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Tracking the 23 Class: Where Are They Now?

Udynasty said:
Miami's class if 23 was a top 7 class nation wide. After two years we are starting to see who is emerging / who never panned out / who are the stars / and who left..


Portal

Antonio Tripp

Jayden Wayne

Collins Acheampong

Chris Johnson

Kaleb Spencer

Marcellius Pulliam

Demitrius Freeny


Non - Factors

*Subject to change based on junior year results

Robert Stafford

Jackson Carver

Frankie Tinilau

Tommy Kinsler

Robby Washington

Bobby Washington


Josh Horton

Shemar Kirk ( portal soon come)


Some Production

Riley Williams

Samson Okunlola

Ray Ray Joseph

Malik Bryant


Contributors and Star Players

Francis Mauigoa (⭐️)

Reuben Bain (⭐️)

Damari Brown ( contributor but need a full season to better measure)

Emory Williams ( contributor)

Raul Aguirre ( Contributor)

Dylan Joyce ( contributor)

Mark Fletcher ( Contributor borderline ⭐️)


thoughts?

I am a bit concerned about the hit rate/ developmental rate. We might see more hit the portal too.
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I keep telling you all, Mario has done nothing here to warrant this blind loyalty. This "elite" recruiter has basically done what Diaz, Richt and Golden did. His "hit" rate is trash.
 
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Isn't this the case for most teams though? Outside of say your top 5 teams. Even then, they still have mass exodus.

Inflows and outflows.
 
Rellyrell said:
Shiiiiiit; why stop at the class of 2023? Let’s see where 2 of the first 4 of the classes recruited here are at:

2022:
C. Moss 4* (#8 DE in the Nation) - Portal
N. Kelly 4* (#14 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
J. Skinner 4* (#3 TE in the Nation) - Portal to UL
T. Citizen 4* (#9 RB in the Nation) - Portal to McNeese
K. Rogers 4* (#15 CB in the Nation) - Portal to Miss St
C. Graves 4* (#7 ATH in the Nation) - Portal to Ole Miss
W. Bissainthe 4* (#18 LB in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Brown 4* (#17 QB in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
M. Williams 4* (#26 S in the Nation) - limited PT
I. Horton 4* (#56 WR in the Nation) - Solid WR3
J. Harris 3* (#51 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Moten 3* (#80 DL in the Nation) - Rotational Piece
M. McCoy 3* (#62 OT in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Cooper 3* (#109 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
C. Young 3* (#7 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Portal to UGA

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
D. Jackson 3* TR - Portal to FSU
H. Parrish 3* TR - Portal to Ole Miss
A. Messidor 4* TR - ⭐️
L. Sagapolu 3* TR - Portal to UW
F. Ladson 3* TR - Portal to UMass
D. Porter 3* TR - Solid CB
J. Denis 3* TR - Portal to Central Missouri
J. Lichtenstein 3* TR - No Comment

5/23 = 21.7% hit rate as of 12/06/24

2023:
F. Mauigoa 5* (#2 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
S. Okunlola 5* (#4 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
R. Bain 4* (#11 DE in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Wayne 4* (#13 DE in the Nation) - Portal to UW
R. Williams 4* (#4 TE in the Nation) - Promising
R. Joseph 4* (#24 WR in the Nation) - No Comment
M. Fletcher 4* (#7 RB in the Nation) - ⭐️
R. Stafford 4* (#17 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
C. Acheampong 4* (#23 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCLA
M. Bryant 4* (#16 LB in the Nation) - Promising
R. Aguirre 4* (#20 LB in the Nation) - Promising
D. Brown 4* (#21 CB in the Nation) - Solid Depth Piece
R. Washington 4* (#28 WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
C. Johnson 4* (#17 RB in the Nation) - Portal
B. Washington 4* (#37 LB in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Horton 4* (#50 DL in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
T. Kinsler 3* (#49 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Carver 3* (#30 TE in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
S. Kirk 3* (#3 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
A. Tripp 3* (#60 OT in the Nation) - Portal
E. Williams 3* (#34 QB in the Nation) - WILL NEVER START
K. Spencer 3* (#58 S in the Nation) - Portal to VT
M. Pulliam 3* (#64 LB in the Nation) - Portal to MSU
F. Tinilau 3* (#83 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
Dylan Joyce (NA) - Starting P
D. Freeney (NA JUCO CB) - Portal to Arizona

