one with a problem if that's something that makes sense for you to say in this exchange. You sound like a an arrogant prick.

I simply stated and explained a view of the impact of the remaining months of this process on our recruiting. If you disagree, so be it. I'm not telling you you're a dumb **** for disagreeing with me. But I will say I've followed recruiting for a long time, and my view is in fact quite reasonable. While many kids stay undecided until late in the year, others commit early and stick. And momentum can be very important in building and holding a class together -- as we saw negatively last season for us -- the pending investigation led to little momentum and a very disappointing fishing on NSD. I'm not claiming AG won't plow on and recover to an extent, but, to borrow your phrasing, if you think our recruiting class will be the same if we were free and clear right now compared to if we're still waiting for a decision into October, then you're the one who's kidding yourself. Have a good evening.

Didnt mean for you to get all butthurt about it.

We have 90 days to file a response to the NOA. That puts us at 5/21/13. We just heard that the hearing date is 3 weeks later. Obviously the NCAA and COI will (rightfully) get a chance to review our response. You aren't going to do much better than getting a hearing 3 weeks out from a quasi-legal due date.

Answer and penalties by September or October. Would I like it to be faster? Of course I would. But this investigation has lasted 2.5 years, and the hearing is obviously going to be confrontational, for lack of a better word. Both parties will present their cases, a ruling needs to be made, and a decision (which will have serious implications on precedent) needs to be written. I think Sept or Oct is reasonable.

What does that mean for recruiting? All I am saying is we were in it for a lot of big names this year, and it appears we lost out in January/February, after a so-so season. That was before we knew of the NCAA blunders or received the NOA.

Now, we have an end date in sight. Just can't see how we can still be negatively recruited. If we win on the field this year, and we have our penalties set in stone (which, when taking into account what we did already self imposition-wise, is almost certainly better than the uncertainty we faced this recruiting season), I don't think it has a negative impact. And to the extent it does, we are definitely better off with the timeline we now have then we were a week ago when we didnt know ****.

Not sure how you can argue with this, short of saying you want the COI to meet us this weekend and give us our penalties.