X's n O's or Jim's n Joe's...

Defense won the game today. 2 TDs and set up 2 more. As many yards they gave up they carried the day. Of course now i will hear about how bad UVA is. We didnt lose to Ga Southern.

UF has top recruiting classes every year and no NCAA hanging over their head and they got stomped by a highschool team.

Ya'll need to chill out. Most of you said 9-3 or 10-2 was realistic.

Definitely not a Dorito fan but i wouldnt want to have to try and make chicken salad with Gaines, Highsmith, Rogers, Cornelius,Armbrister,Robinson,Pierre etc etc.
 
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Defense won the game today. 2 TDs and set up 2 more. As many yards they gave up they carried the day. Of course now i will hear about how bad UVA is. We didnt lose to Ga Southern.

UF has top recruiting classes every year and no NCAA hanging over their head and they got stomped by a highschool team.

Ya'll need to chill out. Most of you said 9-3 or 10-2 was realistic.

Definitely not a Dorito fan but i wouldnt want to have to try and make chicken salad with Gaines, Highsmith, Rogers, Cornelius,Armbrister,Robinson,Pierre etc etc.

Wow a rational poster!
 
It's both, but for those who think it's all jimmys and joes, I give you the 2013 Auburn Tigers and the 2013 Kansas City Chiefs.

Are you talking about the same Kansas City Chiefs team that had 6 Pro Bowl players even though they only won 2 games? That number was more than the Atlanta Falcons last season.
Pretty sure you proved my point that it's both, but just in case. Yes, those Chiefs. The team with 6 pro bowl players that sucked a$$ year because Romeo Crenell is a horrible coach. Now, when you give those players a competent coach in Andy Reid, they're a good team.

And yes, they added Alex Smith at QB, but Cassell has been decent under Belicheck and Todd Haley but was atrocious under Crenell.
 
it's both but coaching matters a lot. Last year FL tried to 2 gap with all that talent on the d line but they looked like sht. What did Muskrat do, scrap the 2 gap and go to a 1 gap almost full time.... that's good coaching. S Floyd an NFL 1st round draft pick couldn't 2 gap.....Killastorm told us a few days ago about his inability to do so. that guy has 10 times more talent than any DT we have......
 
Defense won the game today. 2 TDs and set up 2 more. As many yards they gave up they carried the day. Of course now i will hear about how bad UVA is. We didnt lose to Ga Southern.

UF has top recruiting classes every year and no NCAA hanging over their head and they got stomped by a highschool team.

Ya'll need to chill out. Most of you said 9-3 or 10-2 was realistic.

Definitely not a Dorito fan but i wouldnt want to have to try and make chicken salad with Gaines, Highsmith, Rogers, Cornelius,Armbrister,Robinson,Pierre etc etc.

Everyone said 9-3 or 10-2 was realistic BEFORE we all knew that DUUKE ******* DUKE was going to be the best team in the coastal.

And by the way, Kacy Rodgers had offers from ND, NU, UF, UGA, OSU. Cornelius had good offers and Robinson was a 4 star. Not exactly **** players, just coaches that cant put them in a position to succeed. Gaines? Highsmith? What does it say when the guys the current coaching staff has recruited can't supplant the holdovers from the previous staff. 12 of the 22 starters are Shannon players and 8 of them are on offense. The only decent unit we have. You still want to push the talent argument?
 
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Take into account that football games and football teams are not played or composed in a sterile science lab. Start with that, and you'll be much better off and look a lot smarter.

Do you think it's possible uf.ag quit on the season and that, at this point, it has very little to do with talent? That's a completely demoralized team. When teams get the ball run down their throats by inferior teams it's a really great sign that they quit. Remember Puke running it down our throats last week? Same thing.

Is anyone actually trying to advance the c0ckamamie argument that GA Southern has more talent or even close to the same talent as uf.ag? Does anyone think they're even in the same hemisphere talent wise? Is that what this board has degenerated to?

To answer the OP, it is both.

Franchise's post is strong. There isn't a single player on Georgia Southern that could even walk on at UF. Put any of the linemen in an Oklahoma Drill and there isn't a single Georgia Southern player that would win a single battle. But, there are other factors at hand. When you have a team that has quit or doesn't give a **** (look at Oregon today versus Arizona), **** like today happens, especially when you combine it with other factors, like, in our case, having a defensive scheme that doesn't suit the players we have or have at our disposal to recruit (square peg, round hole in most cases).

It is rarely one thing when you have complete breakdowns like UF is having, or we have had on defense for two seasons now.

Smart football guys see the importance of the emotional prong of the game of football. I knew Oregon was going to struggle the rest of the way when a couple of their players came out this week and said they don't give a **** about playing in the Rose Bowl this year.

