Tuesday Practice

[baronblank22]

Andre Johnson was pretty good

 

[rudebuddha]

People are overreacting to the arm strength. His arm strength is plenty as long as he throws spirals, is efficient and manages the game well. I know ideally you want a Stephen Morris arm with a Ken Dorsey brain, but they can't all be like that. I'd rather have an efficient guy who can throw 20-30 yard darts consistentyl than a guy who can throw 70 yard bombs but can't manage an intermediate game.

I'd take that to, if they were 20-30 yard darts, but they aren't.
I've never seen RW throw a dart.

RW has his strengths.
He seems to be mature, knows the play book, plays within himself, is relatively accurate in practice.

I will give you an analogy. AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers and Jimmy Gaines were all mature and smart players. They all knew the play book. They were all senior leaders and didn't make many mental errors.

Again, I'm hoping RW becomes Steve Walsh, but for the team's sake and for the future health of his receivers, he needs to start actually throwing some darts.
Those floaters may get there in practice, but games are not practice. In real games those floaters are going to get picked off or batted away, and our wr's are going to get their chests caved in from safeties and linebackers who will have that extra time to close, because the passes aren't close to being lasers.

May ALL our QBs until the end of time turn into STEVE WALSH!

To this day, still my favorite UM QB. You take away the Cleveland Gary BS call and homeboy wins two championships back to back.

Walsh and Dorsey are living proof you don't need a gun to be a great COLLEGE QB. If Williams fails...it won't be because of his arm. It's adequate.

****ing tebow proved that...

Timmy Teabag actually has a pretty strong arm. He just winds up to throw it like he's throwing a javelin at a track meet.

RW's arm strength is not the issue. It's adequate.

It's the way he throws the balls.
Granted we've only seen practice clips, some garbage time in blowouts last year, and a deer in the headlights series the year before, but he just seems to try to guide the ball to the receiver, which is why the passes seem to hang in the air.

Even he says that he has to throw early to get the ball there on time. I'd like to see him rifle the ball there with confidence, instead of floating it out there.

Everybody says, "who cares, as long as it gets there."

Again practice is not the same as game time. All those one on ones never involve a safety breaking over the top, or a defensive lineman roaring in to crush some ribs.
If he guides the ball in practice, what happens when it's not a perfect pocket, guys are flying towards him, and linebackers drop into underneath zones, with safeties covering over the top?

What happens when he can't step into a pass in rhythm and instead has to to slide and throw off his back foot?

As a fan, this is my major concern this year.
I think the defense is going to make huge strides, and everything I've seen in the spring confirms that.
The O line looks solid. The wide receivers and ends look very good to great to spectacular.

And we should have a healthy Duke and Yearby.

I've never seen a non run oriented college team become elite without at least good qb play.

Which makes me think we will be a team that runs the ball 50 times a game and play action passes 20 times this year.

I'd take 50 rushes for 250-300 yards a game and the qb going 14-20 for 150 yards, and be a happy 10-2 or better.

 

[am1640]

#TeamKevinOlsen

this, olsen has all the tools to be a great college QB, gotta work on his decision making, saw during the scrimmage him staring down receivers, and he tends to take way too many chances

so you want more of the same type of qb play we had last season? Good grief.

thats just my assessment of olsen, but those problems i listed are things you expect from a RS Fr QB, i rather have him out there than williams, and williams isnt making the right decisions out there either, so you gotta go with who has the more talent

why should you have to expect poor decisions and questionable throws from a qb who is in his second year in the program. There are plenty of second year players that have shown that you don't have to accept that from the qb pos. Who give a **** about how hard a qb can throw the ball, qb that is accurate, can convert 3rd downs, and not turn over the ball is more important. Who cares if it take 12 completions a drive to get points.

At this time Williams is the better qb and it's not just the coaches that think so. Trust that!

 

[rudebuddha]

@MiamiHurricanes: Stacy Coley gets behind Tracy Howard on a Ryan Williams deep ball pic.twitter.com/5EK7paL8vw

What scares me about that pic is that is called a "deep ball" when it is a pass 20-25 yards downfield.
Floater after floater from RW no matter the distance of the throw.

So from that pic you can tell that's a floater? Looks like it's right on target to me

How can you tell if it's on target? It's 30 feet in the air. Coley is 20-25 yards from the qb and the ball is 10 yards in the air, hopefully at its highest point. If it's on a downward trajectory that would mean it was maybe 15 yards in height.

