X's n O's or Jim's n Joe's...

[Canes_]

If our main issue is talent, that's on Golden. He's been here for three years, enough time to replace a lot of these veterans. Wasn't the guy supposed to be some amazing talent evaluator? Are you telling me in three years, with a team located in South Florida, he can't identify and develop enough kids to get Gaines, Rodgers, Highsmith, Cornelius, and Green off the field?

If our issue is coaching, well obviously that's on Golden too.

Whatever it is, it goes back to the HC.

 

[Notsince1985]

According to the "it's only the talent" crowd, Georgia Southern could also hang with South Carolina, since USC barely beat Florida at home last week. No, see, that's not how it works. Florida quit. Plain and simple. Florida was up for the USC game, and did not even bother showing up today. Miami doesn't have great talent, but enough talent to slow down horrible offenses in Duke, Virginia and VT. Miami has more talent than Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Miami doesn't have FSU or Bama talent, but coaching is why we're giving up 500 yards and not 300 yards to HORRIBLE middle school type offensively talented teams.

 

[bobbydigius]

According to the "it's only the talent" crowd, Georgia Southern could also hang with South Carolina, since USC barely beat Florida at home last week. No, see, that's not how it works. Florida quit. Plain and simple. Florida was up for the USC game, and did not even bother showing up today. Miami doesn't have great talent, but enough talent to slow down horrible offenses in Duke, Virginia and VT. Miami has more talent than Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Miami doesn't have FSU or Bama talent, but coaching is why we're giving up 500 yards and not 300 yards to HORRIBLE middle school type offensively talented teams.

Stop with this logic, you'll be labeled negative and not sharp..........

 

[CanesAreAble]

According to the "it's only the talent" crowd, Georgia Southern could also hang with South Carolina, since USC barely beat Florida at home last week. No, see, that's not how it works. Florida quit. Plain and simple. Florida was up for the USC game, and did not even bother showing up today. Miami doesn't have great talent, but enough talent to slow down horrible offenses in Duke, Virginia and VT. Miami has more talent than Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Miami doesn't have FSU or Bama talent, but coaching is why we're giving up 500 yards and not 300 yards to HORRIBLE middle school type offensively talented teams.

I don't know, man.

By this linear logic, that would mean that Golden and D'Onofrio are dumber than the coaches at Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Maybe that's the case, but they wouldn't have gotten to this point in their careers if they were totally inept.

Now that doesn't guarantee that things will work out for Golden at Miami, but I think our problems on defense are being over-simplified. I think it's a confluence of circumstances:

1. Lack of talent and/or experience at critical positions (namely all over the front 7)
2. Poor implementation of the scheme thus far
3. Fatigue due to lack of depth
4. Inefficient offense, especially with Duke and Dorsett out

 

[JackOAT]

To answer the OP, it is both.

Franchise's post is strong. There isn't a single player on Georgia Southern that could even walk on at UF. Put any of the linemen in an Oklahoma Drill and there isn't a single Georgia Southern player that would win a single battle. But, there are other factors at hand. When you have a team that has quit or doesn't give a **** (look at Oregon today versus Arizona), **** like today happens, especially when you combine it with other factors, like, in our case, having a defensive scheme that doesn't suit the players we have or have at our disposal to recruit (square peg, round hole in most cases).

It is rarely one thing when you have complete breakdowns like UF is having, or we have had on defense for two seasons now.

Smart football guys see the importance of the emotional prong of the game of football. I knew Oregon was going to struggle the rest of the way when a couple of their players came out this week and said they don't give a **** about playing in the Rose Bowl this year.

It should be obvious to anyone that uf.ag is a dead team. They completely packed it in. It's the only explanation for them getting bum rushed for 450 on the ground by a high school team.

I concur, when a team is mentally not committed….you get those results.

And i am NOT a D'onfrio fan, but I am very present to the fact that this staff came into to the worst situation possible from an on roster talent standpoint, culture of current players(entitled ****es that don't work hard) and a recruiting possibility standpoint(NCAA…). Allegations of abortions, pay to play….(non of us want to relive it)…and the negative recruiting(death penalty..).

This staff has not been giving a real shot and they're recruiting their asses off to bring in their FIRST big time class, thanks to the "cloud" being behind us. And from the looks of it, this class is going to be the first of many special classes.

I am of the opinion that having big time talent gives coaches and coordinators the flexibility to implement and succeed with there intended philosophy…and this staff seems capable of bringing in the studs to do just that.

