Article: NCAA Charges Miami With Lack of Institutional Control

[scrantoncane]

I don't want another bad word spoken about our President ever again. ever. ya hear me mother****ers? Crown our Don! Thank god we've got someone with her power, intellect, and political skill at the helm now

Amen. She a master. We're lucky to have her. Weird to say this, but what a great night.

I agree, great night. We've been in the dark the whole time, over 2 years now. Now we know where we stand, and it is right where we had hoped all along.

Its moments like this when the Us against the World motto really hits home. Time to bring the heat.

 

[wushah]

Burner phones, NCAA staffers being the leak to Charles Robinson, fees for Shapiro's lawyer, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. What planet does the NCAA think they live on? Donna will bring them to their knees. They're going to have to settle, or she will absolutely destroy them. She knows it. She's just waiting on them to realize it.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Tim Reynolds @ByTimReynolds
Maria Elena Perez, Shapiro's attorney, not pleased tonight. In text to AP, she calls the NCAA "an incompetent regulatory institution."

Waaaaaaaaahhhhhh

 

[Ethnicsands]

The thing that scares me the most is, the NCAA has no one to answer to. If the COI wants to **** us, they can.

They answer to the world and the rest of college football. And, the way they answer is that, if they **** us, no one will ever cooperate with an NCAA investigation again. There'd be no reason or incentive to do anything but stall, stonewall or outright lie.

And yet i got attacked all day for saying maybe the cooperation strategy we pursued wasnt an unmitigated success. I'd guess Donna Shalala herself regrets it, yet her sycophants here see her every action as beyond flawless.

 

[wright_footed]

And we had both presidential candidates on campus during the election

 

[hcanes100]

***** her and the NCAA

 

[hoops156]

Can't wait to see mark Emmert scrubbing toilets in a couple months

 

[kmwcane]

The thing that scares me the most is, the NCAA has no one to answer to. If the COI wants to **** us, they can.

They answer to the world and the rest of college football. And, the way they answer is that, if they **** us, no one will ever cooperate with an NCAA investigation again. There'd be no reason or incentive to do anything but stall, stonewall or outright lie.

And yet i got attacked all day for saying maybe the cooperation strategy we pursued wasnt an unmitigated success. I'd guess Donna Shalala herself regrets it, yet her sycophants here see her every action as beyond flawless.

But what good would an adversarial approach done right off the bat? And what harm has been done by cooperating up until this point?

I'm not sure how the outcome would have been any different if UM and Shalala had come out swinging like they have now. I'm not saying the course of cooperation is an "umitigated success", but I don't see how other courses of action would have been better to this point. They were cooperative up until the point they learned about the NCAA's malfeasance. Seems like a prudent approach to a situation to me.

 

[scrantoncane]

The thing that scares me the most is, the NCAA has no one to answer to. If the COI wants to **** us, they can.

They answer to the world and the rest of college football. And, the way they answer is that, if they **** us, no one will ever cooperate with an NCAA investigation again. There'd be no reason or incentive to do anything but stall, stonewall or outright lie.

And yet i got attacked all day for saying maybe the cooperation strategy we pursued wasnt an unmitigated success. I'd guess Donna Shalala herself regrets it, yet her sycophants here see her every action as beyond flawless.

But what good would an adversarial approach done right off the bat? And what harm has been done by cooperating up until this point?

I'm not sure how the outcome would have been any different if UM and Shalala had come out swinging like they have now. I'm not saying the course of cooperation is an "umitigated success", but I don't see how other course of action would have been better to this point. They were cooperative up until the point they learned about the NCAA's malfeasance. Seems like a prudent approach to a situation to me.

+1.

I respect Ethnic as a poster, but he has been on a rant all week and just way off base. Gotta look at the big picture. Obviously we had some of this info, and obviously Donna thought she could get it settled. When she realized she couldnt, the gloves came off. Timing was perfect.

One big factor being overlooked by many is the desperate attempt of Emerett to keep his job. I think that is what is ******** the settlement up. The only possible way he can save face is to win in front of the COI. Yes, the NCAA has egg on its face, but Emerett (to a lesser extent than now) doesnt.

He is the man in charge, and he is trying to throw as many people under the bus as he can to get himself out of this. But if the milk is sour, Donna aint the type ***** to drink it.

 

[Ethnicsands]

The thing that scares me the most is, the NCAA has no one to answer to. If the COI wants to **** us, they can.

They answer to the world and the rest of college football. And, the way they answer is that, if they **** us, no one will ever cooperate with an NCAA investigation again. There'd be no reason or incentive to do anything but stall, stonewall or outright lie.

And yet i got attacked all day for saying maybe the cooperation strategy we pursued wasnt an unmitigated success. I'd guess Donna Shalala herself regrets it, yet her sycophants here see her every action as beyond flawless.

But what good would an adversarial approach done right off the bat? And what harm has been done by cooperating up until this point?

I'm not sure how the outcome would have been any different if UM and Shalala had come out swinging like they have now. I'm not saying the course of cooperation is an "umitigated success", but I don't see how other course of action would have been better to this point. They were cooperative up until the point they learned about the NCAA's malfeasance. Seems like a prudent approach to a situation to me.

