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Are your doubts about James Coley over?

Zone, I remember a post of yours where you questioned the identity of this offense. My response then is the same now. I want to see our offense execute better against press man coverage because with Morris' ankle issue the better defensive teams are going to play man lock and come after him. Now, if that execution only nets 17 points and a win , there won't be any complaints here. Just another win on the way to the promised land.
 
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poncho0091 said:
zone3cane said:
poncho0091 said:
Zone you have a bad habit of not reading people's posts and making assumptions about what they are saying from the first line. Nowhere did I criticize Coley. Nowhere did I say I was concerned. Nowhere did I say we had to score on FSU the same way as USF. I'm just not crowning the guy on the first few games. There are some people who also still understand player execution is just as important as the playcalling. If you guys quit bringing up these posts asking what people think about Coley, the entire issue will likely fade away. This is not like last year where the defense seemed completely useless and out of place all the time and everyone was trying to figure out the problem every week.

As it stands we look real good against the teams we should look good against. Our offense smoked GT last year, our players are older, so they should smoke them this year and with improved defense, you see the difference in the scores, so forgive me if GT does not count as a great defense imo.
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lol my bad habit must've rubbed off on you b/c I didnt say poncho said any of the things about Coley, i'm talking about the "Coley" critics in this thread in general....

and who said anything about GT having a "great" defense, i said they are considered to have a good defense this year, especially since there arent MANY good defenses at all this year, and definitely only a couple of "Great" defenses.

Its all opinion and perception.... if Miami played LSU, and put 40 on them, you all would think they scored on a good defense when in actuality LSU has an average defense at best this year. Most teams arent playing teams w/ a good defense, most teams in the BCS have an entire schedule full of teams w/ no defense.... their OC's arent being judged on that as critically as Miami fans want to judge James Coley.
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Well it will play out in the season. I don't understand how you think LSU is average on defense but GT is good, but I doubt we move the ball on LSU the same way we move it on GT. Also, while you did not say poncho, you need to be more specific on who you are calling Coley critics. I was just making it clear I am not criticizing anything. I'm still just a spectator trying to understand what we have.
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I dont think GT has a good defense.... i'm saying they are considered to have a good defense based on their numbers so far, just like Baylor is considered to have a good defense.
Regardless just for the record I think Miami would score just as often on LSU's defense this year as Miami did on GT..... i think both GT and LSU's defense are just average at best. But perception wise it's odd saying LSU has a defense on the level of GT's b/c LSU is perceived to always have a dominant defense.
 
Dynasty said:
Zone, I remember a post of yours where you questioned the identity of this offense. My response then is the same now. I want to see our offense execute better against press man coverage because with Morris' ankle issue the better defensive teams are going to play man lock and come after him. Now, if that execution only nets 17 points and a win , there won't be any complaints here. Just another win on the way to the promised land.
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I came into the season thinking James Coley was going to prove himself as being a good offensive coordinator.....

i'm not sure i ever questioned the identity of this offense b/c i knew what the identity was going to be, which is a multiple pro style attack. I thought it was fair to have doubts about him as a coordinator though.

Most teams arent going to try press man coverage against our receivers, and if they do they will get destroyed. Florida is able to get away w/ it b/c they have a dominant defense in general... and even they got burned playing press man coverage against us.
 
zone3cane said:
Dynasty said:
Zone, I remember a post of yours where you questioned the identity of this offense. My response then is the same now. I want to see our offense execute better against press man coverage because with Morris' ankle issue the better defensive teams are going to play man lock and come after him. Now, if that execution only nets 17 points and a win , there won't be any complaints here. Just another win on the way to the promised land.
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I came into the season thinking James Coley was going to prove himself as being a good offensive coordinator.....

i'm not sure i ever questioned the identity of this offense b/c i knew what the identity was going to be, which is a multiple pro style attack. I thought it was fair to have doubts about him as a coordinator though.