As I pleaded for Coker and Shannon to be gone...If the time comes that we don't succeed with legit talent…I'll pitch in for the banner "fire…"

Legit talent? You're right. Nobody wanted Tracy, Artie, Deon, Carter, Chickillo, Kirby, LRob, Porter, Perryman, Grimble, AQM, Gilbert, Corn Elder, McCord, Rodgers, Cornelius, etc.

….

funny you mention that. Whose fault is it that his recruits cant beat any of these guys out?

 

[NVA CANE]

According to the "it's only the talent" crowd, Georgia Southern could also hang with South Carolina, since USC barely beat Florida at home last week. No, see, that's not how it works. Florida quit. Plain and simple. Florida was up for the USC game, and did not even bother showing up today. Miami doesn't have great talent, but enough talent to slow down horrible offenses in Duke, Virginia and VT. Miami has more talent than Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Miami doesn't have FSU or Bama talent, but coaching is why we're giving up 500 yards and not 300 yards to HORRIBLE middle school type offensively talented teams.

I don't know, man.

By this linear logic, that would mean that Golden and D'Onofrio are dumber than the coaches at Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Maybe that's the case, but they wouldn't have gotten to this point in their careers if they were totally inept.

Now that doesn't guarantee that things will work out for Golden at Miami, but I think our problems on defense are being over-simplified. I think it's a confluence of circumstances:

1. Lack of talent and/or experience at critical positions (namely all over the front 7)
2. Poor implementation of the scheme thus far
3. Fatigue due to lack of depth
4. Inefficient offense, especially with Duke and Dorsett out

Why can't it just be coaching when we are talking about our defensive performances agains the likes of UVA or Wake? How many times have we seen coordinators get fired and the new coordinator improves the offense or defense immediately? It's happened often. **** look at USC. Fired kiffin and now they are playing above their expectations.

We definitely have problems with lack of talent against elite teams. But we have more than enough to stop UVA from racking up 480+ yards or wake from taking us 20 some points. Lastly this is not just a defensive problem the whole program from an on field perspective is a complete mess and failure.

 

[CanesAreAble]

According to the "it's only the talent" crowd, Georgia Southern could also hang with South Carolina, since USC barely beat Florida at home last week. No, see, that's not how it works. Florida quit. Plain and simple. Florida was up for the USC game, and did not even bother showing up today. Miami doesn't have great talent, but enough talent to slow down horrible offenses in Duke, Virginia and VT. Miami has more talent than Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Miami doesn't have FSU or Bama talent, but coaching is why we're giving up 500 yards and not 300 yards to HORRIBLE middle school type offensively talented teams.

I don't know, man.

By this linear logic, that would mean that Golden and D'Onofrio are dumber than the coaches at Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Maybe that's the case, but they wouldn't have gotten to this point in their careers if they were totally inept.

Now that doesn't guarantee that things will work out for Golden at Miami, but I think our problems on defense are being over-simplified. I think it's a confluence of circumstances:

1. Lack of talent and/or experience at critical positions (namely all over the front 7)
2. Poor implementation of the scheme thus far
3. Fatigue due to lack of depth
4. Inefficient offense, especially with Duke and Dorsett out

Why can't it just be coaching when we are talking about our defensive performances agains the likes of UVA or Wake? How many times have we seen coordinators get fired and the new coordinator improves the offense or defense immediately? It's happened often. **** look at USC. Fired kiffin and now they are playing above their expectations.

We definitely have problems with lack of talent against elite teams. But we have more than enough to stop UVA from racking up 480+ yards or wake from taking us 20 some points. Lastly this is not just a defensive problem the whole program from an on field perspective is a complete mess and failure.

It could simply be coaching.

Personally I don't think it's that easy, but maybe so.

 

[Canes_]

According to the "it's only the talent" crowd, Georgia Southern could also hang with South Carolina, since USC barely beat Florida at home last week. No, see, that's not how it works. Florida quit. Plain and simple. Florida was up for the USC game, and did not even bother showing up today. Miami doesn't have great talent, but enough talent to slow down horrible offenses in Duke, Virginia and VT. Miami has more talent than Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Miami doesn't have FSU or Bama talent, but coaching is why we're giving up 500 yards and not 300 yards to HORRIBLE middle school type offensively talented teams.

I don't know, man.

By this linear logic, that would mean that Golden and D'Onofrio are dumber than the coaches at Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Maybe that's the case, but they wouldn't have gotten to this point in their careers if they were totally inept.

