Uncle Jethro, do you guys want him back next year ?

[CanesAreAble]

We normally 2-gap on the defensive line, unless of course it's a 3rd & long situation. That's 2 downs out of 3 that we're not playing with our ears pinned back so you can basically forget about getting any pass rush on 1st or 2nd down. On 3rd down our "pass rush specialists" come in at DE and we pin our ears back. That's the ONLY time we really go after the QB and we're basically relying on AQM or McCord to get there. (unless we blitz LB's, which we only do on 3rd & medium I believe) This style of defense is never gonna register high sack numbers. If you look at D'Onofrio's past you'll probably notice that he's never had a high sack defense. This isn't like the old Miami style of defense where your DL played with their ears pinned back all game and we got tons of TFL's and sacks.

We have 23 sacks on the year.

Nation leader (ECU) has 29.

And I think our pressure will improve when our starting DEs are multi-faceted players (e.g. AQM taking over for 51 next year).

 

[OBLIVION]

We normally 2-gap on the defensive line, unless of course it's a 3rd & long situation. That's 2 downs out of 3 that we're not playing with our ears pinned back so you can basically forget about getting any pass rush on 1st or 2nd down. On 3rd down our "pass rush specialists" come in at DE and we pin our ears back. That's the ONLY time we really go after the QB and we're basically relying on AQM or McCord to get there. (unless we blitz LB's, which we only do on 3rd & medium I believe) This style of defense is never gonna register high sack numbers. If you look at D'Onofrio's past you'll probably notice that he's never had a high sack defense. This isn't like the old Miami style of defense where your DL played with their ears pinned back all game and we got tons of TFL's and sacks.

We have 23 sacks on the year.

Nation leader (ECU) has 29.

And I think our pressure will improve when our starting DEs are multi-faceted players (e.g. AQM taking over for 51 next year).

Clemson leads with 30, but i get your point

 

[CanesAreAble]

We normally 2-gap on the defensive line, unless of course it's a 3rd & long situation. That's 2 downs out of 3 that we're not playing with our ears pinned back so you can basically forget about getting any pass rush on 1st or 2nd down. On 3rd down our "pass rush specialists" come in at DE and we pin our ears back. That's the ONLY time we really go after the QB and we're basically relying on AQM or McCord to get there. (unless we blitz LB's, which we only do on 3rd & medium I believe) This style of defense is never gonna register high sack numbers. If you look at D'Onofrio's past you'll probably notice that he's never had a high sack defense. This isn't like the old Miami style of defense where your DL played with their ears pinned back all game and we got tons of TFL's and sacks.

We have 23 sacks on the year.

Nation leader (ECU) has 29.

And I think our pressure will improve when our starting DEs are multi-faceted players (e.g. AQM taking over for 51 next year).

Clemson leads with 30, but i get your point

You're right.

 

[Duval904]

Able, the eternal optimist

 

[CanesAreAble]

Able, the eternal realist

I know, bruh.

I know.

 

[CaneMutiny06]

Another thing to look at is passing attempts per sack

Stanford, for instance, has more sacks than we do (27), but their attempts per sack ratio is 13/1

Ours is 11/1.

Of course, sacks alone aren't the end all be all measure of a defense's pass rush ability, but its interesting to look at nonetheless.

 

[Storm Warning]

Wait...

It's being said in other threads that talent is our issue, not coaching. So why the displeasure for Franklin?

Well he is not doing either bringing in talent or coaching.

Well he's not the one recruiting all of our D-linemen. The coaches recruit by region, not by position.

Also...

We normally 2-gap on the defensive line, unless of course it's a 3rd & long situation. That's 2 downs out of 3 that we're not playing with our ears pinned back so you can basically forget about getting any pass rush on 1st or 2nd down. On 3rd down our "pass rush specialists" come in at DE and we pin our ears back. That's the ONLY time we really go after the QB and we're basically relying on AQM or McCord to get there. (unless we blitz LB's, which we only do on 3rd & medium I believe) This style of defense is never gonna register high sack numbers. If you look at D'Onofrio's past you'll probably notice that he's never had a high sack defense. This isn't like the old Miami style of defense where your DL played with their ears pinned back all game and we got tons of TFL's and sacks.