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
J. Burroughs 3* TR - Portal
L. Cristobal 3* TR - No Comment
A. Campbell 3* TR - No Comment
J. Richard 3* TR - Injured so No Comment
D. Brown 4* TR - Portal to FSU
T. Gore 3* TR - Portal to GT
F. Mauigoa 4* TR - Inconsistent ‘24, but ⭐️
T. Roberts 3* TR - Portal to MSU
C. McCormick 3* TR - Solid Rotational Piece
A. Allen 3* TR - Solid RB3/4

11/36= 30.6% hit rate as of 12/06/24

So between the classes of 2022 & 2023, which are supposed to be our upperclassmen leaders for the 2025-26 season, Mario’s HS & Portal evals are hitting at a 26.2 hit rate, which is on par with the data I provided in the “Mario Recruiter” thread during his time at UO.

He’s a 1/4 success rate w/ a 3/4 attrition/non-impact rate. I expect more portal casualties which will skew these numbers further. It’s also why for the 1st time since I started following recruiting, I was very numb b/c so far, we’re not stacking classes, we’re bleeding them.
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God darn @Rellyrell I’m already sick about this season. This is just painful to read. Yuck lol but thanks for keeping it a buck
 
People that are trying to discredit this class need to think about how the portal has affected nearly every team. There’s always going to be players that portal out & not pan out for every top team. With roughly 44 players total as a first or second string player that will leave a bunch of players on a 105 man roster to either not pan out or transfer due to playing time.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Shiiiiiit; why stop at the class of 2023? Let’s see where 2 of the first 4 of the classes recruited here are at:

2022:
C. Moss 4* (#8 DE in the Nation) - Portal
N. Kelly 4* (#14 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
J. Skinner 4* (#3 TE in the Nation) - Portal to UL
T. Citizen 4* (#9 RB in the Nation) - Portal to McNeese
K. Rogers 4* (#15 CB in the Nation) - Portal to Miss St
C. Graves 4* (#7 ATH in the Nation) - Portal to Ole Miss
W. Bissainthe 4* (#18 LB in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Brown 4* (#17 QB in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
M. Williams 4* (#26 S in the Nation) - limited PT
I. Horton 4* (#56 WR in the Nation) - Solid WR3
J. Harris 3* (#51 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Moten 3* (#80 DL in the Nation) - Rotational Piece
M. McCoy 3* (#62 OT in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Cooper 3* (#109 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
C. Young 3* (#7 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Portal to UGA

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
D. Jackson 3* TR - Portal to FSU
H. Parrish 3* TR - Portal to Ole Miss
A. Messidor 4* TR - ⭐️
L. Sagapolu 3* TR - Portal to UW
F. Ladson 3* TR - Portal to UMass
D. Porter 3* TR - Solid CB
J. Denis 3* TR - Portal to Central Missouri
J. Lichtenstein 3* TR - No Comment

5/23 = 21.7% hit rate as of 12/06/24

2023:
F. Mauigoa 5* (#2 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
S. Okunlola 5* (#4 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
R. Bain 4* (#11 DE in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Wayne 4* (#13 DE in the Nation) - Portal to UW
R. Williams 4* (#4 TE in the Nation) - Promising
R. Joseph 4* (#24 WR in the Nation) - No Comment
M. Fletcher 4* (#7 RB in the Nation) - ⭐️
R. Stafford 4* (#17 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
C. Acheampong 4* (#23 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCLA
M. Bryant 4* (#16 LB in the Nation) - Promising
R. Aguirre 4* (#20 LB in the Nation) - Promising
D. Brown 4* (#21 CB in the Nation) - Solid Depth Piece
R. Washington 4* (#28 WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
C. Johnson 4* (#17 RB in the Nation) - Portal
B. Washington 4* (#37 LB in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Horton 4* (#50 DL in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
T. Kinsler 3* (#49 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Carver 3* (#30 TE in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
S. Kirk 3* (#3 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
A. Tripp 3* (#60 OT in the Nation) - Portal
E. Williams 3* (#34 QB in the Nation) - WILL NEVER START
K. Spencer 3* (#58 S in the Nation) - Portal to VT
M. Pulliam 3* (#64 LB in the Nation) - Portal to MSU
F. Tinilau 3* (#83 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
Dylan Joyce (NA) - Starting P
D. Freeney (NA JUCO CB) - Portal to Arizona

