Are your doubts about James Coley over?

[MT-hurricane]

Fisch was so caught up in his neato pass play designs that he had neglected the run game and lacked natural play calling instinct.

Only thing Coley hasn't proven to be better than Fisch at is QB coach, and we just don't have a large enough sample size yet to determine that.

Before this season NOBODY would have admitted that'd we'd be better off WITHOUT Fisch and WITH D'Onofrio. Funny how **** changes. If you weren't short sighted, you probably saw this coming.

 

[The Franchise]

Before this season NOBODY would have admitted that'd we'd be better off WITHOUT Fisch and WITH D'Onofrio. Funny how **** changes. If you weren't short sighted, you probably saw this coming.

I would have.

 

[MT-hurricane]

Before this season NOBODY would have admitted that'd we'd be better off WITHOUT Fisch and WITH D'Onofrio. Funny how **** changes. If you weren't short sighted, you probably saw this coming.

I would have.

Remember what board I'm basing these comments on. There was literally no one over there that thought D'Ono would turn out alright.

 

[bomb]

I never had any doubts in the first place. I'm one of the few people here that admits that Al Golden knows more about football coaches than I do.

 

[FenianBastard]

Put in the Gatech game from last yr. no fawkin way Coley is better then Fisch

 

[poncho0091]

I've said this in another post, but Fisch was working with a young team just like Dnofrio was, but you excuse the shortcomings of dnofrio and not those of Fisch. As far as Fisch not running the ball enough, he took a freshman running back to nearly 1000 yards rushing and the year before he called the plays for our first 1000 yard rusher (Lamar Miller) since Frank Gore. Also while not wanting to wear down our stud freshman RB (probably as told to do so by Al Golden) who was noticeably more fatigued later in the season last year, he split tons of carries with our Sr RB Mike James. We had no depth after that at RB, so there is likely a reason we passed more especially with how our pass game looked last year. If one of those 2 rbs got hurt, we'd be hurting more in the run game. If you look at the run totals, we aren't going to have that many more carries this year than we did last year. We had nearly 400 carries in each of Fisch's seasons. After 6 weeks, we are currently at 182. The only real difference is Duke is getting the bulk of the carries compared to last year, and we have more rbs to work with now.

Then you talk about Coley playcalling the big plays that scored against Florida's defense in the big game, before we went ultra conservative, but you forget in the big game last year against ND, Fisch also called big plays that Dorsett dropped. If he makes those 2 catches, we go into halftime with the lead.

You guys talking Fisch down sound more ridiculous than the people who talked down about Dnofrio. Fisch's offense was successful often. Yes it went cold for a few stretches, but that's only noticeable when the defense is giving up a score every drive and the game continues to remain close. How many more Aces in the hole do you think Fisch had left to play after all of those close games? Dnofrio's defense is greatly improved and I am happy to see it, but if you are going to criticize Fisch for having a good offense, then the only way you can remain objective here is to accept Dnofrio deserved criticism for his defense. Both had young, underdeveloped units.

 

[The Franchise]

Put in the Gatech game from last yr. no fawkin way Coley is better then Fisch

We averaged 10 yards per play against GT this year. Fish never did that against anyone.

 

[The Franchise]

I've said this in another post, but Fisch was working with a young team just like Dnofrio was,

No he wasn't. No comparison between the talent/experience that Fish was working with and that with which Coach D was working.

 

[DeadPoets]

Fisch develops QBs like a champ.
It's too early to critique Coley.

 

[poncho0091]

I've said this in another post, but Fisch was working with a young team just like Dnofrio was,

No he wasn't. No comparison between the talent/experience that Fish was working with and that with which Coach D was working.

Fisch was not working with that many experienced players. We had quite a few sophomores on our OL, this was Stemo's first full year as starter (yes he got some games before, but JH was the starter except when he was hurt a few games and the games he was suspended.) At receiver we had Scott, Dorsett, Hurns, and Lewis. Lewis(true freshman) got hurt early, scott and dorsett were both sopohomores. All of our TE's were unproven and Walford was a Sophomore. So our starters higher than Sophomore were Seantrel (still apparently acts immature), Mike James ( Not a #1 rb, but a solid player), Hurns, and Stemo.

Dnofrio, had Gaines, Cain, Mcgee, Porter, Luther Robinson, Buchanon, Kacy Rodgers, and Telamaque that were all above sophomore last year. I think Deon Bush was the only full time starter as a freshman on defense while Duke was the Freshman on offense.