Now that doesn't guarantee that things will work out for Golden at Miami, but I think our problems on defense are being over-simplified. I think it's a confluence of circumstances:

1. Lack of talent and/or experience at critical positions (namely all over the front 7)
2. Poor implementation of the scheme thus far
3. Fatigue due to lack of depth
4. Inefficient offense, especially with Duke and Dorsett out

The only relevant experience (DC) D'Onofrio has is with Temple. Let's not act like he made a name for himself with decent programs before coming to Miami. It's very possible and highly likely D'Onofrio is dumber than the coaches at Memphis, Troy, and Ball State.

 

[CanesAreAble]

According to the "it's only the talent" crowd, Georgia Southern could also hang with South Carolina, since USC barely beat Florida at home last week. No, see, that's not how it works. Florida quit. Plain and simple. Florida was up for the USC game, and did not even bother showing up today. Miami doesn't have great talent, but enough talent to slow down horrible offenses in Duke, Virginia and VT. Miami has more talent than Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Miami doesn't have FSU or Bama talent, but coaching is why we're giving up 500 yards and not 300 yards to HORRIBLE middle school type offensively talented teams.

I don't know, man.

By this linear logic, that would mean that Golden and D'Onofrio are dumber than the coaches at Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Maybe that's the case, but they wouldn't have gotten to this point in their careers if they were totally inept.

Now that doesn't guarantee that things will work out for Golden at Miami, but I think our problems on defense are being over-simplified. I think it's a confluence of circumstances:

1. Lack of talent and/or experience at critical positions (namely all over the front 7)
2. Poor implementation of the scheme thus far
3. Fatigue due to lack of depth
4. Inefficient offense, especially with Duke and Dorsett out

The only relevant experience (DC) D'Onofrio has is with Temple. Let's not act like he made a name for himself with decent programs before coming to Miami. It's very possible and highly likely D'Onofrio is dumber than the coaches at Memphis, Troy, and Ball State.

Maybe, but why is it "highly likely"?

He coordinated a top 20 defense at Temple, same conference as Ball State.

Maybe the guys at those schools would get "exposed" too, if they moved to bigger conferences.

I just think the vitriol has gotten out of control.

 

[jmbflame21]

Smart football guys see the importance of the emotional prong of the game of football. I knew Oregon was going to struggle the rest of the way when a couple of their players came out this week and said they don't give a **** about playing in the Rose Bowl this year.

It should be obvious to anyone that uf.ag is a dead team. They completely packed it in. It's the only explanation for them getting bum rushed for 450 on the ground by a high school team.

I concur, when a team is mentally not committed….you get those results.

And i am NOT a D'onfrio fan, but I am very present to the fact that this staff came into to the worst situation possible from an on roster talent standpoint, culture of current players(entitled ****es that don't work hard) and a recruiting possibility standpoint(NCAA…). Allegations of abortions, pay to play….(non of us want to relive it)…and the negative recruiting(death penalty..).

This staff has not been giving a real shot and they're recruiting their asses off to bring in their FIRST big time class, thanks to the "cloud" being behind us. And from the looks of it, this class is going to be the first of many special classes.

I am of the opinion that having big time talent gives coaches and coordinators the flexibility to implement and succeed with there intended philosophy…and this staff seems capable of bringing in the studs to do just that.

As I pleaded for Coker and Shannon to be gone...If the time comes that we don't succeed with legit talent…I'll pitch in for the banner "fire…"

Legit talent? You're right. Nobody wanted Tracy, Artie, Deon, Carter, Chickillo, Kirby, LRob, Porter, Perryman, Grimble, AQM, Gilbert, Corn Elder, McCord, Rodgers, Cornelius, etc.

….

funny you mention that. Whose fault is it that his recruits cant beat any of these guys out?

Golden knows that his guys are more talented than what Shannon left him. He plays the seniors mostly because of everything theyve been through at Miami, he references it all the time in interviews. How we have to "play for the seniors" and "honor the seniors". There is someone to this, imo. He wants the seniors to get as much exposure and playing time as possible. He feels he owes them for "standing with the U" through tough times. That's why you hardly see any seniors that DONT play, except maybe Kelvin Cain lol.

Once we get past these ****** senior classes (this year (2010 recruiting class) and next year (2011 recruiting class)). We will have the 2012 recruiting class (Golden's first FULL class) as seniors. At that point we can judge how well Golden can build a team. I think we will be pretty **** good in 2015, especially if Golden can keep together the top 5 class he has now for 2014, and then duplicate it in 2015.

