Uncle Jethro, do you guys want him back next year ?

Lol @ people dogging Kehoe

I don't know if it is Kehoe, or our players are soft/just not good enough, but in short yardage. When the game is on the line. You need to get your *** out your stance and mow them ****es back.

This isn't just about the FSU game either. It's a scene that we have seen for some time.

They looked pretty strong and rugged in the 4th quarter of the UNC and Wake games.

4 qtr doesn't equal an entire game. One drive doesn't make up for lost opportunity.

UNC game 1st qtr, 2nd drive. 2 attempts on UNC 1 yard line. Duke gets stuffed for -3 yards. Morris misses moe, and we kick a FG.

UNC game 1st qtr, 4th drive. 2 attempts on opponents 7 yard line. 4 yards, and another incomplete pass from Morris. Results a FG.

That's 8 points lost in one qtr.

WF game 1st qtr, 1st drive. Dallas stopped on 3rd and 2 for no gain.

WF game 3rd qtr, 2nd drive. Duke, and DC, are both stopped on 3rd and 4th down. Inside WF 10 yard line.

You have got to make those plays more times than not, and you **** sure better make them on 4th down, or you take a chance and pop the entire teams balloon.

**** sure gonna need to do now that Duke is gone.

And games are more than an isolated 3rd or 4th down unsuccessful run. You mentioned a couple of unsuccessful rush attempts followed by Morris missing easy passes for TDs. Morris hits those gimme passes, and it's a non-issue. No one converts them all, but I think our running game, overall, is the least of our concerns (at least before Duke got hurt).
 
Advertisement
I don't see a huge problem here. We don't have a single player who plays a lot on our defensive front who is clearly an nfl player. We have many who clearly are not. I'm not sure we could be getting too much more out of the line given who we are playing. We've been surprisingly good against the run IMO. Vs pass we dont have talented pass rushers amongst our top guys.
 
Our RBs are as much at fault as our OL in short yardage situations. We rotate 2 guys who are undersized and who's best attribute is finding a crease in zone schemes and getting upfield. That doesn't work very often in short yardage. The defensive front is going to be diving in gaps to try to create penetration and force piles. It doesn't matter how good your OL is if the back is going to hit that pile and stop. We desperately need a bigger, more physical back for those situations.


On Wilders first TD run we had penetration into the backfield, but Wilder lowered his shoulders and drove 2 guys into the end zone. That doesn't mean FSUs OL sucks (in fact they're outstanding), but you're at a numerical disadvantage at the goalline and you need plays like that to score. Neither of our backs are very good in that area.
 
Lol @ people dogging Kehoe

I don't know if it is Kehoe, or our players are soft/just not good enough, but in short yardage. When the game is on the line. You need to get your *** out your stance and mow them ****es back.

This isn't just about the FSU game either. It's a scene that we have seen for some time.

They looked pretty strong and rugged in the 4th quarter of the UNC and Wake games.

4 qtr doesn't equal an entire game. One drive doesn't make up for lost opportunity.

UNC game 1st qtr, 2nd drive. 2 attempts on UNC 1 yard line. Duke gets stuffed for -3 yards. Morris misses moe, and we kick a FG.

UNC game 1st qtr, 4th drive. 2 attempts on opponents 7 yard line. 4 yards, and another incomplete pass from Morris. Results a FG.

That's 8 points lost in one qtr.

WF game 1st qtr, 1st drive. Dallas stopped on 3rd and 2 for no gain.

WF game 3rd qtr, 2nd drive. Duke, and DC, are both stopped on 3rd and 4th down. Inside WF 10 yard line.

You have got to make those plays more times than not, and you **** sure better make them on 4th down, or you take a chance and pop the entire teams balloon.

**** sure gonna need to do now that Duke is gone.

I agree, even against games like GT. We were having big time drives and Duke would fumble the ball or Morris would throw an INT. These isolated plays matter in the game and influence it's outcome directly.

Also, now that we're missing FGs we can't even take those kicks for granted.
 
Gilbert is a mystery to me. He looked good early on but now he hardly plays.
 
Advertisement
Bottom line is pass rushing is a skill just like QB anticipation, RB vision, WR sideline awareness, etc... It's no surprise McCord and AQM are already the best pass rushers. They possess the necessary skills.

Chickillo's problem isn't technique. He doesn't doesn't have burst, and he's not a brute who can overpower o-linemen.

not hating on chick but just wondering , if what you say is true, what skills does he possess because he was a pretty highly touted recruit

Imo, Chick is better suited as a penetrating DT. He doesn't really have the explosion and strength to be a prototypical DE in what the staff is asking of him. However, I think in a penetrating front he would be productive there (freshman year).

Matt Walters. Might be the most underappreciate tackle Miami has had in the last 15 years. Chick is in the same mold.
 
