Tuesday Practice

[Canesfan1899]

I'd take that to, if they were 20-30 yard darts, but they aren't.
I've never seen RW throw a dart.

RW has his strengths.
He seems to be mature, knows the play book, plays within himself, is relatively accurate in practice.

I will give you an analogy. AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers and Jimmy Gaines were all mature and smart players. They all knew the play book. They were all senior leaders and didn't make many mental errors.

Again, I'm hoping RW becomes Steve Walsh, but for the team's sake and for the future health of his receivers, he needs to start actually throwing some darts.
Those floaters may get there in practice, but games are not practice. In real games those floaters are going to get picked off or batted away, and our wr's are going to get their chests caved in from safeties and linebackers who will have that extra time to close, because the passes aren't close to being lasers.

May ALL our QBs until the end of time turn into STEVE WALSH!

To this day, still my favorite UM QB. You take away the Cleveland Gary BS call and homeboy wins two championships back to back.

Walsh and Dorsey are living proof you don't need a gun to be a great COLLEGE QB. If Williams fails...it won't be because of his arm. It's adequate.

Walsh, Dorsey and Kosar were exceptional qb's, and they all had above average arms.
Except Kosar, he had a very average arm.

All three of those qb's would rifle it when they had to, but they all had extraordinary timing, anticipation, leadership skills, and football IQ.
Same with Drew Brees when he was at Purdue and Montana at Notre Dame.

I don't think it's being critical, but stating the obvious, when I say that if RW exhibited the same intangible traits as those qb's, he would have been the best qb in college football the past couple years instead of a backup who lost his job at Memphis.

Walsh is debateable....but even then I remember during his time with the Saints his arm was always looked upon as a weakness.

Dorsey I straight up disagree with you on. He had, on his best day, an average arm. What he had was elite anticipation and football IQ.

Exactly, Dorsey's lack of arm strength is why he never made it in the pros. When the passing windows became smaller he didn't have enough on the ball to make the throws he made in college.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

StateOfTheU.com ‏@TheStateOfTheU · 47m
Ryan Williams starts the day off with 2 incompletions and an interception in 3 passes in the 2 minute drill. Not the best start ever.

Cut him he sucks.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

@MiamiHurricanes: Stacy Coley gets behind Tracy Howard on a Ryan Williams deep ball pic.twitter.com/5EK7paL8vw

What scares me about that pic is that is called a "deep ball" when it is a pass 20-25 yards downfield.
Floater after floater from RW no matter the distance of the throw.

Yep he's garbage. Waste of scholarship. Cut Williams. Start Olsen and use Williams scholly on another QB this cycle.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

People are overreacting to the arm strength. His arm strength is plenty as long as he throws spirals, is efficient and manages the game well. I know ideally you want a Stephen Morris arm with a Ken Dorsey brain, but they can't all be like that. I'd rather have an efficient guy who can throw 20-30 yard darts consistentyl than a guy who can throw 70 yard bombs but can't manage an intermediate game.

I'd take that to, if they were 20-30 yard darts, but they aren't.
I've never seen RW throw a dart.

RW has his strengths.
He seems to be mature, knows the play book, plays within himself, is relatively accurate in practice.

I will give you an analogy. AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers and Jimmy Gaines were all mature and smart players. They all knew the play book. They were all senior leaders and didn't make many mental errors.

Again, I'm hoping RW becomes Steve Walsh, but for the team's sake and for the future health of his receivers, he needs to start actually throwing some darts.
Those floaters may get there in practice, but games are not practice. In real games those floaters are going to get picked off or batted away, and our wr's are going to get their chests caved in from safeties and linebackers who will have that extra time to close, because the passes aren't close to being lasers.

May ALL our QBs until the end of time turn into STEVE WALSH!

To this day, still my favorite UM QB. You take away the Cleveland Gary BS call and homeboy wins two championships back to back.

Walsh and Dorsey are living proof you don't need a gun to be a great COLLEGE QB. If Williams fails...it won't be because of his arm. It's adequate.

Walsh, Dorsey and Kosar were exceptional qb's, and they all had above average arms.
Except Kosar, he had a very average arm.

All three of those qb's would rifle it when they had to, but they all had extraordinary timing, anticipation, leadership skills, and football IQ.
Same with Drew Brees when he was at Purdue and Montana at Notre Dame.

I don't think it's being critical, but stating the obvious, when I say that if RW exhibited the same intangible traits as those qb's, he would have been the best qb in college football the past couple years instead of a backup who lost his job at Memphis.

He started his entire freshman year at Memphis.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/player/404/1032567/passing/split.html

 

[Cane Dynasty]

@mattyports: Earl Moore the first #Canes DT this spring to earn a black jersey. Alex Figueroa, Tracy Howard lose their black shirts.


