A little Cristobal/ Kiffin perspective today...

[bmorecane]

Mammy looked better this week than Mario or Lane.

So what does Manny do with Cristobal’s budget? I’m not sure there is discernible difference. It’s all about getting the right coaches under them and changing the recruiting narritive. Cristobal will rescue the 22 class. To do the same, Manny would need to make a splash DC hire and maybe bring in Highsmith. Also replace Patke and retain Lashee.

 

[theibisrules]

It’s just laughable if you think we’re getting a coach with a better resume than Mario.

12 win season, rose bowl, two conference championships (3rd on the way), beat OSU on the road.

Is he perfect? No but you’re banking that Miami can pull the talent to keep these games from happening. Also, we don’t know that the Miami rumors didn’t impact Oregon’s players

Not only that the kids come to play for Mario, do these class clowns in here not think these kids read internet reports? When people want your coach, it kills the camaraderie of the team. It happened in Stanford and it happened yesterday in Utah. Plus that QB is a flash in the pan, he constantly makes bad decisions.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Just some perspective on the two leading candidates on this board and the topic of this thread.

For those of you that watched the Oregon v. Utah game last night, how come you didn't notice the bigger picture?

Cristobal has been the full time HC at Oregon since 2018. He is 22-9 in conference. During that same time, Kyle Whittingham is 24-7. These two have coached against each other three times, during that time. Kyle is 2-1 against Mario.

Kyle isn't my number #1 choice but I'd have to imagine if Mario never coached/played for Miami, many of you would rather have Kyle > Mario simply based on the actual results. I also don't want to hear that Utah is some elite place to coach/recruit. There is a good chance, assuming Mario can beat Oregon State, they will have another matchup this season in the PAC-12 Conference game. Regardless, Kyle has done a better job in the same conference, during the same time frame, with much less.

As for Lane, removing his tenure at FAU and discussing his actual college tenure (updated after yesterday):

1. His overall record is 49-28
2. His conference record is 30-23
3. Zero conference championships in those 7 seasons*.

*Yes, Lane was 7-2 in conference in 2010. That same year Oregon was 8-1 and Stanford was 8-1. Maybe he beats one of them in the Conference championship, maybe not. Also, Ole Miss was eliminated from the SEC CG after Alabama won yesterday.

Now an opinion on Lane, I don't see the appeal. It is not like he has done anything to stand out. No, I don't expect him to beat Bama and win the SEC. With that said, I want someone better than a 30-23 in conference record.

This is why we need a competent AD. Not emotional idiots, myself included, making decisions.

 

[Consigliere]

This is why we need a competent AD. Not emotional idiots, myself included, making decisions.

Only thing that matters is the hiring of a competent, passionate AD with autonomy.

 

[TallyCane]

Mario or Lane. Anybody else would be a step back, They both have there flaws and reasons why you would want one over the other. You can’t look at one game to determine a coach future success ability.

 

[dirtyred786]

I'll take Kiffin's 9-2 record in the SEC over Mario's 9-2 record in the Pac 12.

Pac12 is worse than the ACC and even though Oregon is 9-2, they aren't dominating the competition out there.

 

[dirtyred786]

Just wish we could expect Lane to give us a solid amount of time. No way to put it into a contract that can’t ultimately be paid off. I am too worried that he gives us only 3 years and bolts for a better opportunity. Mario is the more stable hire since he is slim. He won’t do the U like that because of how it would look. Lane has shown that he is all about Lane, and that’s a problem for me.

We would be a contender for those three years. I'll take it. If he leaves, we hire another coach.

 

[MizCane]

That sounds like manny lol

Except for he’s still first in his division and actually they do have more to play for by controlling their own destiny.

 

[RyanCane26]

Lol @ checked out on him...

This is who he is and his team is..... They lose 2-3 a year that they shouldnt...had this circled as a loss all week

They were the underdogs

 

[Negro-Wan Kanobi]

Mammy looked better this week than Mario or Lane.

Mammy..... Eye am HOWLING!!!!!