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
J. Burroughs 3* TR - Portal
L. Cristobal 3* TR - No Comment
A. Campbell 3* TR - No Comment
J. Richard 3* TR - Injured so No Comment
D. Brown 4* TR - Portal to FSU
T. Gore 3* TR - Portal to GT
F. Mauigoa 4* TR - Inconsistent ‘24, but ⭐️
T. Roberts 3* TR - Portal to MSU
C. McCormick 3* TR - Solid Rotational Piece
A. Allen 3* TR - Solid RB3/4

11/36= 30.6% hit rate as of 12/06/24

So between the classes of 2022 & 2023, which are supposed to be our upperclassmen leaders for the 2025-26 season, Mario’s HS & Portal evals are hitting at a 26.2 hit rate, which is on par with the data I provided in the “Mario Recruiter” thread during his time at UO.

He’s a 1/4 success rate w/ a 3/4 attrition/non-impact rate. I expect more portal casualties which will skew these numbers further. It’s also why for the 1st time since I started following recruiting, I was very numb b/c so far, we’re not stacking classes, we’re bleeding them.
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I know you’re trying hard to push a narrative…..

But including the class he signed after being here a month is just ridiculous.

Recruiting is a 2 years process! Sometimes longer.

And nobody will respond to the post of the Bama class……because if you look at every top 10 class from 2023 you will see almost the same thing. Even the so called elite developers….but I get it Mario has to be crucified while other coaches get a pass 👍
 
The question becomes, can all of those guys you highlighted as “bench warmers” develop into solid contributors.

We need one more year of data before we’ll know, since most of the “bench warmers” are underclassmen.
 
What’s the “hit rate” for other coaches? I’m curious. I’ve always felt that recruiting was as much about quantity as quality because it seems like even the best programs miss on a ton of blue chip kids. I mean Florida State built their roster this year on former 4 and 5 star kids that originally signed with Bama or UGA and for the most part, those guys are bums.
 
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AtrainCane said:
I know you’re trying hard to push a narrative…..

But including the class he signed after being here a month is just ridiculous.

Recruiting is a 2 years process! Sometimes longer.

And nobody will respond to the post of the Bama class……because if you look at every top 10 class from 2023 you will see almost the same thing. Even the so called elite developers….but I get it Mario has to be crucified while other coaches get a pass 👍
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There’s no narrative that needs to be pushed, but u can cape while u cope.
 
AtrainCane said:
Recruiting is a 2 years process! Sometimes longer.
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Even this guy made it to the playoff by Year 3

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But but but HARBAUGH
 
P-Tizzle said:
Here’s Bama’s from 2023 and they had #1 class.

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Contributors/stars:

-Proctor
-Adams (main kick returner and solid slot guy before injury this year
-Hale last year before broken leg in fall
-Hubbard surprise late season starter and very good evaluation
-Formby (part time starter: still developing)
-Jefferson (excelllent backup and part time starter graduating)
-Renaud (slowly becoming one of their best dl)
-Russaw (part time starter lots of promise)
-Pierre (raw but showed a lot of early promise)
-Haynes (needs more touches but just been so so)
-Young (might need more touches than Haynes)
 
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Rellyrell said:
Shiiiiiit; why stop at the class of 2023? Let’s see where 2 of the first 4 of the classes recruited here are at:

2022:
C. Moss 4* (#8 DE in the Nation) - Portal
N. Kelly 4* (#14 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
J. Skinner 4* (#3 TE in the Nation) - Portal to UL
T. Citizen 4* (#9 RB in the Nation) - Portal to McNeese
K. Rogers 4* (#15 CB in the Nation) - Portal to Miss St
C. Graves 4* (#7 ATH in the Nation) - Portal to Ole Miss
W. Bissainthe 4* (#18 LB in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Brown 4* (#17 QB in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
M. Williams 4* (#26 S in the Nation) - limited PT
I. Horton 4* (#56 WR in the Nation) - Solid WR3
J. Harris 3* (#51 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Moten 3* (#80 DL in the Nation) - Rotational Piece
M. McCoy 3* (#62 OT in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Cooper 3* (#109 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
C. Young 3* (#7 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Portal to UGA

