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A quick update after talking to some people

PSU Cane said:
You can say he overrated the talent of the roster, but that roster still should not have been smoked by MTSU. Period. End of discussion. Lock the **** thread because after that, nothing else needs to be said about the coaching job last year.

It's a new year but do not use talent as the excuse last season. It was WELL beyond talent......and it starts with coaching.
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I’m not saying that we have less talent than MTSU, what I’m saying is that when he saw how mentally fragile they were and injuries started piling up, he sensed what a lot of us did and realized that the rot was worse than any of us could have imagined. Like I said in a previous post, it was the ugliest 5-7 I’ve ever seen.
 
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PSU Cane said:
Mario fired most of the coaches and did a full-on reboot, so maybe he can try selling that vision 2.0 thing.
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These kids are probably thinking along the lines of the saying "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me."

It's obvious they're saying we have to see it on the field before we believe vision 2.0.
 
Canedude08 said:
Exactly. Mario made two major mistakes in Year 1: He overrated the talent left behind by Diaz and didn't hit the portal nearly as aggressively as he should and 2: He didn't hire based on fit, he hired based on name recognition. You need a team of coaches, that have well defined roles and are fine with playing said role. You can't have an OC that alienates everyone, and is incompetent at his primary responsibility.
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That’s rookie ****, not $8m man next Saban HC material
 
Canedude08 said:
I’m not saying that we have less talent than MTSU, what I’m saying is that when he saw how mentally fragile they were and injuries started piling up, he sensed what a lot of us did and realized that the rot was worse than any of us could have imagined. Like I said in a previous post, it was the ugliest 5-7 I’ve ever seen.
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I'll paraphrase something Urban Meyer said: blaming the players brought in a previous coach for the current coach's failures is pathetic. Coaches get paid a lot of money to figure out how to get the most out of the roster. If a coach is only capable of being competitive when he has a roster full of his own players, he's not a good coach.
 
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Wario Cristobum said:
I'll paraphrase something Urban Meyer said: blaming the players brought in a previous coach for the current coach's failures is pathetic. Coaches get paid a lot of money to figure out how to get the most out of the roster. If a coach is only capable of being competitive when he has a roster full of his own players, he's not a good coach.
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Cuz Urban Myer's grow on ******* trees right? I see you aren't letting this weekend go to waste are you.... :clapping1:
 
Suhrthing said:
Cuz Urban Myer's grow on ******* trees right? I see you aren't letting this weekend go to waste are you.... :clapping1:
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More excuse making.

OK. You win. O[BGCOLOR=initial]nly a coach that is the caliber of Urban Meyer is capable of winning more games than his predecessor in his first season. What an unreasonable expectation for a coach making a 10 top salary. [/BGCOLOR]
 
Wario Cristobum said:
More excuse making.

OK. You win. O[BGCOLOR=initial]nly a coach that is the caliber of Urban Meyer is capable of winning more games than his predecessor in his first season. What an unreasonable expectation for a coach making a 10 top salary. [/BGCOLOR]
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Cool story. Enjoy your weekend. Take a victory lap for all of us big guy.
 
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AllbouttheU said:
What are you talking about? You should know by now every coach has a recruiting bump in their first year. Recruits just don’t forget about last season, Miami has a lot to prove.
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I don’t disagree Miami needs to win games. What I don’t believe is that 5-7 is why we are missing on as many big targets as we are.
 
Wario Cristobum said:
I'll paraphrase something Urban Meyer said: blaming the players brought in a previous coach for the current coach's failures is pathetic. Coaches get paid a lot of money to figure out how to get the most out of the roster. If a coach is only capable of being competitive when he has a roster full of his own players, he's not a good coach.
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I'll also paraphrase something Urban Meyer said:

"Who's this 99 guy on the Rams? I'm hearing he might be a problem for us."
 