OK, imma say this, though. We don't know what the future holds for Mario or Lane coming here, even Aranda, who seems to be #3 if the other two decide to say no.
With that being said... who knows if Mario will become our next JJ or if Kiffin becomes our next Erickson? No one knows, this is a crap shoot.. but I will say I would be happy with either or. Mario and Kiffin are both neck and neck for me. Either or would work out here. Should be grateful. Our BOTS and Frenk could've done nothing after being called out, too.

 

[miamimike]

Our last 3 coaches we’ve gotten 2 guys from temple and a burned out Mark Richt.

All of this talk is silly. If there REALLY is a legit scenario where the University of Miami is choosing between Mario Cristobal and Lane Kiffin, who gives a **** which one it is? We’ve all gotten what we’ve been begging for for 20 years.

Simple and reasonable take

 

[Consigliere]

Mario or Lane. Anybody else would be a step back, They both have there flaws and reasons why you would want one over the other. You can’t look at one game to determine a coach future success ability.

How about their track record, which I broke down above.

 

[ScubaCane]

Kiffin would coach circles around Mario

 

[Baba Yaga]

At least we're not looking at Temple's coach.

 

[miamimike]

History says we never get our top dogs. Obviously I would be pumped to get either Lane or Mario. I would be extremely pleased to get Hermann or Fickel also.

Give me an exciting product. A top 10 recruiting class. An attacking offense that scores 35+ every week and an attacking defense with sound defensive principals that can hold most teams to under 20 and that consistently can stop 3rd & 4th and longs. Give me a 10 win team year in year out that every few years gets in the playoffs.

Are all those things still realistic expectations for us?

 

[SWFLHurricane]

What are you talking about?

Mario already did us like that once. He was here for dinner and a movie under Golden, and then skipped out of town to go to Bama. I don’t blame him for doing so, since Golden sucked and Sabag is Sabag. But it’s disingenuous to say that he wouldn’t “do us like that.”

In my opinion, Herman, Kiffin or Freeze are better HC choices. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don’t have a big time offensive mind in today’s CFB, it’s really difficult to be elite or win championships.

Even Saban adapted to running an attacking spread, and abandoned his bludgeoning the other team to death style.

Kiffin, Herman and Freeze all understand this. Not sure that Mario does. Plus, in my opinion, TVD and Garcia will really grow even more and flourish under any of the 3 aforementioned coaches. There are red flags for me concerning Mario when it comes to QB’s.

Recruiting is important, but I actually believe that top kids will wanna come play here knowing that we’re gonna light up the scoreboard on a weekly basis.

Lane had some great recruiting classes at USC, and also at TN. He can recruit. People are underestimating him in that regard.

I also did not like that fact that Mario told the fans to stop booing at home games. That is not alpha at all. Lane is a savage that wants to beat other teams by as many as he can. Not sure that Mario has that edge about him.

Mario’s pluses are his charisma, ability to connect well with high school kids, and that he learned under Sabag.

But Lane also learned under Sabag, and was the OC for Bama title teams. Kiffin also worked for Pete Carroll at USC and learned under Chow. If Lane can get a great DC and guys that can recruit, I prefer him as our next HC.

Mario learned a ton more from Butch than Saban..and he'll tell you that himself...

 

[TooColdToHold]

Just wish we could expect Lane to give us a solid amount of time. No way to put it into a contract that can’t ultimately be paid off. I am too worried that he gives us only 3 years and bolts for a better opportunity. Mario is the more stable hire since he is slim. He won’t do the U like that because of how it would look. Lane has shown that he is all about Lane, and that’s a problem for me.

I would expect less than three years. I think NFL teams will be intrigued by his offensive prowess and someone will give him another shot in the league.

 

[miamimike]

Just wish we could expect Lane to give us a solid amount of time. No way to put it into a contract that can’t ultimately be paid off. I am too worried that he gives us only 3 years and bolts for a better opportunity. Mario is the more stable hire since he is slim. He won’t do the U like that because of how it would look. Lane has shown that he is all about Lane, and that’s a problem for me.