 

[DeadPoets]

According to the "it's only the talent" crowd, Georgia Southern could also hang with South Carolina, since USC barely beat Florida at home last week. No, see, that's not how it works. Florida quit. Plain and simple. Florida was up for the USC game, and did not even bother showing up today. Miami doesn't have great talent, but enough talent to slow down horrible offenses in Duke, Virginia and VT. Miami has more talent than Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Miami doesn't have FSU or Bama talent, but coaching is why we're giving up 500 yards and not 300 yards to HORRIBLE middle school type offensively talented teams.

I don't know, man.

By this linear logic, that would mean that Golden and D'Onofrio are dumber than the coaches at Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Maybe that's the case, but they wouldn't have gotten to this point in their careers if they were totally inept.

Now that doesn't guarantee that things will work out for Golden at Miami, but I think our problems on defense are being over-simplified. I think it's a confluence of circumstances:

1. Lack of talent and/or experience at critical positions (namely all over the front 7)
2. Poor implementation of the scheme thus far
3. Fatigue due to lack of depth
4. Inefficient offense, especially with Duke and Dorsett out

The only relevant experience (DC) D'Onofrio has is with Temple. Let's not act like he made a name for himself with decent programs before coming to Miami. It's very possible and highly likely D'Onofrio is dumber than the coaches at Memphis, Troy, and Ball State.

Maybe, but why is it "highly likely"?

He coordinated a top 20 defense at Temple, same conference as Ball State.

Maybe the guys at those schools would get "exposed" too, if they moved to bigger conferences.

I just think the vitriol has gotten out of control.

People overhype this top 20 scoring defense. What was their total defense? Who were their offensive opponents? (I can tell you, it's terrible. buffalo, Villanova, kent St, etc)

The only time they played decent spread offenses from the MACC they got run out of the stadium.

Golden & D'onofrio learned and played under schemes that weren't designed to stop spread offenses of today. Why? Because no big ten schools in the fvckin 80s were running spread. **** they only now have a few teams. Last conference to the party)

We're stuck with some tards and that's that. We need a DC (and maybe HC) from a really good coaching tree. Not this Al Groh ****.

 

[CanesAreAble]

According to the "it's only the talent" crowd, Georgia Southern could also hang with South Carolina, since USC barely beat Florida at home last week. No, see, that's not how it works. Florida quit. Plain and simple. Florida was up for the USC game, and did not even bother showing up today. Miami doesn't have great talent, but enough talent to slow down horrible offenses in Duke, Virginia and VT. Miami has more talent than Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Miami doesn't have FSU or Bama talent, but coaching is why we're giving up 500 yards and not 300 yards to HORRIBLE middle school type offensively talented teams.

I don't know, man.

By this linear logic, that would mean that Golden and D'Onofrio are dumber than the coaches at Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Maybe that's the case, but they wouldn't have gotten to this point in their careers if they were totally inept.

Now that doesn't guarantee that things will work out for Golden at Miami, but I think our problems on defense are being over-simplified. I think it's a confluence of circumstances:

1. Lack of talent and/or experience at critical positions (namely all over the front 7)
2. Poor implementation of the scheme thus far
3. Fatigue due to lack of depth
4. Inefficient offense, especially with Duke and Dorsett out

The only relevant experience (DC) D'Onofrio has is with Temple. Let's not act like he made a name for himself with decent programs before coming to Miami. It's very possible and highly likely D'Onofrio is dumber than the coaches at Memphis, Troy, and Ball State.

Maybe, but why is it "highly likely"?

He coordinated a top 20 defense at Temple, same conference as Ball State.

Maybe the guys at those schools would get "exposed" too, if they moved to bigger conferences.

I just think the vitriol has gotten out of control.

People overhype this top 20 scoring defense. What was their total defense? Who were their offensive opponents? (I can tell you, it's terrible. buffalo, Villanova, kent St, etc)

The only time they played decent spread offenses from the MACC they got run out of the stadium.

Golden & D'onofrio learned and played under schemes that weren't designed to stop spread offenses of today. Why? Because no big ten schools in the fvckin 80s were running spread. **** they only now have a few teams. Last conference to the party)

We're stuck with some tards and that's that. We need a DC (and maybe HC) from a really good coaching tree. Not this Al Groh ****.

They were 16th in total defense.

The "it's the MAC" argument doesn't make sense to me because they played with MAC talent. Were they supposed to shut out Penn St or something?

The rest of your post is too ridiculous to even comment on right now because I'm typing on my phone while standing in line.

