X's n O's or Jim's n Joe's...

[QuadCityCane]

How bout this for an example. Before the FSU game we average 220 yards rushing a game. After the Duke injury in the FSU game we are averaging 101 ypg. Coach em up Coley!

We are also rushing the ball 13 less times per game. Running backs grow on trees in South Florida. An injury to one player at a position as disposable as running back should not yield such a drastic change. Miami was 7-0, running the ball 39 times a game. They went 1-3 in the last four games running the ball 26 times per game. And then you wonder why we struggled with anyone on our schedule with a pulse. You're not even giving yourself a chance with that ratio.

Yeah Duke Johnson's grow on trees. I have now heard everything.

 

[TreOFive]

We won but also just gave up another 5bills of offense to an absolutely horrible team....that 2500yds in the past 4/5 weeks. Yeah we won but will NEVER be elite with this approach. If you cannot see that the defensive scheme is a problem then you need to A) stop drinking, B) stop smoking, or C) get yours eyes checked

Oh also forgot...fire

 

[jmbflame21]

Its more of a lack of talent than a coaching problem. If Golden can continue to bring in top 5 classes like FSU and Bama have the past 4 years.... coaching will hardly matter. Recruiting is everything in college football right now.

 

[zone3cane]

Al Golden and Dorito are WOAT

 

[AZHurricane]

Coaching is more than X's and O's. The Jimmies and the Joes can make up for some bad coaching but remember Howard said the ONTY thing keeping Miami from being great was coaching! He knew we always had talent, just suckie coaching. Coker lost once he only had 20 or so 1st round draft picks left on the team. JJ got outcoached twice when he had the better Jimmies and Joes by Johnny Majors and Joe Pa. Coaching matters.

Clearly you don't recall the game or didn't see the Tennessee and Penn State game. Tennessee our defense sucked that year, everybody moved the ball and scored that year, and Penn State game still haunts me not because we were our coaches but because he kept giving the ball to Vincenzo who threw 5 fricking interceptions!! Frick that game haunts me! We had over 500 yards of offense and they didn't wen hit 200. We were running led and right but there went Vinny throwing another pick. Coaching had nothing to do with those games

How great was Belichick in Cleveland? How great was the defensive guru George Seifert at Carolina? The list goes on and on.

Obviously there is a reason for coaches, but after hearing from so many players, after seeing historical data, the one thing fans overrate the most is "coaching" and the label of "genius"

Actually, Tennessee had 4 picks on that night in 1986.

The story is that JoePed asked Majors for the game film and he wouldn't give it to him. So JoePed called a friend of a friend of a friend and was able to get a copy. Result: 5 picks and game.

I don't totally disagree with you, but that was not a good example.

 

[BoxingRobes]

How bout this for an example. Before the FSU game we average 220 yards rushing a game. After the Duke injury in the FSU game we are averaging 101 ypg. Coach em up Coley!

We are also rushing the ball 13 less times per game. Running backs grow on trees in South Florida. An injury to one player at a position as disposable as running back should not yield such a drastic change. Miami was 7-0, running the ball 39 times a game. They went 1-3 in the last four games running the ball 26 times per game. And then you wonder why we struggled with anyone on our schedule with a pulse. You're not even giving yourself a chance with that ratio.

Yeah Duke Johnson's grow on trees. I have now heard everything.

Before Duke Johnson, we had Lamar Miller. Meanwhile, around the country, James White is running for 1000 yards in Wisconsin, Alex Collins is the best freshman back in the country, Davonta Freeman is a beast at FSU, Tre Mason leads one of the nation's best rushing attacks at Auburn, Jerron Seymour is starting at Vandy. And you have others that have already contributed over the course of the past four years and youngsters that are already contributing and will do so (Lorenzo Woodley, Fred Coppet, and Matt Dayes).

South Florida alone has three five star backs this year alone, nevermind having guys like Brandon Powell and Madre London. In the next few years, South Florida alone will produce more contributing running backs then any region in the country. Miami could take a **** into Lake Osceola and hit a running back that could contribute. There is no excuse to not run the football here, even if a running back as good as Duke goes down.

 

[cf3000]

Its more of a lack of talent than a coaching problem. If Golden can continue to bring in top 5 classes like FSU and Bama have the past 4 years.... coaching will hardly matter. Recruiting is everything in college football right now.

