Winky Flowers

[jerzeycane]

I'm not liking a 2 qb class of edoard and winky. Very uneasy about eduoard being our main qb recruit. We can do better.

Please elaborate on why u are uneasy about Edouard.

I'm not liking a 2 qb class of edoard and winky. Very uneasy about eduoard being our main qb recruit. We can do better.

I think in the context of a 2-year haul of Olsen and Winky/Edouard, it's okay.

Winky is not a D1a-Miami QB. Period. He is better suited at WR, imo. So, if you bring him in as one of your QBs in a 2 QB class, you are basically only bringing in one QB.

As for Eduoard, sure, he has some flashes. I'm not blown away by his physical tools. I would describe his arm as lively, can move, etc., but he doesn't pop out of the screen. I would suspect that for a kid with a "high ceiling", you would see much more out of his film. Granted, he hasn't been asked to do a whole lot so his SR year will be interesting to watch.

And let's be real here, outside of Olsen - who has not stepped foot on this campus, we don't have ONE polished underclassman QB. With Edouard, you're talking a guy who is at least a few years from seeing the field. I would be more comfortable with Edouard if we had another young polished gun on campus (it remains to be seen whether or not Crow/Dewey are that type). Call be debbie downer about our QBs, but I am skeptical.

No disrespect...but you said a whole lota nothin right here mane

 

[AUcane]

What's not clear? He is raw, has shown flashes, has some athletic ability but doesn't pop out of the screen to me for being a "high ceiling" kid. I think we all can admit we're all waiting to see what he does his SR year. Not sure what further breakdown you need, amigo. This was not intended to be a film dissecting kind of post.

 

[jerzeycane]

What's not clear? He is raw, has shown flashes, has some athletic ability but doesn't pop out of the screen to me for being a "high ceiling" kid. I think we all can admit we're all waiting to see what he does his SR year. Not sure what further breakdown you need, amigo. This was not intended to be a film dissecting kind of post.

You were attempting to illustrate why he was "raw". To do that, you need to do a bit of film dissection. You gotta give me something about his delivery. You gotta give me something in his release. The footwork. The progression reads.

Saying "he doesn't pop off the screen" does not = raw

 

[AUcane]

Ok, so I have to give film dissecting proof as to why he's raw? Cmon bro, I think we all know he is raw as ****. Not sure why there is back and forth on this.

 

[DMoney]

I'm not liking a 2 qb class of edoard and winky. Very uneasy about eduoard being our main qb recruit. We can do better.

Please elaborate on why u are uneasy about Edouard.

I'm not liking a 2 qb class of edoard and winky. Very uneasy about eduoard being our main qb recruit. We can do better.

I think in the context of a 2-year haul of Olsen and Winky/Edouard, it's okay.

Winky is not a D1a-Miami QB. Period. He is better suited at WR, imo. So, if you bring him in as one of your QBs in a 2 QB class, you are basically only bringing in one QB.

He is absolutely a D1 QB. Is he a Miami QB? That will take development from him and flexibility from the coaches. That's the problem- he's not a slam-dunk position switch, so I can understand why he'd want to go to a school like Purdue.

 

[AUcane]

I'm not liking a 2 qb class of edoard and winky. Very uneasy about eduoard being our main qb recruit. We can do better.

Please elaborate on why u are uneasy about Edouard.

I'm not liking a 2 qb class of edoard and winky. Very uneasy about eduoard being our main qb recruit. We can do better.

I think in the context of a 2-year haul of Olsen and Winky/Edouard, it's okay.

Winky is not a D1a-Miami QB. Period. He is better suited at WR, imo. So, if you bring him in as one of your QBs in a 2 QB class, you are basically only bringing in one QB.

He is absolutely a D1 QB. Is he a Miami QB? That will take development from him and flexibility from the coaches. That's the problem- he's not a slam-dunk position switch, so I can understand why he'd want to go to a school like Purdue.

Never said he wasn't a D1 kid. I said D1 Miami kid. Meaning, high d1a kid. He can definitely succeed at a mid major or a smaller BCS school like Purdue.

 

[jerzeycane]

Ok, so I have to give film dissecting proof as to why he's raw? Cmon bro, I think we all know he is raw as ****. Not sure why there is back and forth on this.

No, we all know that his progression reads obviously need some work, due to the offense that he plays in at the High School level.

He's not refined and 100% polished like Olsen, but I don't know that I would classify him as raw either. Winky is what raw looks like. Edouard is ahead of Winky and by a fairly decent margin if you ask me.

 

[jerzeycane]

Ok, so I have to give film dissecting proof as to why he's raw? Cmon bro, I think we all know he is raw as ****. Not sure why there is back and forth on this.

No, we all know that his progression reads obviously need some work, due to the offense that he plays in at the High School level.

He's not refined and 100% polished like Olsen, but I don't know that I would classify him as raw either. Winky is what raw looks like. Edouard is ahead of Winky and by a fairly decent margin if you ask me.

How could you possibly determine how well he goes through progressions??

Judging by his highlight video. He plays in the spread option. He's making one read and getting rid of it or tucking it. He isn't getting to his 2nd read, let alone the third.

 

[japancane]

I'm not liking a 2 qb class of edoard and winky. Very uneasy about eduoard being our main qb recruit. We can do better.

I think in the context of a 2-year haul of Olsen and Winky/Edouard, it's okay.

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Neither of these guys may ever have to start if Olsen is what he's cracked up to be

Does the Son of Man get 6 years of eligibility?

are we not going to recruit any QBs for the next 4 years?

