A little Cristobal/ Kiffin perspective today...

You get him to agree to a 4 year contract with a huge buyout in case someone try’s to poach him.
Is 4 years enough though? I would like to be able to lock it down for 6 if we think that he is the guy. But we are apparently trying to do the same to Mario, with a large buyout too. It becomes a vicious cycle of teams that received buy out money using it to buy someone else out because they now have the funds to do so. Doesn’t necessarily work. We need stability like no other…but a new and competent head coach first.
 
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Really? You think Lane is a stable hire if we were to bring him in? He is the ultimate climber. I get his latest climb from disgrace to FAU to Ole Miss, with us being a likely next up destination. But where has he been for more than an instant (either to his or more often, someone else’s choice). There stops at Bama, Tennessee, Oakland Raiders, USC. C’mon man, this goes without saying. Can’t believe that you are putting Mario, underneath (I.e. as an assistant) as a comparison to Lane’s coaching carousel career. My concerns is massive instability and a lack of running out of a place in the middle of the night (or being run out and told to figure out how to get home).

I can appreciate your comments relative to more exciting offenses to support Van Dyke and what we may have behind him, but don’t twist my words. I don’t want to be going through this in 3 years, when the next opportunity shows up. I would like at least 6 years of year-over-year building and staying at the top before looking for another coach and I don’t think that Lane is it.

On the other hand, if Freeze were a possible candidate, he could be interesting as I believe that he would be loyal to the program that gives him another chance. But you will see the smoke trail from Lane burning out of town before any success takes hold long term, and we will be right back at it.

What is unstable about a climber? Who says we need to keep a guy for 5-10 years for it to have been a good hire? If they do well you collect a nice buyout and you go out and hire a new coach with a lot more leverage and strength than you had when you hired the last guy.
 
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What is unstable about a climber? Who says we need to keep a guy for 5-10 years for it to have been a good hire? If they do well you collect a nice buyout and you go our and hire a new coach with a lot more leverage and strength than you had when you hired the last guy.
Only at UM do we see it as a bad thing that someone else would want one of our coaches
 
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Only at UM do we see it as a bad thing that someone else would want one of our coaches
That’s not the point. Perhaps we could experience consistency for once in say, 20 years. If they want to hire a coordinator, okay. A guy with a coaching tree and lots of friends can reload. But your head coach? Now you are going to start fresh again.

Absent moving around sooo much, Lane could be a great hire. But have you seen his resume and time at each institution? His longest stint was FAU…3 years. This is the end of his second season at Ole Miss.

How do you think that Ole Miss is going to fare in their head coaching search when he bolts? You think FAU is better off or worse off with Old Willie? I don’t want to be holding my d1ck in my hands in 2-3 years when the Lane train moves in to another station (NFL, Bama, Any Other Better Job). That will put us right back where we are now; for a proven winner and not rolling the dice on an up and comer.
 
Both of your names would win big at UM. Fickell a litter more balanced and Campbell great on offense, ok on defense.

I'm REALLY high on Fickell. Nothing to not like about him. Has the perfect background. Campbell would be my "bargin" hire. My only knock on him is the Golden esque come up. I'd only want him to possibly bring his d coordinator but no one else. I think he is a **** good coach to coach the team up despite possible coodinator flaws.
 
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So what does Manny do with Cristobal’s budget? I’m not sure there is discernible difference. It’s all about getting the right coaches under them and changing the recruiting narritive. Cristobal will rescue the 22 class. To do the same, Manny would need to make a splash DC hire and maybe bring in Highsmith. Also replace Patke and retain Lashee.
I’m not sure it matters either today or when he was first hired for a few reasons.

One, his coaching tree was small with little pull, especially when first hired.

Two, I’m not sure he was capable of picking the right guys and/or wanted guys that were not yes men on defense. He spent big on Enos and that was a disaster. On defense he finally landed TRob and by all accounts it is frosty, at best.

Three, at this point there is no coach worth their salt that would hitch their wagon to a guy on that hot of a seat. He revamped his staff for his initial bad hires multiple times now. You only get so many bites at that apple.
 