Talent is more important. It's why coaches recruit year round, it's why players get offered money to sign. If schemes and coaching were most important, Boise St would win more MNCs. Saban wouldn't be trying so hard to get the best players. I'm not discounting coaching, guys like Meyer and Saban are worth the money. But they still need the talent to win.

 

[Fzac75]

Its more of a lack of talent than a coaching problem. If Golden can continue to bring in top 5 classes like FSU and Bama have the past 4 years.... coaching will hardly matter. Recruiting is everything in college football right now.

Talent is everything in all sports. Better talent in key positions wins and is everything in all sports.

Preface this by saying, I could care less about firing or if we keep him. But it's funny how the firing lynch mob who were quiet but out in full force now don't factor in that of the 478 yards over 130 of those came at the end of the 4th with the game in hand and us playing prevent. That up until that point of the game they had given up less than 100 in the second half.

Yes I know it's a crappy Virginia team, yes I know the would'ves people like to talk about what might have happened with catches and mistakes even though it doesn't matter cus it didn't happen.

The question here is in what world does anyone expect a defense that was 119th one year expect to be very good the following year with pretty much the same players? In what world does anybody expect the 199th ranked defense be good the following year when your offense or special teams is not helping out this good defense you expected?

 

[zone3cane]

Its more of a lack of talent than a coaching problem. If Golden can continue to bring in top 5 classes like FSU and Bama have the past 4 years.... coaching will hardly matter. Recruiting is everything in college football right now.

:ibisroflmao:

hold on so the reason why Nick Saban is an elite coach is b/c he has top 5 classes LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[QuadCityCane]

How bout this for an example. Before the FSU game we average 220 yards rushing a game. After the Duke injury in the FSU game we are averaging 101 ypg. Coach em up Coley!

We are also rushing the ball 13 less times per game. Running backs grow on trees in South Florida. An injury to one player at a position as disposable as running back should not yield such a drastic change. Miami was 7-0, running the ball 39 times a game. They went 1-3 in the last four games running the ball 26 times per game. And then you wonder why we struggled with anyone on our schedule with a pulse. You're not even giving yourself a chance with that ratio.

Yeah Duke Johnson's grow on trees. I have now heard everything.

Before Duke Johnson, we had Lamar Miller. Meanwhile, around the country, James White is running for 1000 yards in Wisconsin, Alex Collins is the best freshman back in the country, Davonta Freeman is a beast at FSU, Tre Mason leads one of the nation's best rushing attacks at Auburn, Jerron Seymour is starting at Vandy. And you have others that have already contributed over the course of the past four years and youngsters that are already contributing and will do so (Lorenzo Woodley, Fred Coppet, and Matt Dayes).

South Florida alone has three five star backs this year alone, nevermind having guys like Brandon Powell and Madre London. In the next few years, South Florida alone will produce more contributing running backs then any region in the country. Miami could take a **** into Lake Osceola and hit a running back that could contribute. There is no excuse to not run the football here, even if a running back as good as Duke goes down.

Are any of those players on Miami? So how are they going to help us run the ball. We have Yearby and Powell already in the class and looking to add another. None of this helps right now.

 

[QuadCityCane]

Its more of a lack of talent than a coaching problem. If Golden can continue to bring in top 5 classes like FSU and Bama have the past 4 years.... coaching will hardly matter. Recruiting is everything in college football right now.

:ibisroflmao:

hold on so the reason why Nick Saban is an elite coach is b/c he has top 5 classes LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Did he win a title at Michigan State? Did he win with the dolphins? The guy is a good coach but it takes more than that to be elite.

 

[zone3cane]

This talent stuff is hilarious.... what about Golden being a GOAT developer of talent?

He chose the recruits thats on this team, its on him to turn them into Muhammed Wilkerson, right? Remember he's not a "cadillac shopper" lets not allow him to make excuses guys it's pathetic.

It doesnt matter what ur talent level is if the coach is WOAT.

Miami had more talent then Duke... got blown out. Miami had more talent then VT, got blown out.

Miami had more talent then UNC and WF almost lost.

Give it a rest.... a Great Coach is the most important, and Golden isnt even an average one.

A great coach will be able to recruit at an elite level regardless..... this team will always underachieve w/ Al Golden as the HC just like Temple underachieved when they had the most talent in the MAC when he was their HC.

 

[BoxingRobes]

How bout this for an example. Before the FSU game we average 220 yards rushing a game. After the Duke injury in the FSU game we are averaging 101 ypg. Coach em up Coley!