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
D. Jackson 3* TR - Portal to FSU
H. Parrish 3* TR - Portal to Ole Miss
A. Messidor 4* TR - ⭐️
L. Sagapolu 3* TR - Portal to UW
F. Ladson 3* TR - Portal to UMass
D. Porter 3* TR - Solid CB
J. Denis 3* TR - Portal to Central Missouri
J. Lichtenstein 3* TR - No Comment

5/23 = 21.7% hit rate as of 12/06/24

2023:
F. Mauigoa 5* (#2 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
S. Okunlola 5* (#4 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
R. Bain 4* (#11 DE in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Wayne 4* (#13 DE in the Nation) - Portal to UW
R. Williams 4* (#4 TE in the Nation) - Promising
R. Joseph 4* (#24 WR in the Nation) - No Comment
M. Fletcher 4* (#7 RB in the Nation) - ⭐️
R. Stafford 4* (#17 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
C. Acheampong 4* (#23 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCLA
M. Bryant 4* (#16 LB in the Nation) - Promising
R. Aguirre 4* (#20 LB in the Nation) - Promising
D. Brown 4* (#21 CB in the Nation) - Solid Depth Piece
R. Washington 4* (#28 WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
C. Johnson 4* (#17 RB in the Nation) - Portal
B. Washington 4* (#37 LB in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Horton 4* (#50 DL in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
T. Kinsler 3* (#49 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Carver 3* (#30 TE in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
S. Kirk 3* (#3 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
A. Tripp 3* (#60 OT in the Nation) - Portal
E. Williams 3* (#34 QB in the Nation) - WILL NEVER START
K. Spencer 3* (#58 S in the Nation) - Portal to VT
M. Pulliam 3* (#64 LB in the Nation) - Portal to MSU
F. Tinilau 3* (#83 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
Dylan Joyce (NA) - Starting P
D. Freeney (NA JUCO CB) - Portal to Arizona

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
J. Burroughs 3* TR - Portal
L. Cristobal 3* TR - No Comment
A. Campbell 3* TR - No Comment
J. Richard 3* TR - Injured so No Comment
D. Brown 4* TR - Portal to FSU
T. Gore 3* TR - Portal to GT
F. Mauigoa 4* TR - Inconsistent ‘24, but ⭐️
T. Roberts 3* TR - Portal to MSU
C. McCormick 3* TR - Solid Rotational Piece
A. Allen 3* TR - Solid RB3/4

11/36= 30.6% hit rate as of 12/06/24

So between the classes of 2022 & 2023, which are supposed to be our upperclassmen leaders for the 2025-26 season, Mario’s HS & Portal evals are hitting at a 26.2 hit rate, which is on par with the data I provided in the “Mario Recruiter” thread during his time at UO.

He’s a 1/4 success rate w/ a 3/4 attrition/non-impact rate. I expect more portal casualties which will skew these numbers further. It’s also why for the 1st time since I started following recruiting, I was very numb b/c so far, we’re not stacking classes, we’re bleeding them.
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About a year ago I did a pretty thorough breakdown of the 2022 recruiting class/portal/staff hires results

About half way through I regretted it

The coaching staff might have been the worst part

Butch gets his eval flowers but it wasn’t just players, he could find coaches
 
Udynasty said:
Miami's class if 23 was a top 7 class nation wide. After two years we are starting to see who is emerging / who never panned out / who are the stars / and who left..


Portal

Antonio Tripp

Jayden Wayne

Collins Acheampong

Chris Johnson

Kaleb Spencer

Marcellius Pulliam

Demitrius Freeny


Non - Factors

*Subject to change based on junior year results

Robert Stafford

Jackson Carver

Frankie Tinilau

Tommy Kinsler

Robby Washington

Bobby Washington


Josh Horton

Shemar Kirk ( portal soon come)


Some Production

Riley Williams

Samson Okunlola

Ray Ray Joseph

Malik Bryant


Contributors and Star Players

Francis Mauigoa (⭐️)

Reuben Bain (⭐️)

Damari Brown ( contributor but need a full season to better measure)

Emory Williams ( contributor)

Raul Aguirre ( Contributor)

Dylan Joyce ( contributor)

Mark Fletcher ( Contributor borderline ⭐️)


thoughts?

