Wisconsin accuses Miami of tampering

[AuoraCane]

What invite?

It's been 3 years... They're clearly not interested.

Ironically inviting would have been tampering.

 

[Bender]

Ironically inviting would have been tampering.

oh I can't wait for wisconsin to show the proof that they have

they're gonna claim miami tampered with the player because the player never actually went into the transfer portal. watch.

 

[mr.h]

So it’s the Wild Wild West and we are the bad guys

 

[Bender]

Michael McCann knows sports law backwards, drunk and high on ketamine.

 

[CANESCANES]

 

[bacane]

He’s not ranting, he’s educating. Lots of sports law experts do this stuff. Michael McCann is another one. Heitner is very professional and I’ve followed him for probably 10-12 years. Trust me, it’s more like journalists on Twitter than a crazy John Ruiz. This is what these guys do.

One other note - someone said we might lose Lucas, but I’m trying to think of how that could even happen. What’s UW going to do? Get an injunction against us to enforce their pay for play MOU that wasn’t legal yet? How would the NCAA rule him ineligible when they say there is no transfer portal? Any other attorneys have any thoughts?

McCann and Heitner are two of the most knowledgeable on college sports law.

Michael McCann knows sports law backwards, drunk and high on ketamine.

Knows his **** and a go-to source for sports media. We’re in good hands.

 

[CreativeCane]

I’m glad their scheme is finally getting exposed. Greedy *** B1G not satisfied enough with what they’re getting so they have to dip into the players pockets. **** will never change…

I’ve been saying it for a couple years now: this will all lead to a players union and collective bargaining. The more stuff like this that gets exposed, the more players are going to want representation so they don’t get screwed. Schools are going to want to negotiate control back given NCAA is toothless now and every court case has been pro player so far.

XL case just may be the catalyst to get the ball rolling.

 

[Crimpy]

 

[MovingZen]

If I'm a 5* recruit there's no ******* way I'm signing that agreement. What am I missing? Why would any player sign that and allow the school to completely control their future? That seems like a backwards step for players. Do some players get a larger share of the revenue?

 

[Lance Roffers]

Just published:

Inside a Big Ten Athlete Revenue Sharing Agreement

In revenue-share MOUs, schools are asking athletes to sign away NIL rights, waive employee status, and accept performance-based terms.

www.sportico.com

Am I crazy in thinking no football player should ever sign this?

What even is the upside from revenue sharing for these players? We are talking about selling bitcoin for a pizza levels of risk.

 

[CreativeCane]

Am I crazy in thinking no football player should ever sign this?

What even is the upside from revenue sharing for these players? We are talking about selling bitcoin for a pizza levels of risk.

Not crazy. It’s also fascinating to watch all these lawyers chime in with legal thoughts and I have yet to see one that says UW has a case. In fact most of them seem to be insinuating this could backfire on them.

 

[407cane]

Am I crazy in thinking no football player should ever sign this?

What even is the upside from revenue sharing for these players? We are talking about selling bitcoin for a pizza levels of risk.

lower playing time = less money lmao

can you IMAGINE the toxicity within locker rooms and for the B1G coaching staff's vs their players?

 

[Ispyin]

That’s because they don’t have a marquee program like Miami. UM sells out stadiums everywhere (except in Miami, ironically).

UM wouldn’t burn that bridge unless it had something else up its sleeve.

Coincidence that Bezos looking to buy a team and now lives in Miami? Miss Cleo sees all

Miami, FSU and Clemson could join and it wouldn't even cut the gap in half even as those schools add value.

 

[CaneinBroward]

I’ve been saying it for a couple years now: this will all lead to a players union and collective bargaining. The more stuff like this that gets exposed, the more players are going to want representation so they don’t get screwed. Schools are going to want to negotiate control back given NCAA is toothless now and every court case has been pro player so far.

XL case just may be the catalyst to get the ball rolling.

It's already happened. UAB already voted in favor of joining a players' association last spring. Northwestern players tried to do it almost 10 years ago. They failed at the time, but that was before NIL and all that jazz.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Am I crazy in thinking no football player should ever sign this?

What even is the upside from revenue sharing for these players? We are talking about selling bitcoin for a pizza levels of risk.

Lance, you are 100% correct. Of course, I said the same exact thing about the Grant of Rights deal that the ACC signed, and yet here we are.

The primary issue needs to be spotlighted. The Big 10 has drafted a template agreement to try to be "early adopters" on getting student-athletes signed up for "revenue sharing" once the House settlement goes through. I do not know if the Big 10 or Wisconsin created the "two-year grant of rights" clause, but any decent NIL attorney should be redlining that clause OUT of the deal.

There is a very specific reason (no matter how much anyone wants to argue that the Big 10 and Wisconsin are "just trying to protect themselves into the future"). One of the consistent rules that the NCAA has followed for the past few years is the right of players to transfer and be immediately eligible to play, so long as they have remaining eligibility to play. And some random "two year grant of NIL rights" cannot overcome a student-athlete's right to transfer, particularly when the student-athlete DID NOT give up the right to transfer in a separately-stated and separately-paid-for negotiation of rights.

 

[Speedrush]

But even if they did, what’s the difference between a UM professor contacting a Wisconsin marine biology student and a theoretical UM player contacting Xavier Lucas? Both the WI marine biology prodigy and Xavier Lucas are students. Neither are employees. What have colleges called players since the 1990s? Student athletes. Emphasis on student.

When NIL was instituted they became players first students second, haven't you noticed. Not complaining it only makes since.

 

[TriStarCane]

If I’m a guy like Jeremiah Smith and they put that **** in front of me I’m on the first flight home

 

[Speedrush]

Did you just blow in from stupid town, bud?

Noted, no consequences for violations, my bad .

 

[407cane]

I'm very interested to see what happens when revenue sharing is approved and is instituted - specifically those already in agreements. if those agreements are set and don't need to be renegotiated then fine, but I suspect transferring to a new school to get a large bag will be a lot less enticing so those that have stronger rosters at that point in time will be able to maintain them easier than the last few years

 

[Speedrush]

lol So what? even if they could prove tampering what’s the penalty a week recruiting ban slap on the wrist ? It’s absolutely funny that out of ALL the players that have transferred THIS is player that they chose to die on this hill for lol he’s a good young player no doubt but they’re treating him like a 99 overall un losable talent lol cause it’s Miami if he was transferring to Bama we wouldn’t have heard a peep

You are kind of making my argument for me.