I'm not saying all were studs, but we had some decent players, some of which are still starting this season (most of which were sophomores). Experience levels were not that much different. Both sides had young players. I think the biggest deal was depth on both sides and depth is much more needed on the defensive side than the offensive side, because the players get worn down quicker on defense.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

It's funny to watch these dudes dig in on Fisch. They want to see how Coley does against a good defense, while all the time forgetting fisch got it stuck up his *** against good D's. Also Williams has developed under Coley's watch. All you haters keep citing the NC game for Williams as a predictor for him being ******. Al has pointed out that James has really been working with Williams on his technique, then BOOM he can play QB at a pretty high level.

The wait and see approach to Coley was understandable, however, people will dig in until we put a 50 spot on FSU. It's really as basic as Al wouldn't have hired an incompetent coordinator....period. I have full faith in James Coley and have since day 1, due to the competence of Al Golden.

 

[poncho0091]

It's funny to watch these dudes dig in on Fisch. They want to see how Coley does against a good defense, while all the time forgetting fisch got it stuck up his *** against good D's. Also Williams has developed under Coley's watch. All you haters keep citing the NC game for Williams as a predictor for him being ****ty. Al has pointed out that James has really been working with Williams on his technique, then BOOM he can play QB at a pretty high level.

The wait and see approach to Coley was understandable, however, people will dig in until we put a 50 spot on FSU. It's really as basic as Al wouldn't have hired an incompetent coordinator....period. I have full faith in James Coley and have since day 1, due to the competence of Al Golden.

You are completely missing the point. Most of us are not bashing Coley, we just want see if we can get a consistent offense against a good defense. You guys are crowning him off of games against GT and USF. I've admitted I liked his schemes the last 2 weeks as it appears we are starting to open it up. There are minor things I dont like as well, but that was the same with Fisch. Like I said, you guys are quick to say that Fisch got owned by good defenses, but why not point out the ND game where Dorsett has 2 huge drops (likely because he was a YOUNG player) that would have given us a lead going into half. Instead we went in completely deflated and it showed in the second half. Not everything Fisch did was perfect, but some was player execution too, but you want to say he sucked? I guess it sucks watching Stemo put up record numbers while running an offense that got 2 of our players heisman hype coming into the season.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I'm not crowning Coley at all, just giving him the benefit of the doubt. I like what I see so far. I just don't understand the man love for Jedd Fisch. He was no *** wrecker by an means.

Holding Florida against Coley is a little premature as well, considering Al himself was the one in James ear about playing conservatively.

 

[zone3cane]

Jedd Fisch was a terrible game day manager..... he was terrible at making adjustments in game, and he was terrible at balancing between run and pass.

you Coley "critics" who are "so concerned" about every thing, keep saying retarded **** like "awww I want to see the offense score points against a good defense" WTF r you all talking about???.....

Miami scored 14 points in the air against the best defense in the entire CFB..... the rest of the game had more to do w/ Al Golden's decision to pull back the offense then it did about James Coley.

Also this entire notion about "scoring on a good defense" is purely ur on opinion..... the only good defenses you all will give credit for is whichever one you want to give credit for. Georgia Tech is considered to have a good defense this year, but since Miami scored so easily on them, GT doesnt count.

Scoring on Virginia Tech wont count to you all either b/c it's not Alabama or some bull****...... how many "good defenses" do you all see on Miami's schedule?

Florida, FSU, and VT.... GT aint good enough for the Coley critics so we'll leave that out. Miami scored 21 on Florida and 14 directly b/c of James Coley's play calling.

What's really going on is all the Coley critics are going to make or break their decision based on one game, and thats FSU.... lol if Miami's offense aint scoring on them easily like they did against USF, then you all will still have "doubts" and "concerns" even if we beat FSU.

And no matter how good the offense looks the entire season, "we didnt score consistently against FSU" will be the phrase that you all will be singing the entire season.

 

[poncho0091]

You may not be crowning him, but many on here are. You don't understand the man love for Fisch, while I don't understand the hate for Fisch. Its the best offense we've had here since 2003.

As far as holding Florida against Coley, I'm not. That was one of the best defenses in the country with our players in the first year of a new offense (even if Coley carried over some of the previous playbook). The only problem I had in the Florida game is we could not drive down field pretty much the entire game. Our scores came on big plays and short fields and it seemed like there was a lot of the field we did not use. I am waiting for VT and FSU. FSU's defense is not as good as last year's. I just want to see that we can have consistent smooth drives against good defenses.

 

[zone3cane]

poncho....

You say blame Dorsett for those 2 drops against Notre Dame but how about blame Fisch for not being able to come up w/ the next plan off attack after ND made the defensive adjustments to prevent Dorsett from beating them deep again. He didnt do **** after that.... that offense went into a shell, and Fisch has a lot of blame for that.