Most teams arent going to try press man coverage against our receivers, and if they do they will get destroyed. Florida is able to get away w/ it b/c they have a dominant defense in general... and even they got burned playing press man coverage against us.
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The first TD we scored against u-f-a-g, they were in press man on the outside receivers, but the inside slot (x) receiver (Waters) faced off man coverage. Smash route combination beat that off coverage. The second TD that Dorsett caught came against zone coverage. IIRC, u-f-a-g played almost exclusive tight man coverage afterwards. As a result, we struggled passing the ball against that type of coverage.
 
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Dynasty said:
zone3cane said:
Dynasty said:
Zone, I remember a post of yours where you questioned the identity of this offense. My response then is the same now. I want to see our offense execute better against press man coverage because with Morris' ankle issue the better defensive teams are going to play man lock and come after him. Now, if that execution only nets 17 points and a win , there won't be any complaints here. Just another win on the way to the promised land.
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I came into the season thinking James Coley was going to prove himself as being a good offensive coordinator.....

i'm not sure i ever questioned the identity of this offense b/c i knew what the identity was going to be, which is a multiple pro style attack. I thought it was fair to have doubts about him as a coordinator though.

Most teams arent going to try press man coverage against our receivers, and if they do they will get destroyed. Florida is able to get away w/ it b/c they have a dominant defense in general... and even they got burned playing press man coverage against us.
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The first TD we scored against u-f-a-g, they were in press man on the outside receivers, but the inside slot (x) receiver (Waters) faced off man coverage. Smash route combination beat that off coverage. The second TD that Dorsett caught came against zone coverage. IIRC, u-f-a-g played almost exclusive tight man coverage afterwards. As a result, we struggled passing the ball against that type of coverage.
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Dominique Easly is the reason the Gators were able to play press man and have success against Miami.... Easly, Powell, and Fowler forced Morris to miss receivers that were open against Florida's corners. No team remaining on this schedule has a guy that dominant on their d-line.....

VT and FSU would be the only 2 teams that has a good d-line that plays press man at times.... neither of them play press as much as Florida but those will be good games to measure.
 
I haven't had any issues with Coley's playcalling. I understood trying to hammer it into the endzone earlier in the year. They need to be able to do that when it counts. He hasn't tried to get cute in the redzone like Fisch did. Both guys are good. Fisch turned Harris into a decent QB again, and I'm sure he helped Morris. I don't think there's been any downgrade with Coley's hire, plus they get the bonus in recruiting.
 
jakeman1 said:
I haven't had any issues with Coley's playcalling. I understood trying to hammer it into the endzone earlier in the year. They need to be able to do that when it counts. He hasn't tried to get cute in the redzone like Fisch did. Both guys are good. Fisch turned Harris into a decent QB again, and I'm sure he helped Morris. I don't think there's been any downgrade with Coley's hire, plus they get the bonus in recruiting.
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+1. Well said
 
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zone3cane said:
Jedd Fisch was a terrible game day manager..... he was terrible at making adjustments in game, and he was terrible at balancing between run and pass.

you Coley "critics" who are "so concerned" about every thing, keep saying retarded **** like "awww I want to see the offense score points against a good defense" WTF r you all talking about???.....

Miami scored 14 points in the air against the best defense in the entire CFB..... the rest of the game had more to do w/ Al Golden's decision to pull back the offense then it did about James Coley.

Also this entire notion about "scoring on a good defense" is purely ur on opinion..... the only good defenses you all will give credit for is whichever one you want to give credit for. Georgia Tech is considered to have a good defense this year, but since Miami scored so easily on them, GT doesnt count.

Scoring on Virginia Tech wont count to you all either b/c it's not Alabama or some bull****...... how many "good defenses" do you all see on Miami's schedule?

Florida, FSU, and VT.... GT aint good enough for the Coley critics so we'll leave that out. Miami scored 21 on Florida and 14 directly b/c of James Coley's play calling.

What's really going on is all the Coley critics are going to make or break their decision based on one game, and thats FSU.... lol if Miami's offense aint scoring on them easily like they did against USF, then you all will still have "doubts" and "concerns" even if we beat FSU.