No one here can know whether a less cooperative approach would have been better. To assess that, you'd have to know about exactly what it meant that we were setting a new standard for compliance in the face of an NCAA investigation, and how the things we did played out in the investigation. However, it's easy to imagine that our compliant posture could have exacerbated things. So all the people who are insisting that DS has handled this perfectly are just talking out of their ***. I'm not claiming she may not have, but it's far from obvious that she did. Shalala is probably the best judge of whether her strategy has worked -- And judging by how ****ed she seems to be, it doesn't look to me like she thinks her strategy to date was responded to appropriately by the NCAA.

 

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

can someone summarize?

 

[Ethnicsands]

The thing that scares me the most is, the NCAA has no one to answer to. If the COI wants to **** us, they can.

They answer to the world and the rest of college football. And, the way they answer is that, if they **** us, no one will ever cooperate with an NCAA investigation again. There'd be no reason or incentive to do anything but stall, stonewall or outright lie.

And yet i got attacked all day for saying maybe the cooperation strategy we pursued wasnt an unmitigated success. I'd guess Donna Shalala herself regrets it, yet her sycophants here see her every action as beyond flawless.

But what good would an adversarial approach done right off the bat? And what harm has been done by cooperating up until this point?

I'm not sure how the outcome would have been any different if UM and Shalala had come out swinging like they have now. I'm not saying the course of cooperation is an "umitigated success", but I don't see how other course of action would have been better to this point. They were cooperative up until the point they learned about the NCAA's malfeasance. Seems like a prudent approach to a situation to me.

+1.

I respect Ethnic as a poster, but he has been on a rant all week and just way off base. Gotta look at the big picture. Obviously we had some of this info, and obviously Donna thought she could get it settled. When she realized she couldnt, the gloves came off. Timing was perfect.

One big factor being overlooked by many is the desperate attempt of Emerett to keep his job. I think that is what is ******** the settlement up. The only possible way he can save face is to win in front of the COI. Yes, the NCAA has egg on its face, but Emerett (to a lesser extent than now) doesnt.

He is the man in charge, and he is trying to throw as many people under the bus as he can to get himself out of this. But if the milk is sour, Donna aint the type ***** to drink it.

That's just bull ****. I haven't been on a rant at all. I have just disputed those who insist that DS has somehow played this all like a genius. I'm not so sure she herself thinks her card playing to date has worked as anticipated. She's ****ed for a reason, after all.

And your description of what is 'obvious' is quite obviously uninformed, which is funny. There is no chance she thought this would be 'settled.' There is no precedent for the NCAA enforcement staff 'settling' charges. Just not something that happens. She's ****ed because the charges are not insignificant, and the NCAA's process for arriving at them was pathetic. Yet when you understand who screwed up the NCAA is, you might also realize why going out of your way to cooperate is not a great strategy.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

can someone summarize?

Cliff notes?

Most of Shapiro's claims end up unsubstantiated
We still get lack of institutional control
Shalala gets ****ed off

.

 

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

thanks. so basically damage is done in the court of public opinion?

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

They answer to the world and the rest of college football. And, the way they answer is that, if they **** us, no one will ever cooperate with an NCAA investigation again. There'd be no reason or incentive to do anything but stall, stonewall or outright lie.

And yet i got attacked all day for saying maybe the cooperation strategy we pursued wasnt an unmitigated success. I'd guess Donna Shalala herself regrets it, yet her sycophants here see her every action as beyond flawless.

But what good would an adversarial approach done right off the bat? And what harm has been done by cooperating up until this point?

I'm not sure how the outcome would have been any different if UM and Shalala had come out swinging like they have now. I'm not saying the course of cooperation is an "umitigated success", but I don't see how other course of action would have been better to this point. They were cooperative up until the point they learned about the NCAA's malfeasance. Seems like a prudent approach to a situation to me.

+1.

I respect Ethnic as a poster, but he has been on a rant all week and just way off base. Gotta look at the big picture. Obviously we had some of this info, and obviously Donna thought she could get it settled. When she realized she couldnt, the gloves came off. Timing was perfect.

One big factor being overlooked by many is the desperate attempt of Emerett to keep his job. I think that is what is ******** the settlement up. The only possible way he can save face is to win in front of the COI. Yes, the NCAA has egg on its face, but Emerett (to a lesser extent than now) doesnt.

He is the man in charge, and he is trying to throw as many people under the bus as he can to get himself out of this. But if the milk is sour, Donna aint the type ***** to drink it.

That's just bull ****. I haven't been on a rant at all. I have just disputed those who insist that DS has somehow played this all like a genius. I'm not so sure she herself thinks her card playing to date has worked as anticipated. She's ****ed for a reason, after all.

And your description of what is 'obvious' is quite obviously uninformed, which is funny. There is no chance she thought this would be 'settled.' There is no precedent for the NCAA enforcement staff 'settling' charges. Just not something that happens. She's ****ed because the charges are not insignificant, and the NCAA's process for arriving at them was pathetic. Yet when you understand who screwed up the NCAA is, you might also realize why going out of your way to cooperate is not a great strategy.