Came out in the 2nd half, when Miami was still in a good spot to make it a competitive game and dropped the ball BIG TIME

 

[poncho0091]

Zone you have a bad habit of not reading people's posts and making assumptions about what they are saying from the first line. Nowhere did I criticize Coley. Nowhere did I say I was concerned. Nowhere did I say we had to score on FSU the same way as USF. I'm just not crowning the guy on the first few games. There are some people who also still understand player execution is just as important as the playcalling. If you guys quit bringing up these posts asking what people think about Coley, the entire issue will likely fade away. This is not like last year where the defense seemed completely useless and out of place all the time and everyone was trying to figure out the problem every week.

As it stands we look real good against the teams we should look good against. Our offense smoked GT last year, our players are older, so they should smoke them this year and with improved defense, you see the difference in the scores, so forgive me if GT does not count as a great defense imo.

 

[poncho0091]

poncho....

You say blame Dorsett for those 2 drops against Notre Dame but how about blame Fisch for not being able to come up w/ the next plan off attack after ND made the defensive adjustments to prevent Dorsett from beating them deep again. He didnt do **** after that.... that offense went into a shell, and Fisch has a lot of blame for that.

Came out in the 2nd half, when Miami was still in a good spot to make it a competitive game and dropped the ball BIG TIME

All I'm saying is the team was deflated after the drops and then ND scored right before half. With those 2 catches and maybe 1 more TD in the game, it doesn't look nearly as bad as it was. I've already said multiple times, part of it becomes playcalling and part of it is execution. Just like Golden tells Coley to do certain things, you think he didn't tell Fisch to do certain things?

Either way, agree to disagree. I like what I've seen the last 2 weeks, but I'm not crowning him just yet. I liked what we had when Fisch was here and I sure didnt hear too many concerned with our offense last year.

 

[zone3cane]

Zone you have a bad habit of not reading people's posts and making assumptions about what they are saying from the first line. Nowhere did I criticize Coley. Nowhere did I say I was concerned. Nowhere did I say we had to score on FSU the same way as USF. I'm just not crowning the guy on the first few games. There are some people who also still understand player execution is just as important as the playcalling. If you guys quit bringing up these posts asking what people think about Coley, the entire issue will likely fade away. This is not like last year where the defense seemed completely useless and out of place all the time and everyone was trying to figure out the problem every week.

As it stands we look real good against the teams we should look good against. Our offense smoked GT last year, our players are older, so they should smoke them this year and with improved defense, you see the difference in the scores, so forgive me if GT does not count as a great defense imo.

lol my bad habit must've rubbed off on you b/c I didnt say poncho said any of the things about Coley, i'm talking about the "Coley" critics in this thread in general....

and who said anything about GT having a "great" defense, i said they are considered to have a good defense this year, especially since there arent MANY good defenses at all this year, and definitely only a couple of "Great" defenses.

Its all opinion and perception.... if Miami played LSU, and put 40 on them, you all would think they scored on a good defense when in actuality LSU has an average defense at best this year. Most teams arent playing teams w/ a good defense, most teams in the BCS have an entire schedule full of teams w/ no defense.... their OC's arent being judged on that as critically as Miami fans want to judge James Coley.

 

[poncho0091]

Zone you have a bad habit of not reading people's posts and making assumptions about what they are saying from the first line. Nowhere did I criticize Coley. Nowhere did I say I was concerned. Nowhere did I say we had to score on FSU the same way as USF. I'm just not crowning the guy on the first few games. There are some people who also still understand player execution is just as important as the playcalling. If you guys quit bringing up these posts asking what people think about Coley, the entire issue will likely fade away. This is not like last year where the defense seemed completely useless and out of place all the time and everyone was trying to figure out the problem every week.

As it stands we look real good against the teams we should look good against. Our offense smoked GT last year, our players are older, so they should smoke them this year and with improved defense, you see the difference in the scores, so forgive me if GT does not count as a great defense imo.

lol my bad habit must've rubbed off on you b/c I didnt say poncho said any of the things about Coley, i'm talking about the "Coley" critics in this thread in general....

and who said anything about GT having a "great" defense, i said they are considered to have a good defense this year, especially since there arent MANY good defenses at all this year, and definitely only a couple of "Great" defenses.

Its all opinion and perception.... if Miami played LSU, and put 40 on them, you all would think they scored on a good defense when in actuality LSU has an average defense at best this year. Most teams arent playing teams w/ a good defense, most teams in the BCS have an entire schedule full of teams w/ no defense.... their OC's arent being judged on that as critically as Miami fans want to judge James Coley.

Well it will play out in the season. I don't understand how you think LSU is average on defense but GT is good, but I doubt we move the ball on LSU the same way we move it on GT. Also, while you did not say poncho, you need to be more specific on who you are calling Coley critics. I was just making it clear I am not criticizing anything. I'm still just a spectator trying to understand what we have.