Really? You think Lane is a stable hire if we were to bring him in? He is the ultimate climber. I get his latest climb from disgrace to FAU to Ole Miss, with us being a likely next up destination. But where has he been for more than an instant (either to his or more often, someone else’s choice). There stops at Bama, Tennessee, Oakland Raiders, USC. C’mon man, this goes without saying. Can’t believe that you are putting Mario, underneath (I.e. as an assistant) as a comparison to Lane’s coaching carousel career. My concerns is massive instability and a lack of running out of a place in the middle of the night (or being run out and told to figure out how to get home).

I can appreciate your comments relative to more exciting offenses to support Van Dyke and what we may have behind him, but don’t twist my words. I don’t want to be going through this in 3 years, when the next opportunity shows up. I would like at least 6 years of year-over-year building and staying at the top before looking for another coach and I don’t think that Lane is it.

On the other hand, if Freeze were a possible candidate, he could be interesting as I believe that he would be loyal to the program that gives him another chance. But you will see the smoke trail from Lane burning out of town before any success takes hold long term, and we will be right back at it.

The greatness of the University of Miami was built on extremely ambitious coaches who won then left. 3 times in a row we had HCs that won championships and left for the NFL. Bama was built on the Bear Bryant types who stay in the job for 100 years, UM wasn't. Why are you so concerned about having a coach that might follow the pattern of the 3 of 4 championship winning HCs at UM?
 
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I’m not sure who I would rather have Mario or Lane, what some of you are forgetting is college is dominated by elite quarterbacks. Oregon doesn’t have anything close to that
 
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The greatness of the University of Miami was built on extremely ambitious coaches who won then left. 3 times in a row we had HCs that won championships and left for the NFL. Bama was built on the Bear Bryant types who stay in the job for 100 years, UM wasn't. Why are you so concerned about having a coach that might follow the pattern of the 3 of 4 championship winning HCs at UM?
We sure had a formula. We had the best talent in the country that NO ONE knew about. Now these kids are marketing themselves in high school like it is their full time jobs. Our coaches were good but the kids brought the talent and the attitude (Bratton, Irvin, Blades, Highsmith…I’ve hung with them all). When a school like FSU is running circles around us in recruiting with a garbage team (shouldn’t have even been a close game and we managed to ***** it up…thanks Manolo) and according to some, their recruiting budget is enormous compared to ours, I realize that we need to adapt to the times, not 83, 87, 88, etc. ****, even in 99-2002, social media didn’t exist and recruiters still had to sort through leads to figure out who was worthwhile down here. That was our edge, and it’s now gone thanks to the internet and social media among other things.

SEC is going to rule the day given the unfair play of ESPN and how they are using the SEC and the SEC is using ESPN to make money. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. And that is what ultimately runs the show. Money. Look at the top of the house and you see consistency. Three years from a coach isn’t bring you ****. Look at Nick, Dabo, OSU is being handed down through the program, they all have created a machine and that is how you stay there, not going on a coaching expedition every theee years.

While I agree that coaches being lured away is indicative of a successful program, it leads to further missteps. We have been through **** since Butch. Coker, Shannon, Golden, CMR, Corch Manolo Diaz, and it all has amounted to further dilution of our beloved team and reputation. Guess what, we cannot go further down the tubes or we will finally know irrelevancy for good. This hire has to be done methodically and correctly.

I have been around this team through the best of years and the most recent 20 years of decline and ****. Trying to go back to Schnelly’s methods (RIP) of leaving your pipe behind has run it’s course. The kids have changed, the game has changed and the exposure that these kids get has changed.

We need to hit on a coach that can bring the Schnelly confidence to the hometown kids; sell them on staying home to rep The U and use their relevancy and credibility to bring back our program’s relevance. Only then can our talent be good enough and deep enough to be able to execute with proper coaching. We need someone to create the stability to open the local pipeline for good. No reason Stevenson shouldn’t have been here as a freshman. I’m not talking about getting a J Williams or L Taylor every once in a while, I’m talking about getting them here ALL of the time. Rep the crib! A coaching carousel will not provide for this. So who will be the JJ or Dennis Erickson to pick up the pieces if we are never relevant enough to get them to want to come? Who will be the next coaching hire but a shot in the dark like we have experienced for the last 20 years? That is why we need more than 3 and done!
 
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