Advertisement
Lol @ people dogging Kehoe

I don't know if it is Kehoe, or our players are soft/just not good enough, but in short yardage. When the game is on the line. You need to get your *** out your stance and mow them ****es back.

This isn't just about the FSU game either. It's a scene that we have seen for some time.

They looked pretty strong and rugged in the 4th quarter of the UNC and Wake games.

4 qtr doesn't equal an entire game. One drive doesn't make up for lost opportunity.

UNC game 1st qtr, 2nd drive. 2 attempts on UNC 1 yard line. Duke gets stuffed for -3 yards. Morris misses moe, and we kick a FG.

UNC game 1st qtr, 4th drive. 2 attempts on opponents 7 yard line. 4 yards, and another incomplete pass from Morris. Results a FG.

That's 8 points lost in one qtr.

WF game 1st qtr, 1st drive. Dallas stopped on 3rd and 2 for no gain.

WF game 3rd qtr, 2nd drive. Duke, and DC, are both stopped on 3rd and 4th down. Inside WF 10 yard line.

You have got to make those plays more times than not, and you **** sure better make them on 4th down, or you take a chance and pop the entire teams balloon.

**** sure gonna need to do now that Duke is gone.

Miami will run more power blocking schemes with Crawford and Clements running the ball. Miami has a bunch of grinders and they're not terribly athletic.
 
Lol @ people dogging Kehoe

I don't know if it is Kehoe, or our players are soft/just not good enough, but in short yardage. When the game is on the line. You need to get your *** out your stance and mow them ****es back.

This isn't just about the FSU game either. It's a scene that we have seen for some time.

They looked pretty strong and rugged in the 4th quarter of the UNC and Wake games.

4 qtr doesn't equal an entire game. One drive doesn't make up for lost opportunity.

UNC game 1st qtr, 2nd drive. 2 attempts on UNC 1 yard line. Duke gets stuffed for -3 yards. Morris misses moe, and we kick a FG.

UNC game 1st qtr, 4th drive. 2 attempts on opponents 7 yard line. 4 yards, and another incomplete pass from Morris. Results a FG.

That's 8 points lost in one qtr.

WF game 1st qtr, 1st drive. Dallas stopped on 3rd and 2 for no gain.

WF game 3rd qtr, 2nd drive. Duke, and DC, are both stopped on 3rd and 4th down. Inside WF 10 yard line.

You have got to make those plays more times than not, and you **** sure better make them on 4th down, or you take a chance and pop the entire teams balloon.

**** sure gonna need to do now that Duke is gone.


Ugh! LOL

You guys gotta look at the TE's and RB's. It's not always the OL when we get stuffed. Our TE's get their asses kicked alot and our RB's don't always run with authority.

Nobody pushes our O-line back. The only way defenses beat our OL is with speed. But when our OL gets their body on people they move.
 
Advertisement
OL has allowed the least sacks in the ACC.

2nd least TFL's, behind Duke, who most likely gets the ball out of their QB's hands within 2 seconds.

One of the top rushing offenses in the ACC. I think top-3 in Yards Per Carry @ somehwere around 5.5 YPC.


A ****** OL doesn't accomplish that.
 
Lol @ people dogging Kehoe

I don't know if it is Kehoe, or our players are soft/just not good enough, but in short yardage. When the game is on the line. You need to get your *** out your stance and mow them ****es back.

This isn't just about the FSU game either. It's a scene that we have seen for some time.

They looked pretty strong and rugged in the 4th quarter of the UNC and Wake games.

4 qtr doesn't equal an entire game. One drive doesn't make up for lost opportunity.

UNC game 1st qtr, 2nd drive. 2 attempts on UNC 1 yard line. Duke gets stuffed for -3 yards. Morris misses moe, and we kick a FG.

UNC game 1st qtr, 4th drive. 2 attempts on opponents 7 yard line. 4 yards, and another incomplete pass from Morris. Results a FG.

That's 8 points lost in one qtr.

WF game 1st qtr, 1st drive. Dallas stopped on 3rd and 2 for no gain.

WF game 3rd qtr, 2nd drive. Duke, and DC, are both stopped on 3rd and 4th down. Inside WF 10 yard line.

You have got to make those plays more times than not, and you **** sure better make them on 4th down, or you take a chance and pop the entire teams balloon.

**** sure gonna need to do now that Duke is gone.


Ugh! LOL

You guys gotta look at the TE's and RB's. It's not always the OL when we get stuffed. Our TE's get their asses kicked alot and our RB's don't always run with authority.

Nobody pushes our O-line back. The only way defenses beat our OL is with speed. But when our OL gets their body on people they move.

Yep more than a few of those exampled were on the TE missing a block or getting pushed back. It's also not a very large sample size. People act like we should be converting those plays 90% of the time, when in reality they're probably closer to 60% plays, and we're actually half decent at them. People really need to stop microanalyzing everything, and then focus on the negatives. It's seriously like they don't realize there's a team on the other side of the LOS trying to stop you from what you want to do, and at times they'll actually succeed in doing that. And amazingly not every time they do that someone gets fired.
 