 

[Andrew]

Guys aren't running past us and we aren't getting pushed around. While we do need better talent we have only played 1 team this year with more talent than us.

 

[CaneTime01]

It's both, but for those who think it's all jimmys and joes, I give you the 2013 Auburn Tigers and the 2013 Kansas City Chiefs.

Are you talking about the same Kansas City Chiefs team that had 6 Pro Bowl players even though they only won 2 games? That number was more than the Atlanta Falcons last season.

Pretty sure you proved my point that it's both, but just in case. Yes, those Chiefs. The team with 6 pro bowl players that sucked a$$ year because Romeo Crenell is a horrible coach. Now, when you give those players a competent coach in Andy Reid, they're a good team.

And yes, they added Alex Smith at QB, but Cassell has been decent under Belicheck and Todd Haley but was atrocious under Crenell.

Comparing this to the NFL is so foolish it's beyond comprehension . The talent between teams is minute, and success is heavily dependent on QB performance. Denver was 8-8 with John Fox and Tebow. They are the best team in the AFC with Fox and Manning.

Matt Cassel was NEVER GOOD in KC btw.

For the millionth time it's not one thing or the other. It's a combo of bad system, bad players, bad offseason program, and bad coaching.

You may want to actually look something before you proclaim it as gospel. And I said Cassel was decent....not good. Check Cassel's career numbers below. You're telling me he wasn't good in 2010 under Haely in KC? 27 TD's and 7 picks isn't good? That's **** near a 4:1 ratio. His numbers are consistently better under Bellicheck and Haley than Crenell which was my original point. And I see you neglected to address the 2013 Auburn Tigers I gave in my original post.

Career Stats
Year Passing Rushing Fumb.
Year Team G Comp Att % Yds Y/G Y/A 300+ TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD 100+ Lost
2008 NE 16 327 516 63.4 3693 230.8 7.2 3 21 11 74 271 16.9 3.7 2 0 4
2009 KC 15 271 493 55.0 2924 194.9 5.9 1 16 16 51 189 12.6 3.7 0 0 3
2010 KC 15 262 450 58.2 3116 207.7 6.9 2 27 7 33 125 8.3 3.8 0 0 1
2011 KC 9 160 269 59.5 1713 190.3 6.4 0 10 9 25 99 11.0 4.0 0 0 2
2012 KC 9 161 277 58.1 1796 199.6 6.5 1 6 12 27 145 16.1 5.4 1 0 7

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Coaching is more than X's and O's. The Jimmies and the Joes can make up for some bad coaching but remember Howard said the ONTY thing keeping Miami from being great was coaching! He knew we always had talent, just suckie coaching. Coker lost once he only had 20 or so 1st round draft picks left on the team. JJ got outcoached twice when he had the better Jimmies and Joes by Johnny Majors and Joe Pa. Coaching matters.

What made Miami great was keeping the studs home and that started with Lester Williams. Lou Saban started that trend. Of course coaching matters a lot. You've got to have the players and the depth as well. Miami was supposed to compete for a national title in 1982. They lost a close one to Florida in the opener. Jim Kelly gets hurts against Virginia Tech. Miami goes through a series of backups and ends up 7-4 losing 3 close games. Kelly doesn't get hurt and they most likely finish 10-1. Losing 1 kid made the difference in 1982. Bernie comes in in 1983 and Miami is competing for a national title. The 6 turnovers are Florida is what did them in in the opener. They never lost again.

 

[The Franchise]

According to the "it's only the talent" crowd, Georgia Southern could also hang with South Carolina, since USC barely beat Florida at home last week. No, see, that's not how it works. Florida quit. Plain and simple. Florida was up for the USC game, and did not even bother showing up today. Miami doesn't have great talent, but enough talent to slow down horrible offenses in Duke, Virginia and VT. Miami has more talent than Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Miami doesn't have FSU or Bama talent, but coaching is why we're giving up 500 yards and not 300 yards to HORRIBLE middle school type offensively talented teams.

I don't know, man.

By this linear logic, that would mean that Golden and D'Onofrio are dumber than the coaches at Memphis, North Carolina Central, Troy, and Ball State. Maybe that's the case, but they wouldn't have gotten to this point in their careers if they were totally inept.