1. Last year, FSU had a beast DL (Werner and Carradine as their starting DEs) and managed 2.57 sacks per game
http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/team/234/sack/index.html

2. This year, with top recruits Edwards Jr., Goldman, and ******* Jernigan (coordinated by Pruitt, i.e. DEFENSIVE SUPERGENIUS) FSU has produced 2.38 sacks per game
http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/team/234/sack/index.html

3. This year, with McCord, Chickillo, Renfrow, and Pierre, Miami is producing 2.88 sacks per game (and the remaining games offer no reason to expect a decrease)
http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/team/415/sack/index.html

Much respect to your football pedigree and schematic analysis, Wildcat, but sometimes the "eye test" can be misleading when you have a strong emotional reaction -- frustration -- to what you're watching. Ballers are gonna ball and JAGs are gonna **** up; it just so happens this year that we have a lot more JAGs (much love, despite the criticism) in starting positions and therefore have more mistakes.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

I want whoever Golden wants on staff. By all accounts the guy (Golden) breathes Canes football to the point of obsession. He IS NOT going to allow some slap ****, ineffective coach to continue to drag down this program. If Golden trusts him, then I sure as **** do.

I love golden as much as anyone else here but so far he has shown an unwillingness to let to go any of his hires by choice. Maybe he is too loyal to a fault? I for one would not be sad to see Jethro go

Why would he start firing guys when they've built a 7-1 club from the rubble and are in the driver's seat to win the Coastal? The jackals are blood-thirsty. You "fire everyone" guys must have felt quite a relief when fsu tuned us up. That sht's been building up in you for 9 weeks now.

Isn't this what good coaches are always evaluating? They should always be looking to make upgrades to their staff when they can. I don't think it is too far-fetched to think guys like Kehoe and Jethro can be replaced with better coaches.

 

[bigsonnyu]

Gotta get the right players IMO. We were decent at the DE position when O. Vernon was here, but the DT's sucked. Now our DT's are pretty solid, but any above average OT can take any one of our DE's to secure the edge for their RB.... It's not always the coaching.

Chickilo is a fan favorite, but the guy gets seal blocked every game, and although Green is hard to move on the other side, he wont help you get pressure on the QB at all. Both Green and Chik belong in the DT rotation, but there aren't any other options. McCord & AQM aren't everydown players right now.

Again, It's not always the coaching.

 

[SmokeyRone]

No, I don't want him back.

 

[Coach Macho]

We normally 2-gap on the defensive line, unless of course it's a 3rd & long situation. That's 2 downs out of 3 that we're not playing with our ears pinned back so you can basically forget about getting any pass rush on 1st or 2nd down. On 3rd down our "pass rush specialists" come in at DE and we pin our ears back. That's the ONLY time we really go after the QB and we're basically relying on AQM or McCord to get there. (unless we blitz LB's, which we only do on 3rd & medium I believe) This style of defense is never gonna register high sack numbers. If you look at D'Onofrio's past you'll probably notice that he's never had a high sack defense. This isn't like the old Miami style of defense where your DL played with their ears pinned back all game and we got tons of TFL's and sacks.

We have 23 sacks on the year.

Nation leader (ECU) has 29.

And I think our pressure will improve when our starting DEs are multi-faceted players (e.g. AQM taking over for 51 next year).

So we'd have to play roughly 3 more games to catch up to the nation leader?

It probably will increase a bit when we replace guys like Green with guys like AQM, no doubt about that, but it still doesn't change the fact that we don't attack the QB on every down. That was my point. Nothing wrong with that though. There's good defenses that wait until 3rd down to pin their ears back. I don't have a problem with that. Alabama is 12th in the SEC in sacks but 1st in total defense.

Personally, if I had the issue that D'Onofrio has, in regards to talent at the OLB/DE position, this is what I would do...

If I'm running an Odd front (3-4) then I would use a guy like McCord or AQM at my weak OLB spot...and in the 4-3 he'd be at the weak DE spot...and his ears would be pinned back EVERY DOWN. That would be our "rush" spot. He's coming hard every down and he provides us with a constant pass rush. The strong-side DE or OLB would be a guy like Green. Then on 3rd down you take Green out and replace him with an additional pass rusher.