It should be obvious to anyone that uf.ag is a dead team. They completely packed it in. It's the only explanation for them getting bum rushed for 450 on the ground by a high school team.
 
Its the offense that Georgia Southern runs. It gives teams that aren't used to playing them trouble. Bama gave up 350 plus to them a year or two ago. Saban < Coach D & Golden right punchcane?
 
It's both, and we're having some issues with both right now.

Yup. It's pretty simple actually.

Put your good players in a position to make plays.

Our defensive #s do not match that of our last 4 or 5 recruiting classes (even if you make room for star system errors, etc).

We good enough players to look better on defense.
 
Its the offense that Georgia Southern runs. It gives teams that aren't used to playing them trouble. Bama gave up 350 plus to them a year or two ago. Saban < Coach D & Golden right punchcane?

and Georgia Southern lost to Furman, Wofford and Appalachian St this year… STFU
 
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The Georgia southern vs UF game actually gives more credence to the X's & O's argument than the Jimmy's and joes.

UF clearly don't know how to stop the wishbone attack (probably overlooked them)

You think Georgia southern lines up in more traditional sets and beats UF straight up?

X's and O's won that game. Not Jimmy's and joes.
 
Coaching is more than X's and O's. The Jimmies and the Joes can make up for some bad coaching but remember Howard said the ONTY thing keeping Miami from being great was coaching! He knew we always had talent, just suckie coaching. Coker lost once he only had 20 or so 1st round draft picks left on the team. JJ got outcoached twice when he had the better Jimmies and Joes by Johnny Majors and Joe Pa. Coaching matters.

Clearly you don't recall the game or didn't see the Tennessee and Penn State game. Tennessee our defense sucked that year, everybody moved the ball and scored that year, and Penn State game still haunts me not because we were our coaches but because he kept giving the ball to Vincenzo who threw 5 fricking interceptions!! Frick that game haunts me! We had over 500 yards of offense and they didn't wen hit 200. We were running led and right but there went Vinny throwing another pick. Coaching had nothing to do with those games

How great was Belichick in Cleveland? How great was the defensive guru George Seifert at Carolina? The list goes on and on.

Obviously there is a reason for coaches, but after hearing from so many players, after seeing historical data, the one thing fans overrate the most is "coaching" and the label of "genius"
 
Take into account that football games and football teams are not played or composed in a sterile science lab. Start with that, and you'll be much better off and look a lot smarter.

Do you think it's possible uf.ag quit on the season and that, at this point, it has very little to do with talent? That's a completely demoralized team. When teams get the ball run down their throats by inferior teams it's a really great sign that they quit. Remember Puke running it down our throats last week? Same thing.

Is anyone actually trying to advance the c0ckamamie argument that GA Southern has more talent or even close to the same talent as uf.ag? Does anyone think they're even in the same hemisphere talent wise? Is that what this board has degenerated to?

To answer the OP, it is both.

Franchise's post is strong. There isn't a single player on Georgia Southern that could even walk on at UF. Put any of the linemen in an Oklahoma Drill and there isn't a single Georgia Southern player that would win a single battle. But, there are other factors at hand. When you have a team that has quit or doesn't give a **** (look at Oregon today versus Arizona), **** like today happens, especially when you combine it with other factors, like, in our case, having a defensive scheme that doesn't suit the players we have or have at our disposal to recruit (square peg, round hole in most cases).

It is rarely one thing when you have complete breakdowns like UF is having, or we have had on defense for two seasons now.

Smart football guys see the importance of the emotional prong of the game of football. I knew Oregon was going to struggle the rest of the way when a couple of their players came out this week and said they don't give a **** about playing in the Rose Bowl this year.

It should be obvious to anyone that uf.ag is a dead team. They completely packed it in. It's the only explanation for them getting bum rushed for 450 on the ground by a high school team.

I concur, when a team is mentally not committed….you get those results.

And i am NOT a D'onfrio fan, but I am very present to the fact that this staff came into to the worst situation possible from an on roster talent standpoint, culture of current players(entitled ******* that don't work hard) and a recruiting possibility standpoint(NCAA…). Allegations of abortions, pay to play….(non of us want to relive it)…and the negative recruiting(death penalty..).

This staff has not been giving a real shot and they're recruiting their asses off to bring in their FIRST big time class, thanks to the "cloud" being behind us. And from the looks of it, this class is going to be the first of many special classes.

I am of the opinion that having big time talent gives coaches and coordinators the flexibility to implement and succeed with there intended philosophy…and this staff seems capable of bringing in the studs to do just that.

As I pleaded for Coker and Shannon to be gone...If the time comes that we don't succeed with legit talent…I'll pitch in for the banner "fire…"
 
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Take into account that football games and football teams are not played or composed in a sterile science lab. Start with that, and you'll be much better off and look a lot smarter.