Now that doesn't guarantee that things will work out for Golden at Miami, but I think our problems on defense are being over-simplified. I think it's a confluence of circumstances:

1. Lack of talent and/or experience at critical positions (namely all over the front 7)
2. Poor implementation of the scheme thus far
3. Fatigue due to lack of depth
4. Inefficient offense, especially with Duke and Dorsett out

The only relevant experience (DC) D'Onofrio has is with Temple. Let's not act like he made a name for himself with decent programs before coming to Miami. It's very possible and highly likely D'Onofrio is dumber than the coaches at Memphis, Troy, and Ball State.

That's true. Dumb corches get hired and fired all the time at big time programs. We can't assume they're better than coaches at lesser programs just because they got hired. Look at Lame *****in as Exhibit A.

 

[The Franchise]

I concur, when a team is mentally not committed….you get those results.

And i am NOT a D'onfrio fan, but I am very present to the fact that this staff came into to the worst situation possible from an on roster talent standpoint, culture of current players(entitled ****es that don't work hard) and a recruiting possibility standpoint(NCAA…). Allegations of abortions, pay to play….(non of us want to relive it)…and the negative recruiting(death penalty..).

This staff has not been giving a real shot and they're recruiting their asses off to bring in their FIRST big time class, thanks to the "cloud" being behind us. And from the looks of it, this class is going to be the first of many special classes.

I am of the opinion that having big time talent gives coaches and coordinators the flexibility to implement and succeed with there intended philosophy…and this staff seems capable of bringing in the studs to do just that.

As I pleaded for Coker and Shannon to be gone...If the time comes that we don't succeed with legit talent…I'll pitch in for the banner "fire…"

Legit talent? You're right. Nobody wanted Tracy, Artie, Deon, Carter, Chickillo, Kirby, LRob, Porter, Perryman, Grimble, AQM, Gilbert, Corn Elder, McCord, Rodgers, Cornelius, etc.

….

funny you mention that. Whose fault is it that his recruits cant beat any of these guys out?

Golden knows that his guys are more talented than what Shannon left him. He plays the seniors mostly because of everything theyve been through at Miami, he references it all the time in interviews. How we have to "play for the seniors" and "honor the seniors". There is someone to this, imo. He wants the seniors to get as much exposure and playing time as possible. He feels he owes them for "standing with the U" through tough times. That's why you hardly see any seniors that DONT play, except maybe Kelvin Cain lol.

Once we get past these ****ty senior classes (this year (2010 recruiting class) and next year (2011 recruiting class)). We will have the 2012 recruiting class (Golden's first FULL class) as seniors. At that point we can judge how well Golden can build a team. I think we will be pretty **** good in 2015, especially if Golden can keep together the top 5 class he has now for 2014, and then duplicate it in 2015.

No offense, sir, and I say this with heaping helpings of respect, but what you just posted was retarded. If he's sacrificing games to honor seniors, then he's even a bigger dope than some think he is.

 

[ssj4cane]

As a Chiefs fan I can tell you 100 percent it is about X's and O's. Chiefs have gone from the Crennell bend but don't break 3-4 to Bob Sutton's attacking 3-4 that he learned from Rex Ryan. Here is an article discussing the philosophy change.


http://www.foxsportskansascity.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/story/Sutton-brings-new-philosophy-to-Chiefs-d?blockID=906697

 

[zone3cane]

Its more of a lack of talent than a coaching problem. If Golden can continue to bring in top 5 classes like FSU and Bama have the past 4 years.... coaching will hardly matter. Recruiting is everything in college football right now.

:ibisroflmao:



hold on so the reason why Nick Saban is an elite coach is b/c he has top 5 classes LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Did he win a title at Michigan State? Did he win with the dolphins? The guy is a good coach but it takes more than that to be elite.

Did Nick Saban win the BCS at LSU in 2003 w/ a bunch of top 5 talent every year?

hint in 2002, LSU finished w/ the #15th ranked recruiting class

In 2001 they had the #4 recruiting class, and 2003 the #2 or did you just want to leave those out

lol so LSU's freshman class was part of the reason he won the title in 2003? smh

My point was already made delusional clown.... and that's you all sound like a bunch of retarded ***s talking about "uh uh wait until we get top 5 classes every year, then we'll win" GTFOH

If the coach is garbage it doesnt matter and Golden is WOAT garbage

 

[zone3cane]

Larry Coker era

recruiting class ranks

2002 - 8th

2003 - 5th

2004 - 4th

2005 - 7th

.... Since it's all about talent when did Miami win a National Championship w/ Coker's recruits when he had all of this talent on his team?

I guess the talent wasnt good then either right b/c according to the Golden worshipers, coRching doesnt matter if you got elite recruiting classes every year right?