Lol so it's 30 feet in the air...now 10 feet but then back to 15ft???

You do know there's a difference between feet and yards?

 

[cane since birth]

All this talk about his arm strength and limited knowledge of it; wasn't he the starter at Memphis for several games? There has to be footage to review from that.

ive seen him throw and his arm strength isnt bad but it aint good, he cant really sling the ball between defenders if he needed to

Yea he can you guys are way to worried about his arm strength

im just going by what i have seen in the practices this spring, his arm strength is meh, and his decision making these last few practices plus the scrimmage wasnt that good, and for someone who doesnt have the best arm he needs to make the right decisions and be accurate

 

[bobbydigius]

@mattyports: Earl Moore the first #Canes DT this spring to earn a black jersey. Alex Figueroa, Tracy Howard lose their black shirts.


Matt Porter ‏@mattyports · 22m
New in black, besides Moore: Jermaine Grace, Dallas Crawford, Artie Burns. Perryman, Kirby still in black.

DALLAS CRAWFORD?!? Taking spots...

Once again it's spring, don't take any stock into that whatsoever.

On the whole Williams thing, are people really complaining about arm strength after what we went through last year? Can't wait for that first 3 and 6 as Williams floats one in to a TE in stride and in the middle of the field. Instead of a bullet that gets deflected straight up in the air for an easy INT. I'm not sold on Williams a hundred percent at all, but I don't think some realize how much Morris handcuffed us last year. It was completely exposed once we lost our main weapon on the ground in Duke.

 

[cowboycane]

What scares me about that pic is that is called a "deep ball" when it is a pass 20-25 yards downfield.
Floater after floater from RW no matter the distance of the throw.

So from that pic you can tell that's a floater? Looks like it's right on target to me

How can you tell if it's on target? It's 30 feet in the air. Coley is 20-25 yards from the qb and the ball is 10 yards in the air, hopefully at its highest point. If it's on a downward trajectory that would mean it was maybe 15 yards in height.

Lol so it's 30 feet in the air...now 10 feet but then back to 15ft???

You do know there's a difference between feet and yards?

And we have a new contender for "Worst sub-thread of the year".

 

[Pecos The Diver]

Man, this site has gone to pure ****.

 

[Geo305]

@mattyports: Earl Moore the first #Canes DT this spring to earn a black jersey. Alex Figueroa, Tracy Howard lose their black shirts.


Matt Porter ‏@mattyports · 22m
New in black, besides Moore: Jermaine Grace, Dallas Crawford, Artie Burns. Perryman, Kirby still in black.

DALLAS CRAWFORD?!? Taking spots...

dallas during the scrimmage was busting heads in, he only messed up once and that was a goal line TD run

Carter injured. Hence, Crawford in black jersey. But Crawford did play very well too. Gonna be interesting to see who plays next to Deon. My pick is Carter. But Crawford could make a very good case.

Also. Howard and Figs out of the black jerseys due to disciplinary and motivational purposes. Gives good practice though to Artie and Grace. I expect Howard and Figatron back in black jerseys soon. What I really want to see is, Artie challenge and get the black jersey legit on the opposite side of Howard.

 

[Rellyrell]

RW, if he gives us 2500 yrds passing, 20-25TDs 10 TOs, and a 60-65% completion range, I'm happy. I don't need him getting into shoot outs, or putting up 400yrds per game. Give me redzone and third down efficiency w/ game management skills and I'm straight.

 

[rudebuddha]

RW, if he gives us 2500 yrds passing, 20-25TDs 10 TOs, and a 60-65% completion range, I'm happy. I don't need him getting into shoot outs, or putting up 400yrds per game. Give me redzone and third down efficiency w/ game management skills and I'm straight.

You don't think good defensive coordinators can figure that out?

 

[sgonzalez12124]

RW has decent arm strength. From what I remember against USF RW hit Herb Waters and Dorsett down the field on deep throws nicely. He has pretty good touch. What concerns me is 3rd down efficiency and how he faces the blitz. We were 35% last year on 3rd down, not gonna cut it. Williams has to consistently hit his 3rd & 7 throws and stay poised and make the right reads facing pressure. If he does that then i see a 10+ win season for the hurricanes this season.

GO Canes!

 

[#26-MEAST]

This rudebuddha cat is hilarious. Are you really guessing how many feet the ball is in the air? GOH

 

[Dingaan1828]

Steve Walsh had a noodle arm. But, he more than compensated for it with everything else. He even had some success in the NFL, where opposing DCs eat up guys with weak arms.