 

[jerzeycane]

Ok, so I have to give film dissecting proof as to why he's raw? Cmon bro, I think we all know he is raw as ****. Not sure why there is back and forth on this.

No, we all know that his progression reads obviously need some work, due to the offense that he plays in at the High School level.

He's not refined and 100% polished like Olsen, but I don't know that I would classify him as raw either. Winky is what raw looks like. Edouard is ahead of Winky and by a fairly decent margin if you ask me.

How could you possibly determine how well he goes through progressions??

Judging by his highlight video. He plays in the spread option. He's making one read and getting rid of it or tucking it. He isn't getting to his 2nd read, let alone the third.

How many high schooler's do you think are going to their third read?

MAYBE 5 of the guys at the elite eleven lol. My point was that you never see Alin getting to the 2nd read or even making decisions where he's going to throw the ball. He's not really reading the coverages of certain route combinations. He knows where he's going before the snap and if it isn't there, he's tucking.

 

[valid]

Ok, so I have to give film dissecting proof as to why he's raw? Cmon bro, I think we all know he is raw as ****. Not sure why there is back and forth on this.

No, we all know that his progression reads obviously need some work, due to the offense that he plays in at the High School level.

He's not refined and 100% polished like Olsen, but I don't know that I would classify him as raw either. Winky is what raw looks like. Edouard is ahead of Winky and by a fairly decent margin if you ask me.

+1.

Still surprised that there's been so much talk about "Winky" on this board. I'm starting to think that the same people that want Flowers at QB are the same people that whined when Jeffrey Godfrey didn`t get offered. That`s what Flowers is....a more athletic Godfrey imo.

 

[deleted3746]

I'm not liking a 2 qb class of edoard and winky. Very uneasy about eduoard being our main qb recruit. We can do better.

Please elaborate on why u are uneasy about Edouard.

I'm not liking a 2 qb class of edoard and winky. Very uneasy about eduoard being our main qb recruit. We can do better.

I think in the context of a 2-year haul of Olsen and Winky/Edouard, it's okay.

Winky is not a D1a-Miami QB. Period. He is better suited at WR, imo. So, if you bring him in as one of your QBs in a 2 QB class, you are basically only bringing in one QB.

As for Eduoard, sure, he has some flashes. I'm not blown away by his physical tools. I would describe his arm as lively, can move, etc., but he doesn't pop out of the screen. I would suspect that for a kid with a "high ceiling", you would see much more out of his film. Granted, he hasn't been asked to do a whole lot so his SR year will be interesting to watch.

And let's be real here, outside of Olsen - who has not stepped foot on this campus, we don't have ONE polished underclassman QB. With Edouard, you're talking a guy who is at least a few years from seeing the field. I would be more comfortable with Edouard if we had another young polished gun on campus (it remains to be seen whether or not Crow/Dewey are that type). Call be debbie downer about our QBs, but I am skeptical.

Disagree about Winky. The same things were said about Denard Robinson and all he did was pass for over 6k yards with 40+ TDs and rush for over 4k yards and 40+ TDs. Flowers has that same ability with a bigger arm IMO.

As for Edouard, he doesnt have to play right away with Williams, Crow, Dewey, maybe Thompson, and Olsen all in front of him when he arrives. He can sit back and learn. The only concern I have isnt with Edouard, but with the OC and his ability to develop QBs.

 

[wushah]

Bring in 3, including Mahalak. You get a Cali QB with a mega-arm, you get a Bridgewater-esque guy with Edourd, and then you get a Boldin-esque guy in Flowers. Let em battle. Flowers will likely move, and the best man will be from the other two. The loser transfers. It's perfect.

 

[Canesbball]

Winky is a kid you recruit to be a Qb and then move to WR or defense.

 

[OMG618]

Mr Flowers is being underrated by many posters in this thread. First off IMO, admittedly not an expert, he's a top 5 skill player in the state; this cant be overlooked, he's a playmaker with great skill and a big time competitor to boot. 2nd, if we've seen anything in CFB the last couple of seasons is the QB position is about playmaking more than being able to throw a pro-style out route. Does Manziel fill the bill many are looking for as a UM QB? Texas' staff said some of the same things that being uttered here: safety.

I think we need to offer this kid yesterday and allow him to compete. At the end he and his teammates will be better for it no matter the outcome.

Bottom line, I wouldn't bet against Winky. He IS special.

 

[cowboycane]

One of the reasons the Horns want Mack Brown gone...because he passed on Griffin, Manziel, Dalton, Keenum, etc. in favor of guys like David Ash and Case McCoy. Get the best players, period.

 

[bomb]

Mother****ers watch 3 minutes of 5" YouTube clips from their battle chairs and think they're Jimmy Johnson. I get that people will extrapolate their 1% accurate misguided opinions... for conversation. But what cracks me up is how y'all DIG IN!

 

[Canesbball]

You give the kid a shot no matter what. He IS a special talent. You want kids like that on your roster no matter what.

 

[LuCane]

Mother****ers watch 3 minutes of 5" YouTube clips from their battle chairs and think they're Jimmy Johnson. I get that people will extrapolate their 1% accurate misguided opinions... for conversation. But what cracks me up is how y'all DIG IN!

Oh jesus.

It's a message board. It's a football recruiting message board. If you haven't figured it out by now, your description is precisely its purpose.

 

[jerzeycane]

Mother****ers watch 3 minutes of 5" YouTube clips from their battle chairs and think they're Jimmy Johnson. I get that people will extrapolate their 1% accurate misguided opinions... for conversation. But what cracks me up is how y'all DIG IN!