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Will Golden ever win a National Championship @ UM?

LuCane said:
rokulika said:
LuCane said:
Sure. With only "yes or no" alternatives, there are too many things in his favor to answer "no."

Good organizational skills,
a desire to work hard,
great brand,
undying support of admin post NCAA mess (meaning a good amount of time),
excellent PR/Communication skills (meaning ++ representation of school/community),
location (recruits),
location (recruits),
location (recruits)...

Yes is an easier choice than no.
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But can he maximize these resources while maintaining the status quo? Basically, can he win without firing his good friend?
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I don't know. That's not the question. Given the "yes" or "no" nature of the question and the inherent advantages, I'd say yes every time because he can keep trying.
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Time is on his side. That's for sure. Here's to hoping he figures something out.
 
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LuCane said:
Sure. With only "yes or no" alternatives, there are too many things in his favor to answer "no."

Good organizational skills,
a desire to work hard,
great brand,
undying support of admin post NCAA mess (meaning a good amount of time),
excellent PR/Communication skills (meaning ++ representation of school/community),
location (recruits),
location (recruits),
location (recruits)...

Yes is an easier choice than no.
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All true.....add to that list Golden's ability as an elite recruiter (per experts in the business) and talent evaluator (Temple).
 
I don't expect to see another national title in my lifetime, with Golden or anyone else. I'd be thrilled with one more.

When the Dolphins dumped the Orange Bowl for Sun Life, I was livid, and told everyone I knew that the franchise would live to regret it, that they had no idea what they were forfeiting. The edges are so slight in this gig that you can't afford to give away a trump card building like that, which was demonstrably worth 1.5 to 2 points above even the most influential venues. All you had to do was compare home performance to road performance within the same time frame. The Orange Bowl was ultra, ultra special.

At least the Dolphins didn't have any guarantee that Sun Life would flop. Somehow we followed their masochistic lead despite 20 years of undeniable evidence. As I posted last week, Sun Life is well known to be worth 1.5 to 2 points total. The pointspread always plunges toward the road team in the late going in a competitively priced game when Sun Life is somehow granted 3 points home allotment. I can't remember the last exception. And the bettors collect, far more often than not.

Granted, the home site is hardly the only variable. If we somehow monopolize the extreme talent again, perhaps we can overcome our built in disadvantage. But consider the odds. True odds, not ripoff Las Vegas future odds. Other than a dominant team, which might be 7/2 or 4/1 to win the title, it drops almost immediately to 15/1 or 20/1 range. And soon it becomes even higher, once the new BCS format begins, requiring to win two postseason games and not one.

I just don't like our chances, considering the hurdle. But I'm not complaining. I sat through those Friday night games as a kid, with little expectation we'd ever reach anything other than an occasional minor bowl. Our heyday was staggering and I saved the tapes.
 
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No.


The landscape of college football has changed to a point where Miami is at a large financial and tactical disadvantage. Even our large (and crucial) upgrade to our facilities just gets us to the point where we're up to par, but other schools will continue to constantly and consistently improve theirs. Our fanbase is fickle, we don't have a large, powerful group of boosters, and we play at a cavernous stadium that our fans and students view with apathy or outright hatred. A stadium that the school just leases, cutting into their profits all the more. College football is now truly an arms race, and we lack one of the biggest weapons we could have. Also, it's getting harder and harder to keep local kids 'locked down', especially the blue chippers, and with all the black eyes the NCAA has received in the past decade, I suspect they'll turn a blind eye to all but the most egregious of recruiting offenses, meanwhile we'll be walking the straight and narrow.


I think we need a top echelon coaching staff to win a MNC in today's environment, all for middle of the road money. I think Golden will give us a decade of yeoman's work but his ceiling is a couple ACC Championship games (admittedly, that would be nice at this point) maybe a BCS bowl or two in that timeframe. I could even see us, due to the general weakness of the ACC, getting into the four team playoff, but there i'd think we'd just, unfortunately, be exposed by one of the heavyweights.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I don't expect to see another national title in my lifetime, with Golden or anyone else. I'd be thrilled with one more.

When the Dolphins dumped the Orange Bowl for Sun Life, I was livid, and told everyone I knew that the franchise would live to regret it, that they had no idea what they were forfeiting. The edges are so slight in this gig that you can't afford to give away a trump card building like that, which was demonstrably worth 1.5 to 2 points above even the most influential venues. All you had to do was compare home performance to road performance within the same time frame. The Orange Bowl was ultra, ultra special.

At least the Dolphins didn't have any guarantee that Sun Life would flop. Somehow we followed their masochistic lead despite 20 years of undeniable evidence. As I posted last week, Sun Life is well known to be worth 1.5 to 2 points total. The pointspread always plunges toward the road team in the late going in a competitively priced game when Sun Life is somehow granted 3 points home allotment. I can't remember the last exception. And the bettors collect, far more often than not.

Granted, the home site is hardly the only variable. If we somehow monopolize the extreme talent again, perhaps we can overcome our built in disadvantage. But consider the odds. True odds, not ripoff Las Vegas future odds. Other than a dominant team, which might be 7/2 or 4/1 to win the title, it drops almost immediately to 15/1 or 20/1 range. And soon it becomes even higher, once the new BCS format begins, requiring to win two postseason games and not one.

I just don't like our chances, considering the hurdle. But I'm not complaining. I sat through those Friday night games as a kid, with little expectation we'd ever reach anything other than an occasional minor bowl. Our heyday was staggering and I saved the tapes.
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Honest response. The reality, winning a National Championship these days aint quite what it used to be.
 