We are also rushing the ball 13 less times per game. Running backs grow on trees in South Florida. An injury to one player at a position as disposable as running back should not yield such a drastic change. Miami was 7-0, running the ball 39 times a game. They went 1-3 in the last four games running the ball 26 times per game. And then you wonder why we struggled with anyone on our schedule with a pulse. You're not even giving yourself a chance with that ratio.

Yeah Duke Johnson's grow on trees. I have now heard everything.

Before Duke Johnson, we had Lamar Miller. Meanwhile, around the country, James White is running for 1000 yards in Wisconsin, Alex Collins is the best freshman back in the country, Davonta Freeman is a beast at FSU, Tre Mason leads one of the nation's best rushing attacks at Auburn, Jerron Seymour is starting at Vandy. And you have others that have already contributed over the course of the past four years and youngsters that are already contributing and will do so (Lorenzo Woodley, Fred Coppet, and Matt Dayes).

South Florida alone has three five star backs this year alone, nevermind having guys like Brandon Powell and Madre London. In the next few years, South Florida alone will produce more contributing running backs then any region in the country. Miami could take a **** into Lake Osceola and hit a running back that could contribute. There is no excuse to not run the football here, even if a running back as good as Duke goes down.

Are any of those players on Miami? So how are they going to help us run the ball. We have Yearby and Powell already in the class and looking to add another. None of this helps right now.

If they aren't on our roster, they should have been...and that is the point. Miami shouldn't ever get into this position in the first place. I'm curious what Eduardo Clements would be doing at another school as a senior...surely doing more than the nothing he is doing at the moment. Miami also has DeAndre Johnson, a walk-on who was going to be a starter at Iowa. Even if the loss of Duke gives you a surplus of 13 carries (he doesn't, its 13 carries that need to be replaced) that need to be spread around, spread them around. Running the ball 20-something times per game should not happen at the University of Miami.

 

[FullyERicht]

It's both, but for those who think it's all jimmys and joes, I give you the 2013 Auburn Tigers and the 2013 Kansas City Chiefs.

Are you talking about the same Kansas City Chiefs team that had 6 Pro Bowl players even though they only won 2 games? That number was more than the Atlanta Falcons last season.

Pretty sure you proved my point that it's both, but just in case. Yes, those Chiefs. The team with 6 pro bowl players that sucked a$$ year because Romeo Crenell is a horrible coach. Now, when you give those players a competent coach in Andy Reid, they're a good team.

And yes, they added Alex Smith at QB, but Cassell has been decent under Belicheck and Todd Haley but was atrocious under Crenell.

Comparing this to the NFL is so foolish it's beyond comprehension . The talent between teams is minute, and is heavily dependent on QB. Matt Cassel was NEVER GOOD in KC btw.

 

[FullyERicht]

It's both, but for those who think it's all jimmys and joes, I give you the 2013 Auburn Tigers and the 2013 Kansas City Chiefs.

Are you talking about the same Kansas City Chiefs team that had 6 Pro Bowl players even though they only won 2 games? That number was more than the Atlanta Falcons last season.

Pretty sure you proved my point that it's both, but just in case. Yes, those Chiefs. The team with 6 pro bowl players that sucked a$$ year because Romeo Crenell is a horrible coach. Now, when you give those players a competent coach in Andy Reid, they're a good team.

And yes, they added Alex Smith at QB, but Cassell has been decent under Belicheck and Todd Haley but was atrocious under Crenell.

Comparing this to the NFL is so foolish it's beyond comprehension . The talent between teams is minute, and success is heavily dependent on QB performance. Denver was 8-8 with John Fox and Tebow. They are the best team in the AFC with Fox and Manning.

Matt Cassel was NEVER GOOD in KC btw.

For the millionth time it's not one thing or the other. It's a combo of bad system, bad players, bad offseason program, and bad coaching.

 

[QuadCityCane]

This talent stuff is hilarious.... what about Golden being a GOAT developer of talent?

He chose the recruits thats on this team, its on him to turn them into Muhammed Wilkerson, right? Remember he's not a "cadillac shopper" lets not allow him to make excuses guys it's pathetic.

It doesnt matter what ur talent level is if the coach is WOAT.

Miami had more talent then Duke... got blown out. Miami had more talent then VT, got blown out.

Miami had more talent then UNC and WF almost lost.