And no matter how good the offense looks the entire season, "we didnt score consistently against FSU" will be the phrase that you all will be singing the entire season.
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Preach it! Heel digging is all this is. Dudes get convenient amnesia when it comes to the legend of Ned Fish. They always say they have concerns about Coley because he hasn't killed any great defenses yet. Meanwhile, Fish didn't do **** against great defenses for 2 full years.

On top of all that, everyone was talking up usf and GT as both having good defenses before we played them. And we completely humiliated both of them. But now they're garbage because we made them look like garbage. Dudes will spin **** to death to advance their own agendas.

I had concerns with Coley before the season started because he had never really been the man. That was my concern. He answered that, and now there's no more concerns about him.
 
I'd like to see us run a few more fades and less WR bubble screens in the redzone. Strategically, the WR screens are less likely to succeed there just because the defense's chances of being beat deep decrease dramatically.

I also expected a few more RB screens, but you can see Foley has not opened the full playbook up yet. I expect to see 4-5 of those against FSU. They appear to over pursue a lot in the limited time I've seen them play.
 
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Welp there you have it folks
 
The Franchise said:
zone3cane said:
Jedd Fisch was a terrible game day manager..... he was terrible at making adjustments in game, and he was terrible at balancing between run and pass.

you Coley "critics" who are "so concerned" about every thing, keep saying retarded **** like "awww I want to see the offense score points against a good defense" WTF r you all talking about???.....

Miami scored 14 points in the air against the best defense in the entire CFB..... the rest of the game had more to do w/ Al Golden's decision to pull back the offense then it did about James Coley.

Also this entire notion about "scoring on a good defense" is purely ur on opinion..... the only good defenses you all will give credit for is whichever one you want to give credit for. Georgia Tech is considered to have a good defense this year, but since Miami scored so easily on them, GT doesnt count.

Scoring on Virginia Tech wont count to you all either b/c it's not Alabama or some bull****...... how many "good defenses" do you all see on Miami's schedule?

Florida, FSU, and VT.... GT aint good enough for the Coley critics so we'll leave that out. Miami scored 21 on Florida and 14 directly b/c of James Coley's play calling.

What's really going on is all the Coley critics are going to make or break their decision based on one game, and thats FSU.... lol if Miami's offense aint scoring on them easily like they did against USF, then you all will still have "doubts" and "concerns" even if we beat FSU.

And no matter how good the offense looks the entire season, "we didnt score consistently against FSU" will be the phrase that you all will be singing the entire season.
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Preach it! Heel digging is all this is. Dudes get convenient amnesia when it comes to the legend of Ned Fish. They always say they have concerns about Coley because he hasn't killed any great defenses yet. Meanwhile, Fish didn't do **** against great defenses for 2 full years.

On top of all that, everyone was talking up usf and GT as both having good defenses before we played them. And we completely humiliated both of them. But now they're garbage because we made them look like garbage. Dudes will spin **** to death to advance their own agendas.

I had concerns with Coley before the season started because he had never really been the man. That was my concern. He answered that, and now there's no more concerns about him.
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Not sure who hyped up USF defense considering they had no wins and had not played anyone good. I'd like to see that quote so I can laugh at them. GT, only got hyped because their numbers are decent, but again, its not like they played any team with a strong offense, unless you think VT is some offensive power now. You are abusing digging in. You are using it for everything that someone has a different opinion than you. The same can be said about you guys that you are digging in to your viewpoint. You say he sucked against good defenses for 2 years, but then you all trash JH who was our starter. Maybe it was a personnel issue just as much as a playcalling issue. Really, its an opposing opinion and in all honesty is not even relevant anymore since Fisch is not here.

Personally I'm done with the topic. Lets see how Coley finishes the year, and then we can discuss. (Again, before anyone gets butthurt, this is not criticism of Coley) I think everyone forget how much people loved Whipple in year 1 after Nix left. Then year 2 everyone realized he loved the deep ball way too much and had a QB who didnt have the arm for the deep ball. Then Fisch came in and made JH look good and groomed Stemo for the following season.
 
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Welp there you have it folks
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We knew that already.
 
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