Yes, we are at least 2 recruiting classes away from any MNC conversation. We need to add more talents and develop depth for every positions. Before this season FSU and Jimbo Fisher was considered one of if not the most dissapointing programs/coaches in the country. Did FSU magically became a good program/coach over night? No, they are starting to reap the benefits of top 5 recruiting classes the last 4-5 years. I think we'll get there too but it will take time. Right now I'll just be happy with winning the Coastal and go to the ACCCG.
 
National Champions since 2000, and ranking in total revenue in 2013.

Texas (2005) #1
Ohio State (2002*) #2
Alabama (2009, 11, 12) #4
Florida (2006, 08) #5
LSU (2003, 07) #7
Oklahoma (2000**) #9
Auburn (2010) #10
USC (2003, 04) #14 **
Miami (2001) #45***

***** Terry Porter
** USC's AD revenue is $97 million
***Our's hard to track down, but most figures have us at just under $60 million a year, so I slotted us in the wide gulf between G.T. and Arizona State.

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/


The great lie is, it's not the SEC schools that are dominating college football, it's the schools in the top-10 in revenue. It just happens that 5 of the top 10 are in the SEC, so that's become the talking point.
 
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I don't know if he wins one, but I believe he will get us to a Championship game. Why? I think he slams down South Florida recruiting, grabs a few from NJ/PA, grabs a QB nationally. The players will be there, 82-85 'ships...
 
SevenNSeven said:
National Champions since 2000, and ranking in total revenue in 2013.

Texas (2005) #1
Ohio State (2002*) #2
Alabama (2009, 11, 12) #4
Florida (2006, 08) #5
LSU (2003, 07) #7
Oklahoma (2000**) #9
Auburn (2010) #10
USC (2003, 04) #14 **
Miami (2001) #45***

***** Terry Porter
** USC's AD revenue is $97 million
***Our's hard to track down, but most figures have us at just under $60 million a year, so I slotted us in the wide gulf between G.T. and Arizona State.

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/


The great lie is, it's not the SEC schools that are dominating college football, it's the schools in the top-10 in revenue. It just happens that 5 of the top 10 are in the SEC, so that's become the talking point.
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Good info. The great potential equalizer, to me, is that our school is in South Florida and that means something to some recruits.
 
Yes. The administration will voice their disapproval of the defense (Corch D), but will show Al that loyalty is mutual and will give him one more year with that pathetic excuse for a coordinator. With two more solid recruiting classes (2014 - 2015) the next DC will guide us to the promise land by 2016. I hope.
 
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No. But I have been blessed to have witnessed an amazing run in my lifetime already. I am content with 8-4 and 9-3. I also love being a spoiler to another team's BCS aspirations.
Eventually, Duke's football program will be on par with our's and I see them becoming our new perennial rival. And there is not a **** thing wrong with that. GO CANES!!
 
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ADELPHI said:
No. But I have been blessed to have witnessed an amazing run in my lifetime already. I am content with 8-4 and 9-3. I also love being a spoiler to another team's BCS aspirations.
Eventually, Duke's football program will be on par with our's and I see them becoming our new perennial rival. And there is not a **** thing wrong with that. GO CANES!!
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I've also seen some great stuff. I can't accept this, man. I can't even wrap my brain around it.
 
Say what you want about money, stadiums, etc. the bottom line is the University of Miami sits on fertile recruiting ground. And as long as that is the case, the University of Miami will be a major player in college football. The only thing left is to get a solid coach that can recruit and put those stud athletes in a great position to win. If Golden can do that we are Golden (pun intended) if not then he will be the 3rd coach in a row to have failed at Miami.

But Golden's 5th rank in recruiting indicates that Miami is a school that is always a good recruiter/coach away from becoming a big time player in CFB.
 
LuCane said:
SevenNSeven said:
National Champions since 2000, and ranking in total revenue in 2013.

Texas (2005) #1
Ohio State (2002*) #2
Alabama (2009, 11, 12) #4
Florida (2006, 08) #5
LSU (2003, 07) #7
Oklahoma (2000**) #9
Auburn (2010) #10
USC (2003, 04) #14 **
Miami (2001) #45***

***** Terry Porter
** USC's AD revenue is $97 million
***Our's hard to track down, but most figures have us at just under $60 million a year, so I slotted us in the wide gulf between G.T. and Arizona State.

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/


The great lie is, it's not the SEC schools that are dominating college football, it's the schools in the top-10 in revenue. It just happens that 5 of the top 10 are in the SEC, so that's become the talking point.
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Good info. The great potential equalizer, to me, is that our school is in South Florida and that means something to some recruits.
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But thats the thing, there seems to be an exodus of stud players leaving south florida and repping their city somewhere else. Heck all of FSU skill guys went to school down here, Freeman RB, Benjamin WR, Greene WR, O'Leary TE... Cot dam... I know they all have their own story but at the end of the day we are missing on too many guys, when we are down we cant supplement with OOS studs, we supplement with Jimmy Gaines and he plays a ton because he is a smart guy and lines us up.

The arms race just adds to it, these schools got money to blow and you got enough handlers and mentors down here where every kid is attainable for the right price. Of course we have some who dont play those games but lately seems like the majority do. If you want to win with what we have seen and how we play Defense you are going to need a truckload of talent. Then its going to take years for them to earn reps because Golden seems to be a seniority guy. And this might all be a moot point because like you said you have the playoff coming and from what I have seen Dorito will continue to be outclassed by any and every competent OC
 
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