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GoCanes!! said:
this board never ceases to amaze me. Yes there were alot of insider's saying this class would be even better than last years class. seems now that a few kids committed elsewhere and it's back to Mario sucks and can't recruit? after going 5-7 and signing a top 8 class lol.. It's July 1st. there is still a whole season of football to be played and alot of flips to happen.. Miami fans are a joke. if I was a kid I wouldn't want to deal with this whining *** cutthroat fanbase either
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It's a traumatized fan base that has been overpromised and underdelivered for 21 years. It's gotten to the point where I can imagine the most improbably of disasters regardless of who is hired. I mean, historically...

  • Randy Shannon - The great UM defensive legacy brought in to restore Miami to Davis like greatness. Except that he puts large segments of his team into near-permanent dog houses. Loses relationships with South Florida schools. And has an administration that wants to spend like its a Division III school. Can't keep quarterbacks - has only 1 scholarship quarterback in 2009 and just 2 in 2010
  • Al Golden - Comes in with great hype, and then almost immediately has the optimism that every head coach brings (see Matt Rule, NE, now) destroyed by an interminable NCAA investigation whose predetermined goal was to likely give us a four year television ban and a scholarship ban. And he brought in his best friend who ran an exotic defensive scheme that did not work, but he refused to pivot from it
  • Mark Richt - Comes in off of a successful Georgia tenure, takes our good young quarterback and puts him into an offense that makes him run (not a strength), which convinces him in a pre-portal era to go pro early (we go undefeated in the regular season in 2017 had Kayaa stayed). Richt's offense remains stuck in the 1980s and he fails to recruit on the offensive line. Everything offensively implodes in 2018, much like last year
  • Manny Diaz - Inherits the wrecked offense of 2018 and doubles down on it with Enos. Has one of the worst offensive lines of all time in 2019. Gets throttled in year 1 by FIU. Teaches players to shoulder tackle and despite running the defense for six years, cannot recruit linebackers or cornerbacks
  • Mario Cristobal - Comes to Miami at exactly the same time that recruiting prowess begins to mean less because NIL has taken sway and is blowing past the old bags. Inexplicably, he allows his OC to scrap the successful offense that Lashlee was running and produces the absolute worst offense that Miami has seen in 45 years. Loses to Middle Tennessee State! Had more hope and optimism than any coach previously coming in, and destroyed it by his personnel choices on offense
 
GojiraCane said:
It's a traumatized fan base that has been overpromised and underdelivered for 21 years. It's gotten to the point where I can imagine the most improbably of disasters regardless of who is hired. I mean, historically...

  • Randy Shannon - The great UM defensive legacy brought in to restore Miami to Davis like greatness. Except that he puts large segments of his team into near-permanent dog houses. Loses relationships with South Florida schools. And has an administration that wants to spend like its a Division III school. Can't keep quarterbacks - has only 1 scholarship quarterback in 2009 and just 2 in 2010
  • Al Golden - Comes in with great hype, and then almost immediately has the optimism that every head coach brings (see Matt Rule, NE, now) destroyed by an interminable NCAA investigation whose predetermined goal was to likely give us a four year television ban and a scholarship ban. And he brought in his best friend who ran an exotic defensive scheme that did not work, but he refused to pivot from it
  • Mark Richt - Comes in off of a successful Georgia tenure, takes our good young quarterback and puts him into an offense that makes him run (not a strength), which convinces him in a pre-portal era to go pro early (we go undefeated in the regular season in 2017 had Kayaa stayed). Richt's offense remains stuck in the 1980s and he fails to recruit on the offensive line. Everything offensively implodes in 2018, much like last year
  • Manny Diaz - Inherits the wrecked offense of 2018 and doubles down on it with Enos. Has one of the worst offensive lines of all time in 2019. Gets throttled in year 1 by FIU. Teaches players to shoulder tackle and despite running the defense for six years, cannot recruit linebackers or cornerbacks
  • Mario Cristobal - Comes to Miami at exactly the same time that recruiting prowess begins to mean less because NIL has taken sway and is blowing past the old bags. Inexplicably, he allows his OC to scrap the successful offense that Lashlee was running and produces the absolute worst offense that Miami has seen in 45 years. Loses to Middle Tennessee State! Had more hope and optimism than any coach previously coming in, and destroyed it by his personnel choices on offense
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You forgot someone!