Matt Porter ‏@mattyports · 22m
New in black, besides Moore: Jermaine Grace, Dallas Crawford, Artie Burns. Perryman, Kirby still in black.

DALLAS CRAWFORD?!? Taking spots...

And Grace.
Looks like our defense is going to have a legitimate 2 deep, with most of the players sophomores or juniors.

Starting to have a pretty good feeling about this year.

Me too. I have Greentree Fever bad this year.

 

[frostycane]

After watching that USF film, I think RW has plenty of skills to lead this team. He is that type of guys who hits receivers in stride so they can do work, and we have plenty that can do work. Especially, if he starts hitting some TE seam routes or some Duke out of the backfield. Anytime Duke is in the open field its a big gain waiting to happen and I think Coley will be the same way. Now, when you have two guys like that its very dangerous.

Defensively, I think TH3 is going to become one of those guys that relishes the games because he doesn't have to face our guys! We know TH3 can play so I don't worry about the apparent jersey demotion. I think Burns got into black because the kid can hit, and I believe has a couple picks in the videos. So he is obviously playing well. I think our LB's are going to be nasty this year. Those boys like to hit, are big, and generally pretty quick in short areas. Somewhat of a liability in coverage but will be good against the run. As for DC, I see him splitting time with Carter at SS and Deon and Jenkins splitting time at FS. And then maybe Deon as the nickel guy, or possibly Burns when Gunter is around. I think Gunter is going to have his work cut out for him when he does get back. Same goes for Jenkins, those two better be putting in that work while they are down or they might not see their spots again...... Like the old days, guys dont wanna get hurt cause they know the guy waiting is ready to GO!!!!!!!

 

[MetiSkeemz]

I lost traxk of how many times people here said "wow! Look at that cannon!" From morris only to shortly complain about 3rd and long and not converting. Here's the bottom line IMO Al Golden is a really humble and fair guy who wants everyone to have a legitimate shot at the next level. He will not bench a 5th year senior QB who we haven't seen since his freshman year for a possibly talented sophomore. That is all.

 

[Fountain of Canes]

I was at the USF game and that was the best the team played all year. we were physical, playing like dogs, fast, just clicking on all cylinders. it was awesome to watch. game was over in the 1st just like the old days. I was with alot our Fans and everyone was impressed by the way Williams took command of the Huddle and game. he did not look like a Back up. I thought he should have became the starter after that game. but Morris wanted to be super hero and still play.

We have a good QB in Williams and im happy to say that. I also watched the Dorsey clip. Dorsey had a timing down with all the recievers and you can tell that he knew where they were going to be at all times, as soon as the he hiked the ball. i'm hoping Williams puts in that same work with our receivers. I dont know if he a fiery competitor, someone who stays after practice with his recievers or call his recievers up for practice. i dont think he is that guy

but Bradd Kayaa will be our next Dorsey. by him already telling coaches about players, going on twitter and following new commits as well as trying to get commits here. he used his on money to come to our Bowl Game across the country which shows you, he is ready to take over this team and lead us to the national championship. if we get Ridley and Coley on the same field, its going to be deadly.

 

[gfer1988]

exactly, i think that's perfect ball placement. some of posters just make me scratch my head

@MiamiHurricanes: Stacy Coley gets behind Tracy Howard on a Ryan Williams deep ball pic.twitter.com/5EK7paL8vw

What scares me about that pic is that is called a "deep ball" when it is a pass 20-25 yards downfield.
Floater after floater from RW no matter the distance of the throw.

So from that pic you can tell that's a floater? Looks like it's right on target to me

 

[frostycane]

exactly, i think that's perfect ball placement. some of posters just make me scratch my head

@MiamiHurricanes: Stacy Coley gets behind Tracy Howard on a Ryan Williams deep ball pic.twitter.com/5EK7paL8vw

What scares me about that pic is that is called a "deep ball" when it is a pass 20-25 yards downfield.
Floater after floater from RW no matter the distance of the throw.

So from that pic you can tell that's a floater? Looks like it's right on target to me

You know what it looks like to me???? A completion! And I like those!!!!!!

 

[jwayne]

RW, if he gives us 2500 yrds passing, 20-25TDs 10 TOs, and a 60-65% completion range, I'm happy. I don't need him getting into shoot outs, or putting up 400yrds per game. Give me redzone and third down efficiency w/ game management skills and I'm straight.

Those are Dorsey numbers. In the 2001 season he threw for 2652 yards, 23 TDs, 9 INTs at a 58% completion percentage.

 

[Boarcane]

i'll wait until after Louisville to determine RW's ability and this defense. I'm cautiously optimistic, but not in a rush to judge.

 

[gogeta4]

have watched Ryan since American Heritage.