Do you think it's possible uf.ag quit on the season and that, at this point, it has very little to do with talent? That's a completely demoralized team. When teams get the ball run down their throats by inferior teams it's a really great sign that they quit. Remember Puke running it down our throats last week? Same thing.

Is anyone actually trying to advance the c0ckamamie argument that GA Southern has more talent or even close to the same talent as uf.ag? Does anyone think they're even in the same hemisphere talent wise? Is that what this board has degenerated to?

To answer the OP, it is both.

Franchise's post is strong. There isn't a single player on Georgia Southern that could even walk on at UF. Put any of the linemen in an Oklahoma Drill and there isn't a single Georgia Southern player that would win a single battle. But, there are other factors at hand. When you have a team that has quit or doesn't give a **** (look at Oregon today versus Arizona), **** like today happens, especially when you combine it with other factors, like, in our case, having a defensive scheme that doesn't suit the players we have or have at our disposal to recruit (square peg, round hole in most cases).

It is rarely one thing when you have complete breakdowns like UF is having, or we have had on defense for two seasons now.

Smart football guys see the importance of the emotional prong of the game of football. I knew Oregon was going to struggle the rest of the way when a couple of their players came out this week and said they don't give a **** about playing in the Rose Bowl this year.

It should be obvious to anyone that uf.ag is a dead team. They completely packed it in. It's the only explanation for them getting bum rushed for 450 on the ground by a high school team.

I concur, when a team is mentally not committed….you get those results.

And i am NOT a D'onfrio fan, but I am very present to the fact that this staff came into to the worst situation possible from an on roster talent standpoint, culture of current players(entitled ****es that don't work hard) and a recruiting possibility standpoint(NCAA…). Allegations of abortions, pay to play….(non of us want to relive it)…and the negative recruiting(death penalty..).

This staff has not been giving a real shot and they're recruiting their asses off to bring in their FIRST big time class, thanks to the "cloud" being behind us. And from the looks of it, this class is going to be the first of many special classes.

I am of the opinion that having big time talent gives coaches and coordinators the flexibility to implement and succeed with there intended philosophy…and this staff seems capable of bringing in the studs to do just that.

As I pleaded for Coker and Shannon to be gone...If the time comes that we don't succeed with legit talent…I'll pitch in for the banner "fire…"

Legit talent? You're right. Nobody wanted Tracy, Artie, Deon, Carter, Chickillo, Kirby, LRob, Porter, Perryman, Grimble, AQM, Gilbert, Corn Elder, McCord, Rodgers, Cornelius, etc.
 
What a great argument. So a defense that has been stout ALL year gives up 500 yards to a **** team, ONCE, and you are analogizing that to our situation of MULTIPLE games (i.e. what is called a "trend") of giving up 500 yards?

This board really has no hope. OP clearly doesn't know how to distinguish between an outlier and a trend.
 
Take into account that football games and football teams are not played or composed in a sterile science lab. Start with that, and you'll be much better off and look a lot smarter.

Do you think it's possible uf.ag quit on the season and that, at this point, it has very little to do with talent? That's a completely demoralized team. When teams get the ball run down their throats by inferior teams it's a really great sign that they quit. Remember Puke running it down our throats last week? Same thing.

Is anyone actually trying to advance the c0ckamamie argument that GA Southern has more talent or even close to the same talent as uf.ag? Does anyone think they're even in the same hemisphere talent wise? Is that what this board has degenerated to?

To answer the OP, it is both.

Franchise's post is strong. There isn't a single player on Georgia Southern that could even walk on at UF. Put any of the linemen in an Oklahoma Drill and there isn't a single Georgia Southern player that would win a single battle. But, there are other factors at hand. When you have a team that has quit or doesn't give a **** (look at Oregon today versus Arizona), **** like today happens, especially when you combine it with other factors, like, in our case, having a defensive scheme that doesn't suit the players we have or have at our disposal to recruit (square peg, round hole in most cases).

It is rarely one thing when you have complete breakdowns like UF is having, or we have had on defense for two seasons now.

Smart football guys see the importance of the emotional prong of the game of football. I knew Oregon was going to struggle the rest of the way when a couple of their players came out this week and said they don't give a **** about playing in the Rose Bowl this year.

It should be obvious to anyone that uf.ag is a dead team. They completely packed it in. It's the only explanation for them getting bum rushed for 450 on the ground by a high school team.

I concur, when a team is mentally not committed….you get those results.

And i am NOT a D'onfrio fan, but I am very present to the fact that this staff came into to the worst situation possible from an on roster talent standpoint, culture of current players(entitled ****es that don't work hard) and a recruiting possibility standpoint(NCAA…). Allegations of abortions, pay to play….(non of us want to relive it)…and the negative recruiting(death penalty..).