Advertisement
OL has allowed the least sacks in the ACC.

2nd least TFL's, behind Duke, who most likely gets the ball out of their QB's hands within 2 seconds.

One of the top rushing offenses in the ACC. I think top-3 in Yards Per Carry @ somehwere around 5.5 YPC.


A ****ty OL doesn't accomplish that.

BUT WE DIDN'T CONVERT THAT THIRD AND SHORT. CUT THE ENTIRE OL RIGHT NOW AND FIRE KEHOE.

Or maybe look at big picture and realize the OL is actually performing really well and we have a great run game.
 
I don't know if it is Kehoe, or our players are soft/just not good enough, but in short yardage. When the game is on the line. You need to get your *** out your stance and mow them ****es back.

This isn't just about the FSU game either. It's a scene that we have seen for some time.

They looked pretty strong and rugged in the 4th quarter of the UNC and Wake games.

4 qtr doesn't equal an entire game. One drive doesn't make up for lost opportunity.

UNC game 1st qtr, 2nd drive. 2 attempts on UNC 1 yard line. Duke gets stuffed for -3 yards. Morris misses moe, and we kick a FG.

UNC game 1st qtr, 4th drive. 2 attempts on opponents 7 yard line. 4 yards, and another incomplete pass from Morris. Results a FG.

That's 8 points lost in one qtr.

WF game 1st qtr, 1st drive. Dallas stopped on 3rd and 2 for no gain.

WF game 3rd qtr, 2nd drive. Duke, and DC, are both stopped on 3rd and 4th down. Inside WF 10 yard line.

You have got to make those plays more times than not, and you **** sure better make them on 4th down, or you take a chance and pop the entire teams balloon.

**** sure gonna need to do now that Duke is gone.


Ugh! LOL

You guys gotta look at the TE's and RB's. It's not always the OL when we get stuffed. Our TE's get their asses kicked alot and our RB's don't always run with authority.

Nobody pushes our O-line back. The only way defenses beat our OL is with speed. But when our OL gets their body on people they move.

Yep more than a few of those exampled were on the TE missing a block or getting pushed back. It's also not a very large sample size. People act like we should be converting those plays 90% of the time, when in reality they're probably closer to 60% plays, and we're actually half decent at them. People really need to stop microanalyzing everything, and then focus on the negatives. It's seriously like they don't realize there's a team on the other side of the LOS trying to stop you from what you want to do, and at times they'll actually succeed in doing that. And amazingly not every time they do that someone gets fired.

That's the problem in a nutshell. Taking a handful of plays over the course of a season out of hundreds of plays and acting like those negative plays are the norm instead of outliers. No one converts every 3rd or 4th and short. I think it would be more telling to see what our AVERAGE conversion rate is on 3rd and 3 or less and then compare that to the rest of the country.
 
I want whoever Golden wants on staff. By all accounts the guy (Golden) breathes Canes football to the point of obsession. He IS NOT going to allow some slap ****, ineffective coach to continue to drag down this program. If Golden trusts him, then I sure as **** do.

I love golden as much as anyone else here but so far he has shown an unwillingness to let to go any of his hires by choice. Maybe he is too loyal to a fault? I for one would not be sad to see Jethro go

Why would he start firing guys when they've built a 7-1 club from the rubble and are in the driver's seat to win the Coastal? The jackals are blood-thirsty. You "fire everyone" guys must have felt quite a relief when fsu tuned us up. That sht's been building up in you for 9 weeks now.

Isn't this what good coaches are always evaluating? They should always be looking to make upgrades to their staff when they can. I don't think it is too far-fetched to think guys like Kehoe and Jethro can be replaced with better coaches.

You don't understand how successful teams and organizations operate. You guys are all about firing everyone at the drop of a hat. You can't build a great organization that way because no one will want to work for you. We're 7-1 and building from ground zero with a legit shot of finishing the regular season 11-1.

I don't think you guys understand just how destroyed this program was from top to bottom when The Don took over. The Temple program he left was in better shape than UM when he showed up.

11-1 still won't be good enough for some of these mopes. Something will always be wrong, someone will always need to be fired, and Golden will always be a corch.
 
I understand very well how destroyed the program was when Al took over. Saw it first-hand. Everything he's done to make us relevant hasn't gone unnoticed. Pointing out where we need to improve (recruiting, stopping people from scoring, fielding an effective offense), does not make one a mope. If people want to have a big circle jerk then you guys should just get a bunch of bourbon, go out into the woods and cornhole everything in sight. Everyone realizes what an uphill battle it's been. There are things that need fixing. There's a high standard here. Deal with it.
 
Advertisement
Back
Top