Arm strength never a plus, he throws floaters foreal. Think he will suffer with pressure (Most qbs) but he isnt that mobile, and kind of use to just heave it.
Pluses is he as experience, and has better touch than Morris. He knows his limitations so he will look intermediate first at all times, my man Morris left so much yards on the field trying to hit big plays or just having his 1st option always being that deep route.

I think the offense could be alright with Williams because of the type of wr's we have paired with him. Coley is a threat to house everything. It was a crime what Coley did to Duke in the passing game, he is a mismatch EVERY game and shold hae 4 catches a game at minimum..2 screens..2 check downs...how f'n hard was that last yr Coley?. Waters is a threat in the short passing game as well, and we have TES that are matchup size problems in Walford, Sandlan, and Mannish Standish.

I dont expect him to come out firing gainst Louisville but I dont think the offense will be a problem this yr with Williams under the center. With the talent around he's good to win some games imo.

 

[rudebuddha]

May ALL our QBs until the end of time turn into STEVE WALSH!

To this day, still my favorite UM QB. You take away the Cleveland Gary BS call and homeboy wins two championships back to back.

Walsh and Dorsey are living proof you don't need a gun to be a great COLLEGE QB. If Williams fails...it won't be because of his arm. It's adequate.

Walsh, Dorsey and Kosar were exceptional qb's, and they all had above average arms.
Except Kosar, he had a very average arm.

All three of those qb's would rifle it when they had to, but they all had extraordinary timing, anticipation, leadership skills, and football IQ.
Same with Drew Brees when he was at Purdue and Montana at Notre Dame.

I don't think it's being critical, but stating the obvious, when I say that if RW exhibited the same intangible traits as those qb's, he would have been the best qb in college football the past couple years instead of a backup who lost his job at Memphis.

Walsh is debateable....but even then I remember during his time with the Saints his arm was always looked upon as a weakness.

Dorsey I straight up disagree with you on. He had, on his best day, an average arm. What he had was elite anticipation and football IQ.

Exactly, Dorsey's lack of arm strength is why he never made it in the pros. When the passing windows became smaller he didn't have enough on the ball to make the throws he made in college.

I wasn't talking about pro arms.
I was saying they had above average arms for college qb's.
As for Walsh's pro career. You don't get drafted in the first round, albeit in the supplemental draft, solely on smarts and familiarity with JJ.
Dorsey was in the league for something like 5 years. Sure he wasn't a full time starter, but he was one of the best 64 qb's in the world for 5 years.

People may think he Dorsey never made it because he wasn't a star, but 5 years in the league is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[rudebuddha]

exactly, i think that's perfect ball placement. some of posters just make me scratch my head

@MiamiHurricanes: Stacy Coley gets behind Tracy Howard on a Ryan Williams deep ball pic.twitter.com/5EK7paL8vw

What scares me about that pic is that is called a "deep ball" when it is a pass 20-25 yards downfield.
Floater after floater from RW no matter the distance of the throw.

So from that pic you can tell that's a floater? Looks like it's right on target to me

You know what it looks like to me???? A completion! And I like those!!!!!!

You guys should look at the picture objectively.

Right on line? A completion? Just like the poster who said Coley toasted the db when they are not even a foot apart.

The pass is barely halfway there. Where it ends up nobody on this board knows. It could be right on line. It could be 10 yards short or deep.
You can't tell.

What you can tell is that the ball looks to be way up there, Coley looks to be on the 30 with the qb somewhere around the 10-15 yard line, and that Coley's head is turned and looking up as if he's expecting/waiting on this ball that is way up there.

Make your own suppositions. Those are just facts from the picture

 

[OldhamA]

At the end of the day all of this Williams/Olsen discussion is pointless if the D hasn't improved out of sight.

 

[Canes2082]

exactly, i think that's perfect ball placement. some of posters just make me scratch my head

What scares me about that pic is that is called a "deep ball" when it is a pass 20-25 yards downfield.
Floater after floater from RW no matter the distance of the throw.

So from that pic you can tell that's a floater? Looks like it's right on target to me

You know what it looks like to me???? A completion! And I like those!!!!!!

You guys should look at the picture objectively.

Right on line? A completion? Just like the poster who said Coley toasted the db when they are not even a foot apart.

The pass is barely halfway there. Where it ends up nobody on this board knows. It could be right on line. It could be 10 yards short or deep.
You can't tell.

What you can tell is that the ball looks to be way up there, Coley looks to be on the 30 with the qb somewhere around the 10-15 yard line, and that Coley's head is turned and looking up as if he's expecting/waiting on this ball that is way up there.

Make your own suppositions. Those are just facts from the picture

We don't know the play called or where they wanted this throw to be. What we do know and agree on is Coley had multiple steps on the DB and the ball is still in the air.

At the end of the day it's 1 picture and none of us specialize in picture analysis. Unless Buddha does? J/k buddhA