 

[cane since birth]

@mattyports: Earl Moore the first #Canes DT this spring to earn a black jersey. Alex Figueroa, Tracy Howard lose their black shirts.


Matt Porter ‏@mattyports · 22m
New in black, besides Moore: Jermaine Grace, Dallas Crawford, Artie Burns. Perryman, Kirby still in black.

DALLAS CRAWFORD?!? Taking spots...

dallas during the scrimmage was busting heads in, he only messed up once and that was a goal line TD run

Carter injured. Hence, Crawford in black jersey. But Crawford did play very well too. Gonna be interesting to see who plays next to Deon. My pick is Carter. But Crawford could make a very good case.

Also. Howard and Figs out of the black jerseys due to disciplinary and motivational purposes. Gives good practice though to Artie and Grace. I expect Howard and Figatron back in black jerseys soon. What I really want to see is, Artie challenge and get the black jersey legit on the opposite side of Howard.

good **** forgot about carters injury

 

[BWCD]

He's not going to be rifling the ball into tight windows, and we are going to be a ball control offense.

Nothing wrong with that, especially when we will have Duke, Yearby and Gus.

This is all that rudebuddha SHOULD have said. The rest is all gibberish and grasping.

You want to know how Williams might be? Go watch some of the USF game from this past year. Don't bother with Savannah State. USF sucks, but at least they're a BCS conference team. They had some talent here and there on the defensive side of the football, too.

[video=youtube;fETtVD2ue1w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fETtVD2ue1w[/video]

Look at about 3:08. Williams just dumps the ball down to Coley, who turns a 6-7 yard pass into a 30+ yard gain. THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO. Combine that with running the football effectively, and keeping turnovers to a minimum, it ought to make us a tough team to beat as long as the D improves.

Coley made one helluva catch at 4:58 for a TD, that sticks out in my mind as one of the nicest plays of the past year. But, Williams did well on that play too. Playaction, didn't have his primary read, kept the play alive with his feet/eyes downfield, and though I think his throw was meant for Walford in the back of the endzone...he gave his playmaker (Coley) a chance to make a play. It's a debatable decision to throw it there in a tight space...but the one place he threw it had only 3 outcomes: Coley makes a crazy play to catch it...it gets thru to Walford in the back of the endzone...or it falls incomplete and you live to fight another down. That's what you're going to get out of Williams...accuracy and low-risk throws.

However, he hit a few deep balls in that video as well if you watch the whole thing. He hit Waters twice on long ones, and they didn't look like "floaters" to me. They weren't Morris' 60-yard lasers, but they got the job done. And at the end of the day--that's what matters.

 

[Canes2082]

What scares me about that pic is that is called a "deep ball" when it is a pass 20-25 yards downfield.
Floater after floater from RW no matter the distance of the throw.

So from that pic you can tell that's a floater? Looks like it's right on target to me

How can you tell if it's on target? It's 30 feet in the air. Coley is 20-25 yards from the qb and the ball is 10 yards in the air, hopefully at its highest point. If it's on a downward trajectory that would mean it was maybe 15 yards in height.

Lol so it's 30 feet in the air...now 10 feet but then back to 15ft???

You do know there's a difference between feet and yards?

Yes I'm fully aware of it....but if you want to be right then I'll say ok your right and let it be

 

[Canes2082]

He's not going to be rifling the ball into tight windows, and we are going to be a ball control offense.

Nothing wrong with that, especially when we will have Duke, Yearby and Gus.

This is all that rudebuddha SHOULD have said. The rest is all gibberish and grasping.

You want to know how Williams might be? Go watch some of the USF game from this past year. Don't bother with Savannah State. USF sucks, but at least they're a BCS conference team. They had some talent here and there on the defensive side of the football, too.

[video=youtube;fETtVD2ue1w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fETtVD2ue1w[/video]

Look at about 3:08. Williams just dumps the ball down to Coley, who turns a 6-7 yard pass into a 30+ yard gain. THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO. Combine that with running the football effectively, and keeping turnovers to a minimum, it ought to make us a tough team to beat as long as the D improves.

Coley made one helluva catch at 4:58 for a TD, that sticks out in my mind as one of the nicest plays of the past year. But, Williams did well on that play too. Playaction, didn't have his primary read, kept the play alive with his feet/eyes downfield, and though I think his throw was meant for Walford in the back of the endzone...he gave his playmaker (Coley) a chance to make a play. It's a debatable decision to throw it there in a tight space...but the one place he threw it had only 3 outcomes: Coley makes a crazy play to catch it...it gets thru to Walford in the back of the endzone...or it falls incomplete and you live to fight another down. That's what you're going to get out of Williams...accuracy and low-risk throws.