This staff has not been giving a real shot and they're recruiting their asses off to bring in their FIRST big time class, thanks to the "cloud" being behind us. And from the looks of it, this class is going to be the first of many special classes.

I am of the opinion that having big time talent gives coaches and coordinators the flexibility to implement and succeed with there intended philosophy…and this staff seems capable of bringing in the studs to do just that.

As I pleaded for Coker and Shannon to be gone...If the time comes that we don't succeed with legit talent…I'll pitch in for the banner "fire…"

Legit talent? You're right. Nobody wanted Tracy, Artie, Deon, Carter, Chickillo, Kirby, LRob, Porter, Perryman, Grimble, AQM, Gilbert, Corn Elder, McCord, Rodgers, Cornelius, etc.


Not arguing with you but I never understood why when Coker brought in all of these kids that everyone wanted he was ridiculed for just recruiting from the recruiting services when they sucked but now we blame the coaches when said recruits come and act like the players should be good because the recruiting services say so.mseems contradictory to me.
 
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What a great argument. So a defense that has been stout ALL year gives up 500 yards to a **** team, ONCE, and you are analogizing that to our situation of MULTIPLE games (i.e. what is called a "trend") of giving up 500 yards?

This board really has no hope. OP clearly doesn't know how to distinguish between an outlier and a trend.


"ONCE" UF gave up 500yds to Missouri
 
Take into account that football games and football teams are not played or composed in a sterile science lab. Start with that, and you'll be much better off and look a lot smarter.

Do you think it's possible uf.ag quit on the season and that, at this point, it has very little to do with talent? That's a completely demoralized team. When teams get the ball run down their throats by inferior teams it's a really great sign that they quit. Remember Puke running it down our throats last week? Same thing.

Is anyone actually trying to advance the c0ckamamie argument that GA Southern has more talent or even close to the same talent as uf.ag? Does anyone think they're even in the same hemisphere talent wise? Is that what this board has degenerated to?

To answer the OP, it is both.

Franchise's post is strong. There isn't a single player on Georgia Southern that could even walk on at UF. Put any of the linemen in an Oklahoma Drill and there isn't a single Georgia Southern player that would win a single battle. But, there are other factors at hand. When you have a team that has quit or doesn't give a **** (look at Oregon today versus Arizona), **** like today happens, especially when you combine it with other factors, like, in our case, having a defensive scheme that doesn't suit the players we have or have at our disposal to recruit (square peg, round hole in most cases).

It is rarely one thing when you have complete breakdowns like UF is having, or we have had on defense for two seasons now.

Smart football guys see the importance of the emotional prong of the game of football. I knew Oregon was going to struggle the rest of the way when a couple of their players came out this week and said they don't give a **** about playing in the Rose Bowl this year.

It should be obvious to anyone that uf.ag is a dead team. They completely packed it in. It's the only explanation for them getting bum rushed for 450 on the ground by a high school team.

I concur, when a team is mentally not committed….you get those results.

And i am NOT a D'onfrio fan, but I am very present to the fact that this staff came into to the worst situation possible from an on roster talent standpoint, culture of current players(entitled ****es that don't work hard) and a recruiting possibility standpoint(NCAA…). Allegations of abortions, pay to play….(non of us want to relive it)…and the negative recruiting(death penalty..).

This staff has not been giving a real shot and they're recruiting their asses off to bring in their FIRST big time class, thanks to the "cloud" being behind us. And from the looks of it, this class is going to be the first of many special classes.

I am of the opinion that having big time talent gives coaches and coordinators the flexibility to implement and succeed with there intended philosophy…and this staff seems capable of bringing in the studs to do just that.

As I pleaded for Coker and Shannon to be gone...If the time comes that we don't succeed with legit talent…I'll pitch in for the banner "fire…"

Legit talent? You're right. Nobody wanted Tracy, Artie, Deon, Carter, Chickillo, Kirby, LRob, Porter, Perryman, Grimble, AQM, Gilbert, Corn Elder, McCord, Rodgers, Cornelius, etc.

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How bout this for an example. Before the FSU game we average 220 yards rushing a game. After the Duke injury in the FSU game we are averaging 101 ypg. Coach em up Coley!
 
How bout this for an example. Before the FSU game we average 220 yards rushing a game. After the Duke injury in the FSU game we are averaging 101 ypg. Coach em up Coley!

We are also rushing the ball 13 less times per game. Running backs grow on trees in South Florida. An injury to one player at a position as disposable as running back should not yield such a drastic change. Miami was 7-0, running the ball 39 times a game. They went 1-3 in the last four games running the ball 26 times per game. And then you wonder why we struggled with anyone on our schedule with a pulse. You're not even giving yourself a chance with that ratio.
 
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