Give it a rest.... a Great Coach is the most important, and Golden isnt even an average one.

A great coach will be able to recruit at an elite level regardless..... this team will always underachieve w/ Al Golden as the HC just like Temple underachieved when they had the most talent in the MAC when he was their HC.

You are a Nole fan. Its no wonder you love Morris and hate Golden. Morris is like our Chris Rix.

 

[zone3cane]

Its more of a lack of talent than a coaching problem. If Golden can continue to bring in top 5 classes like FSU and Bama have the past 4 years.... coaching will hardly matter. Recruiting is everything in college football right now.

:ibisroflmao:

hold on so the reason why Nick Saban is an elite coach is b/c he has top 5 classes LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Did he win a title at Michigan State? Did he win with the dolphins? The guy is a good coach but it takes more than that to be elite.

Did Nick Saban win the BCS at LSU in 2003 w/ a bunch of top 5 talent every year?

hint in 2002, LSU finished w/ the #15th ranked recruiting class

 

[zone3cane]

This talent stuff is hilarious.... what about Golden being a GOAT developer of talent?

He chose the recruits thats on this team, its on him to turn them into Muhammed Wilkerson, right? Remember he's not a "cadillac shopper" lets not allow him to make excuses guys it's pathetic.

It doesnt matter what ur talent level is if the coach is WOAT.

Miami had more talent then Duke... got blown out. Miami had more talent then VT, got blown out.

Miami had more talent then UNC and WF almost lost.

Give it a rest.... a Great Coach is the most important, and Golden isnt even an average one.

A great coach will be able to recruit at an elite level regardless..... this team will always underachieve w/ Al Golden as the HC just like Temple underachieved when they had the most talent in the MAC when he was their HC.

You are a Nole fan. Its no wonder you love Morris and hate Golden. Morris is like our Chris Rix.

lol WTF.... wow this guy sounds like Golden is his GOD LMAOOOO. Dont kill yoself when Golden gets fired mane.

Imma nole fan but ur the one talking about Chris Rix ?????

Morris's career is over buddy, let it go, u were cheering for him when Jacory Harris was the QB.... Golden is not a Cane, he's just a coach from Temple taking up a temporary spot.

Randy Shannon is more of a Cane then Golden will ever be.... U MAD?

 

[AtrainCane]

How bout this for an example. Before the FSU game we average 220 yards rushing a game. After the Duke injury in the FSU game we are averaging 101 ypg. Coach em up Coley!

We are also rushing the ball 13 less times per game. Running backs grow on trees in South Florida. An injury to one player at a position as disposable as running back should not yield such a drastic change. Miami was 7-0, running the ball 39 times a game. They went 1-3 in the last four games running the ball 26 times per game. And then you wonder why we struggled with anyone on our schedule with a pulse. You're not even giving yourself a chance with that ratio.

Yeah Duke Johnson's grow on trees. I have now heard everything.

Before Duke Johnson, we had Lamar Miller. Meanwhile, around the country, James White is running for 1000 yards in Wisconsin, Alex Collins is the best freshman back in the country, Davonta Freeman is a beast at FSU, Tre Mason leads one of the nation's best rushing attacks at Auburn, Jerron Seymour is starting at Vandy. And you have others that have already contributed over the course of the past four years and youngsters that are already contributing and will do so (Lorenzo Woodley, Fred Coppet, and Matt Dayes).

South Florida alone has three five star backs this year alone, nevermind having guys like Brandon Powell and Madre London. In the next few years, South Florida alone will produce more contributing running backs then any region in the country. Miami could take a **** into Lake Osceola and hit a running back that could contribute. There is no excuse to not run the football here, even if a running back as good as Duke goes down.

u are correct, Sir.

 

[QuadCityCane]

Its more of a lack of talent than a coaching problem. If Golden can continue to bring in top 5 classes like FSU and Bama have the past 4 years.... coaching will hardly matter. Recruiting is everything in college football right now.

:ibisroflmao:



hold on so the reason why Nick Saban is an elite coach is b/c he has top 5 classes LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Did he win a title at Michigan State? Did he win with the dolphins? The guy is a good coach but it takes more than that to be elite.

Did Nick Saban win the BCS at LSU in 2003 w/ a bunch of top 5 talent every year?

hint in 2002, LSU finished w/ the #15th ranked recruiting class

In 2001 they had the #4 recruiting class, and 2003 the #2 or did you just want to leave those out