 

[Coach Macho]

Wait...

It's being said in other threads that talent is our issue, not coaching. So why the displeasure for Franklin?

Well he is not doing either bringing in talent or coaching.

Well he's not the one recruiting all of our D-linemen. The coaches recruit by region, not by position.

Also...

We normally 2-gap on the defensive line, unless of course it's a 3rd & long situation. That's 2 downs out of 3 that we're not playing with our ears pinned back so you can basically forget about getting any pass rush on 1st or 2nd down. On 3rd down our "pass rush specialists" come in at DE and we pin our ears back. That's the ONLY time we really go after the QB and we're basically relying on AQM or McCord to get there. (unless we blitz LB's, which we only do on 3rd & medium I believe) This style of defense is never gonna register high sack numbers. If you look at D'Onofrio's past you'll probably notice that he's never had a high sack defense. This isn't like the old Miami style of defense where your DL played with their ears pinned back all game and we got tons of TFL's and sacks.

1. Last year, FSU had a beast DL (Werner and Carradine as their starting DEs) and managed 2.57 sacks per game
http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/team/234/sack/index.html

2. This year, with top recruits Edwards Jr., Goldman, and ******* Jernigan (coordinated by Pruitt, i.e. DEFENSIVE SUPERGENIUS) FSU has produced 2.38 sacks per game
http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/team/234/sack/index.html

3. This year, with McCord, Chickillo, Renfrow, and Pierre, Miami is producing 2.88 sacks per game (and the remaining games offer no reason to expect a decrease)
http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/team/415/sack/index.html

Much respect to your football pedigree and schematic analysis, Wildcat, but sometimes the "eye test" can be misleading when you have a strong emotional reaction -- frustration -- to what you're watching. Ballers are gonna ball and JAGs are gonna **** up; it just so happens this year that we have a lot more JAGs (much love, despite the criticism) in starting positions and therefore have more mistakes.

FSU's not getting after the QB the same way this year. I know that. But what was your aim with that post? I don't have a problem with the way we attack the QB.

 

[DeadPoets]

Lol @ people dogging Kehoe

 

[OBLIVION]

Lol @ people dogging Kehoe

I don't know if it is Kehoe, or our players are soft/just not good enough, but in short yardage. When the game is on the line. You need to get your *** out your stance and mow them ******* back.

This isn't just about the FSU game either. It's a scene that we have seen for some time.

 

[M3N]

Lol @ people dogging Kehoe

I don't know if it is Kehoe, or our players are soft/just not good enough, but in short yardage. When the game is on the line. You need to get your *** out your stance and mow them ****es back.

This isn't just about the FSU game either. It's a scene that we have seen for some time.

almost every team over the last 3 has stuffed us at 4 and 1

 

[Storm Warning]

Wait...

It's being said in other threads that talent is our issue, not coaching. So why the displeasure for Franklin?

Well he is not doing either bringing in talent or coaching.

Well he's not the one recruiting all of our D-linemen. The coaches recruit by region, not by position.

Also...

We normally 2-gap on the defensive line, unless of course it's a 3rd & long situation. That's 2 downs out of 3 that we're not playing with our ears pinned back so you can basically forget about getting any pass rush on 1st or 2nd down. On 3rd down our "pass rush specialists" come in at DE and we pin our ears back. That's the ONLY time we really go after the QB and we're basically relying on AQM or McCord to get there. (unless we blitz LB's, which we only do on 3rd & medium I believe) This style of defense is never gonna register high sack numbers. If you look at D'Onofrio's past you'll probably notice that he's never had a high sack defense. This isn't like the old Miami style of defense where your DL played with their ears pinned back all game and we got tons of TFL's and sacks.