I’ll say it again. If someone poaches him from us after 3 years it’s because we are having success. I’ll take that.

 

[SayWhat]

You may very well be right, but I think for the time being nine or 10 games might be the ceiling. Not always, but for the next couple of years at least anyway.

I mean I’m ambivalent on all of the coaching candidates to be honest, I can’t think of one that’s a slam dunk right now. Who would you prefer?

If was picking out of the top candidates, Lane all the way.

We are the skill position capital of the country. You light teams up on offense, we'll start anding a lot of those kids who leave the area.

I don't care if this job is a springboard to a better one. That's what we used to be about and we got 5 NC's from it.

Dave Aranda would've been my second choice. That man knows defense and maybe he swings some of those SEC DL wardaddies to go with out local talent. He would make our defense filthy

Stoopes, a guy who does more with less as anyone in the country.

Fickell, what he's doing at Cincy is amazing. I think he would kill it here.

Herman, would be another offensive beast. My one and only hangup is obviously the Texas stint. Maybe he didn't get enough time or who knows what. It's a concern though.

Mario would be a lifer. Wouldn't hate it, but I would pick every guy above before him. I want a guy who does more with less and Mario doesn't fit that bill. Too many weird losses, close games and that beat down he took last night was bad. I was willing to overlook most of it, conference games are rough as everyone knows your tendencies, etc. It levels the playing field in most cases. Wouldn't complain if he was the guy and know I would have to be patient.

 

[CorniceCane]

What are you talking about?

Mario already did us like that once. He was here for dinner and a movie under Golden, and then skipped out of town to go to Bama. I don’t blame him for doing so, since Golden sucked and Sabag is Sabag. But it’s disingenuous to say that he wouldn’t “do us like that.”

In my opinion, Herman, Kiffin or Freeze are better HC choices. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don’t have a big time offensive mind in today’s CFB, it’s really difficult to be elite or win championships.

Even Saban adapted to running an attacking spread, and abandoned his bludgeoning the other team to death style.

Kiffin, Herman and Freeze all understand this. Not sure that Mario does. Plus, in my opinion, TVD and Garcia will really grow even more and flourish under any of the 3 aforementioned coaches. There are red flags for me concerning Mario when it comes to QB’s.

Recruiting is important, but I actually believe that top kids will wanna come play here knowing that we’re gonna light up the scoreboard on a weekly basis.

Lane had some great recruiting classes at USC, and also at TN. He can recruit. People are underestimating him in that regard.

I also did not like that fact that Mario told the fans to stop booing at home games. That is not alpha at all. Lane is a savage that wants to beat other teams by as many as he can. Not sure that Mario has that edge about him.

Mario’s pluses are his charisma, ability to connect well with high school kids, and that he learned under Sabag.

But Lane also learned under Sabag, and was the OC for Bama title teams. Kiffin also worked for Pete Carroll at USC and learned under Chow. If Lane can get a great DC and guys that can recruit, I prefer him as our next HC.

Really? You think Lane is a stable hire if we were to bring him in? He is the ultimate climber. I get his latest climb from disgrace to FAU to Ole Miss, with us being a likely next up destination. But where has he been for more than an instant (either to his or more often, someone else’s choice). There stops at Bama, Tennessee, Oakland Raiders, USC. C’mon man, this goes without saying. Can’t believe that you are putting Mario, underneath (I.e. as an assistant) as a comparison to Lane’s coaching carousel career. My concerns is massive instability and a lack of running out of a place in the middle of the night (or being run out and told to figure out how to get home).

I can appreciate your comments relative to more exciting offenses to support Van Dyke and what we may have behind him, but don’t twist my words. I don’t want to be going through this in 3 years, when the next opportunity shows up. I would like at least 6 years of year-over-year building and staying at the top before looking for another coach and I don’t think that Lane is it.

On the other hand, if Freeze were a possible candidate, he could be interesting as I believe that he would be loyal to the program that gives him another chance. But you will see the smoke trail from Lane burning out of town before any success takes hold long term, and we will be right back at it.