However, he hit a few deep balls in that video as well if you watch the whole thing. He hit Waters twice on long ones, and they didn't look like "floaters" to me. They weren't Morris' 60-yard lasers, but they got the job done. And at the end of the day--that's what matters.

Bingo! Game set match BWCD

Also RW can throw the "touch passes" something we seem to miss on a lot

 

[Pecos The Diver]

He's not going to be rifling the ball into tight windows, and we are going to be a ball control offense.

Nothing wrong with that, especially when we will have Duke, Yearby and Gus.

This is all that rudebuddha SHOULD have said. The rest is all gibberish and grasping.

You want to know how Williams might be? Go watch some of the USF game from this past year. Don't bother with Savannah State. USF sucks, but at least they're a BCS conference team. They had some talent here and there on the defensive side of the football, too.

[video=youtube;fETtVD2ue1w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fETtVD2ue1w[/video]

Look at about 3:08. Williams just dumps the ball down to Coley, who turns a 6-7 yard pass into a 30+ yard gain. THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO. Combine that with running the football effectively, and keeping turnovers to a minimum, it ought to make us a tough team to beat as long as the D improves.

Coley made one helluva catch at 4:58 for a TD, that sticks out in my mind as one of the nicest plays of the past year. But, Williams did well on that play too. Playaction, didn't have his primary read, kept the play alive with his feet/eyes downfield, and though I think his throw was meant for Walford in the back of the endzone...he gave his playmaker (Coley) a chance to make a play. It's a debatable decision to throw it there in a tight space...but the one place he threw it had only 3 outcomes: Coley makes a crazy play to catch it...it gets thru to Walford in the back of the endzone...or it falls incomplete and you live to fight another down. That's what you're going to get out of Williams...accuracy and low-risk throws.

However, he hit a few deep balls in that video as well if you watch the whole thing. He hit Waters twice on long ones, and they didn't look like "floaters" to me. They weren't Morris' 60-yard lasers, but they got the job done. And at the end of the day--that's what matters.

Ereck Flowers is ******* awesome.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

People are overreacting to the arm strength. His arm strength is plenty as long as he throws spirals, is efficient and manages the game well. I know ideally you want a Stephen Morris arm with a Ken Dorsey brain, but they can't all be like that. I'd rather have an efficient guy who can throw 20-30 yard darts consistentyl than a guy who can throw 70 yard bombs but can't manage an intermediate game.

I'd take that to, if they were 20-30 yard darts, but they aren't.
I've never seen RW throw a dart.

RW has his strengths.
He seems to be mature, knows the play book, plays within himself, is relatively accurate in practice.

I will give you an analogy. AJ Highsmith, Kacy Rodgers and Jimmy Gaines were all mature and smart players. They all knew the play book. They were all senior leaders and didn't make many mental errors.

Again, I'm hoping RW becomes Steve Walsh, but for the team's sake and for the future health of his receivers, he needs to start actually throwing some darts.
Those floaters may get there in practice, but games are not practice. In real games those floaters are going to get picked off or batted away, and our wr's are going to get their chests caved in from safeties and linebackers who will have that extra time to close, because the passes aren't close to being lasers.

May ALL our QBs until the end of time turn into STEVE WALSH!

To this day, still my favorite UM QB. You take away the Cleveland Gary BS call and homeboy wins two championships back to back.

Walsh and Dorsey are living proof you don't need a gun to be a great COLLEGE QB. If Williams fails...it won't be because of his arm. It's adequate.

Walsh, Dorsey and Kosar were exceptional qb's, and they all had above average arms.
Except Kosar, he had a very average arm.

All three of those qb's would rifle it when they had to, but they all had extraordinary timing, anticipation, leadership skills, and football IQ.
Same with Drew Brees when he was at Purdue and Montana at Notre Dame.

I don't think it's being critical, but stating the obvious, when I say that if RW exhibited the same intangible traits as those qb's, he would have been the best qb in college football the past couple years instead of a backup who lost his job at Memphis.

Walsh is debateable....but even then I remember during his time with the Saints his arm was always looked upon as a weakness.

Dorsey I straight up disagree with you on. He had, on his best day, an average arm. What he had was elite anticipation and football IQ.