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iamB_rock said:
Supposed to be the best month in canes recruiting history! Off to a slow start though
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You guys all have to relax a bit. We are going “big game hunting” for the top players in country, many of which are not even in southeast. All things being equal like NIL $, what argument can be legitimately made to a kid to come here over Bama, Georgia, Ohio St etc. Did you watch us play last year? Even to us die hards, it was beyond embarrassing. Mario is a master recruiter, and is trying to sell:

1. His prior success at Oregon
2. School culture
3. Area opportunities
4. New coaching staff will bring about wins.

These kids rightfully want to see results, instead of merely hoping it is true. We just have win on the field to get these big fish guys. Opposing coaches now simply say to these kids, watch last year’s Miami tape and tell me if they will be good in a minimum of 2-3 yrs. We have to win on field and all else will follow.

This new staff is so much more cohesive and relatable to players, again just need to show it on field. One thing for sure, we will be more aggressive on both sides of ball and the style will be far more appealing ( hard not to be). Let’s hope it translates to winning.
 
GojiraCane said:
It's a traumatized fan base that has been overpromised and underdelivered for 21 years. It's gotten to the point where I can imagine the most improbably of disasters regardless of who is hired. I mean, historically...

  • Randy Shannon - The great UM defensive legacy brought in to restore Miami to Davis like greatness. Except that he puts large segments of his team into near-permanent dog houses. Loses relationships with South Florida schools. And has an administration that wants to spend like its a Division III school. Can't keep quarterbacks - has only 1 scholarship quarterback in 2009 and just 2 in 2010
  • Al Golden - Comes in with great hype, and then almost immediately has the optimism that every head coach brings (see Matt Rule, NE, now) destroyed by an interminable NCAA investigation whose predetermined goal was to likely give us a four year television ban and a scholarship ban. And he brought in his best friend who ran an exotic defensive scheme that did not work, but he refused to pivot from it
  • Mark Richt - Comes in off of a successful Georgia tenure, takes our good young quarterback and puts him into an offense that makes him run (not a strength), which convinces him in a pre-portal era to go pro early (we go undefeated in the regular season in 2017 had Kayaa stayed). Richt's offense remains stuck in the 1980s and he fails to recruit on the offensive line. Everything offensively implodes in 2018, much like last year
  • Manny Diaz - Inherits the wrecked offense of 2018 and doubles down on it with Enos. Has one of the worst offensive lines of all time in 2019. Gets throttled in year 1 by FIU. Teaches players to shoulder tackle and despite running the defense for six years, cannot recruit linebackers or cornerbacks
  • Mario Cristobal - Comes to Miami at exactly the same time that recruiting prowess begins to mean less because NIL has taken sway and is blowing past the old bags. Inexplicably, he allows his OC to scrap the successful offense that Lashlee was running and produces the absolute worst offense that Miami has seen in 45 years. Loses to Middle Tennessee State! Had more hope and optimism than any coach previously coming in, and destroyed it by his personnel choices on offense
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I've said the same exact thing. as soon as we hire an ELITE recruiter, NIL changes the whole recruiting game where words mean nothing and money means everything.. And speaking of which. Ruiz has been quiet lately
 
GoCanes!! said:
I've said the same exact thing. as soon as we hire an ELITE recruiter, NIL changes the whole recruiting game where words mean nothing and money means everything.. And speaking of which. Ruiz has been quiet lately
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Ruiz is broke and Mas spent his money on Messi.

Miami has money but not top 5 class type money. These networks for Bama Georgia Ohio State have been built over 20 years and they are miles ahead of where Miami is when it comes to paying recruits and their families.
 
BeastMode said:
Ruiz is broke and Mas spent his money on Messi.

Miami has money but not top 5 class type money. These networks for Bama Georgia Ohio State have been built over 20 years and they are miles ahead of where Miami is when it comes to paying recruits and their families.
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The elite programs don’t always pay the most in NIL. They don’t need to.

Unfortunately, we aren’t in that boat.
 
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