1. Last year, FSU had a beast DL (Werner and Carradine as their starting DEs) and managed 2.57 sacks per game
http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/team/234/sack/index.html

2. This year, with top recruits Edwards Jr., Goldman, and ******* Jernigan (coordinated by Pruitt, i.e. DEFENSIVE SUPERGENIUS) FSU has produced 2.38 sacks per game
http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/team/234/sack/index.html

3. This year, with McCord, Chickillo, Renfrow, and Pierre, Miami is producing 2.88 sacks per game (and the remaining games offer no reason to expect a decrease)
http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/team/415/sack/index.html

Much respect to your football pedigree and schematic analysis, Wildcat, but sometimes the "eye test" can be misleading when you have a strong emotional reaction -- frustration -- to what you're watching. Ballers are gonna ball and JAGs are gonna **** up; it just so happens this year that we have a lot more JAGs (much love, despite the criticism) in starting positions and therefore have more mistakes.

FSU's not getting after the QB the same way this year. I know that. But what was your aim with that post? I don't have a problem with the way we attack the QB.

Basically just to respond to "This style of defense is never gonna register high sack numbers." It seems like we're doing pretty well in that department right now, comparatively, and it stands to reason that we'll do even better once they bring in some legitimate pass rushers. I guess that I don't know whether or not you were being critical of coach D, but it is clear that you respect Pruitt (who is getting worse production from a better line). Something has to give.

 

[The Franchise]

I want whoever Golden wants on staff. By all accounts the guy (Golden) breathes Canes football to the point of obsession. He IS NOT going to allow some slap ****, ineffective coach to continue to drag down this program. If Golden trusts him, then I sure as **** do.

I love golden as much as anyone else here but so far he has shown an unwillingness to let to go any of his hires by choice. Maybe he is too loyal to a fault? I for one would not be sad to see Jethro go

Why would he start firing guys when they've built a 7-1 club from the rubble and are in the driver's seat to win the Coastal? The jackals are blood-thirsty. You "fire everyone" guys must have felt quite a relief when fsu tuned us up. That sht's been building up in you for 9 weeks now.

Isn't this what good coaches are always evaluating? They should always be looking to make upgrades to their staff when they can. I don't think it is too far-fetched to think guys like Kehoe and Jethro can be replaced with better coaches.

You don't understand how successful teams and organizations operate. You guys are all about firing everyone at the drop of a hat. You can't build a great organization that way because no one will want to work for you. We're 7-1 and building from ground zero with a legit shot of finishing the regular season 11-1.

I don't think you guys understand just how destroyed this program was from top to bottom when The Don took over. The Temple program he left was in better shape than UM when he showed up.

 

[The Franchise]

Lol @ people dogging Kehoe

I don't know if it is Kehoe, or our players are soft/just not good enough, but in short yardage. When the game is on the line. You need to get your *** out your stance and mow them ****es back.

This isn't just about the FSU game either. It's a scene that we have seen for some time.

They looked pretty strong and rugged in the 4th quarter of the UNC and Wake games.

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

Wait...

It's being said in other threads that talent is our issue, not coaching. So why the displeasure for Franklin?

Well he is not doing either bringing in talent or coaching.

Well he's not the one recruiting all of our D-linemen. The coaches recruit by region, not by position.

Also...

.

I know that but who has he brought in before Wyche? Every time I seen him mentioned by a recruit the kid ends at FSU, Ole miss, UF or some other school.

 

[OBLIVION]

Lol @ people dogging Kehoe

I don't know if it is Kehoe, or our players are soft/just not good enough, but in short yardage. When the game is on the line. You need to get your *** out your stance and mow them ****es back.

This isn't just about the FSU game either. It's a scene that we have seen for some time.

They looked pretty strong and rugged in the 4th quarter of the UNC and Wake games.

4 qtr doesn't equal an entire game. One drive doesn't make up for lost opportunity.

UNC game 1st qtr, 2nd drive. 2 attempts on UNC 1 yard line. Duke gets stuffed for -3 yards. Morris misses moe, and we kick a FG.

UNC game 1st qtr, 4th drive. 2 attempts on opponents 7 yard line. 4 yards, and another incomplete pass from Morris. Results a FG.

That's 8 points lost in one qtr.

WF game 1st qtr, 1st drive. Dallas stopped on 3rd and 2 for no gain.

WF game 3rd qtr, 2nd drive. Duke, and DC, are both stopped on 3rd and 4th down. Inside WF 10 yard line.

You have got to make those plays more times than not, and you **** sure better make them on 4th down, or you take a chance and pop the entire teams balloon.

**** sure gonna need to do now that Duke is gone.