Let's say we hadn't cooperated at all, and we hadn't self-imposed sanctions. We still likely end up in the same place, with LOIC and the potential for serious sanctions. But we can't claim to have been above board, and our outrage then lacks teeth. The public outrage that we're seeing now is muted significantly, and we lose all hand. We'd likely get penalized the same as what we've already imposed on ourselves at a minimum, with those sanctions not being handed down until the fall of 2013 or so. Which means that it impacts the 2014-16 seasons, on top of having hindered our recruiting for 4 years already.

No thanks. I'll take the way it's played out thus far.

 

[jerzeycane]

The thing that scares me the most is, the NCAA has no one to answer to. If the COI wants to **** us, they can.

They answer to the world and the rest of college football. And, the way they answer is that, if they **** us, no one will ever cooperate with an NCAA investigation again. There'd be no reason or incentive to do anything but stall, stonewall or outright lie.

And yet i got attacked all day for saying maybe the cooperation strategy we pursued wasnt an unmitigated success. I'd guess Donna Shalala herself regrets it, yet her sycophants here see her every action as beyond flawless.

But what good would an adversarial approach done right off the bat? And what harm has been done by cooperating up until this point?

I'm not sure how the outcome would have been any different if UM and Shalala had come out swinging like they have now. I'm not saying the course of cooperation is an "umitigated success", but I don't see how other course of action would have been better to this point. They were cooperative up until the point they learned about the NCAA's malfeasance. Seems like a prudent approach to a situation to me.

No one here can know whether a less cooperative approach would have been better. To assess that, you'd have to know about exactly what it meant that we were setting a new standard for compliance in the face of an NCAA investigation, and how the things we did played out in the investigation. However, it's easy to imagine that our compliant posture could have exacerbated things. So all the people who are insisting that DS has handled this perfectly are just talking out of their ***. I'm not claiming she may not have, but it's far from obvious that she did. Shalala is probably the best judge of whether her strategy has worked -- And judging by how ****ed she seems to be, it doesn't look to me like she thinks her strategy to date was responded to appropriately by the NCAA.

You're off bro. We've played this brilliantly. We have people like Jay Bilas calling for Emmert to step down. People like Dodd saying that we should walk with time served. This has played out as best as you could possibly hope for. If in August of 2011, I told you that today would be the result of that report, first most wouldn't believe, and second, they'd take it and run. Couldn't have played this any better.

No need to go strutting around like a peacock in the early stages.

KEEP MY ENEMIES CLOSE
I GIVE EM ENOUGH ROPE
THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN THE AIR
I JUST KICK AWAY THE CHAIR

 

[RiDLer80]

thanks. so basically damage is done in the court of public opinion?

Basically the NCAA says even though that Allen stuff was taken out, we still have enough to charge Miami with LOIC.

Also, apparently Haith skates.

 

[bomb]

Btw, has anyone commented on the pure ****ishness of us getting the NOA at the beginning of a big home game? We play four hours a week. They couldn't pick any of the other 164??

More NCAA bull****.

 

[bomb]

I don't want another bad word spoken about our President ever again. ever. ya hear me mother****ers? Crown our Don! Thank god we've got someone with her power, intellect, and political skill at the helm now

Amen. She a master. We're lucky to have her. Weird to say this, but what a great night.

it is a great night bc we've all always wondered how much she cared and how fierce she would be. Well this answers and squashes all such questions. She smells blood and is a lion on the hunt to end this ****. We couldn't be in better hands. She has been patient and played this perfect. Now she says enough is ******* enough. And I love how her silence and patience that some badly misconstrued as lack of care or vigilance is now playing like the Ace of Spade, King of Spades, Queen of Spades, Jack of Spades, and 10 of Spades. Like a boss

This guy gets it.

 

[bomb]

The thing that scares me the most is, the NCAA has no one to answer to. If the COI wants to **** us, they can.

They answer to the world and the rest of college football. And, the way they answer is that, if they **** us, no one will ever cooperate with an NCAA investigation again. There'd be no reason or incentive to do anything but stall, stonewall or outright lie.

And yet i got attacked all day for saying maybe the cooperation strategy we pursued wasnt an unmitigated success. I'd guess Donna Shalala herself regrets it, yet her sycophants here see her every action as beyond flawless.

But what good would an adversarial approach done right off the bat? And what harm has been done by cooperating up until this point?

I'm not sure how the outcome would have been any different if UM and Shalala had come out swinging like they have now. I'm not saying the course of cooperation is an "umitigated success", but I don't see how other courses of action would have been better to this point. They were cooperative up until the point they learned about the NCAA's malfeasance. Seems like a prudent approach to a situation to me.

Me too. Because of how she played it, we now get to wear the white hat. We may be the first school to have a president who engineered a situation where screaming foul against the NCAA isn't being perceived as sour grapes.

Guess what? We broke rules. Lots of them. Badly. And we're the good guys!! Brilliant mastery of a complicated situation by Shalala. It's great to be!!