I am a bit concerned about the hit rate/ developmental rate. We might see more hit the portal too.
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Only 7 player’s remain? This is why we will be going portal heavy again.

I am concerned about the amount of missed, as well. 24’ is our best class and I fear 25’ going to look similar to 23’.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Shiiiiiit; why stop at the class of 2023? Let’s see where 2 of the first 4 of the classes recruited here are at:

2022:
C. Moss 4* (#8 DE in the Nation) - Portal
N. Kelly 4* (#14 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
J. Skinner 4* (#3 TE in the Nation) - Portal to UL
T. Citizen 4* (#9 RB in the Nation) - Portal to McNeese
K. Rogers 4* (#15 CB in the Nation) - Portal to Miss St
C. Graves 4* (#7 ATH in the Nation) - Portal to Ole Miss
W. Bissainthe 4* (#18 LB in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Brown 4* (#17 QB in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
M. Williams 4* (#26 S in the Nation) - limited PT
I. Horton 4* (#56 WR in the Nation) - Solid WR3
J. Harris 3* (#51 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Moten 3* (#80 DL in the Nation) - Rotational Piece
M. McCoy 3* (#62 OT in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Cooper 3* (#109 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
C. Young 3* (#7 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Portal to UGA

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
D. Jackson 3* TR - Portal to FSU
H. Parrish 3* TR - Portal to Ole Miss
A. Messidor 4* TR - ⭐️
L. Sagapolu 3* TR - Portal to UW
F. Ladson 3* TR - Portal to UMass
D. Porter 3* TR - Solid CB
J. Denis 3* TR - Portal to Central Missouri
J. Lichtenstein 3* TR - No Comment

5/23 = 21.7% hit rate as of 12/06/24

2023:
F. Mauigoa 5* (#2 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
S. Okunlola 5* (#4 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
R. Bain 4* (#11 DE in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Wayne 4* (#13 DE in the Nation) - Portal to UW
R. Williams 4* (#4 TE in the Nation) - Promising
R. Joseph 4* (#24 WR in the Nation) - No Comment
M. Fletcher 4* (#7 RB in the Nation) - ⭐️
R. Stafford 4* (#17 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
C. Acheampong 4* (#23 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCLA
M. Bryant 4* (#16 LB in the Nation) - Promising
R. Aguirre 4* (#20 LB in the Nation) - Promising
D. Brown 4* (#21 CB in the Nation) - Solid Depth Piece
R. Washington 4* (#28 WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
C. Johnson 4* (#17 RB in the Nation) - Portal
B. Washington 4* (#37 LB in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Horton 4* (#50 DL in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
T. Kinsler 3* (#49 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Carver 3* (#30 TE in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
S. Kirk 3* (#3 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
A. Tripp 3* (#60 OT in the Nation) - Portal
E. Williams 3* (#34 QB in the Nation) - WILL NEVER START
K. Spencer 3* (#58 S in the Nation) - Portal to VT
M. Pulliam 3* (#64 LB in the Nation) - Portal to MSU
F. Tinilau 3* (#83 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
Dylan Joyce (NA) - Starting P
D. Freeney (NA JUCO CB) - Portal to Arizona

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
J. Burroughs 3* TR - Portal
L. Cristobal 3* TR - No Comment
A. Campbell 3* TR - No Comment
J. Richard 3* TR - Injured so No Comment
D. Brown 4* TR - Portal to FSU
T. Gore 3* TR - Portal to GT
F. Mauigoa 4* TR - Inconsistent ‘24, but ⭐️
T. Roberts 3* TR - Portal to MSU
C. McCormick 3* TR - Solid Rotational Piece
A. Allen 3* TR - Solid RB3/4

11/36= 30.6% hit rate as of 12/06/24

So between the classes of 2022 & 2023, which are supposed to be our upperclassmen leaders for the 2025-26 season, Mario’s HS & Portal evals are hitting at a 26.2 hit rate, which is on par with the data I provided in the “Mario Recruiter” thread during his time at UO.

He’s a 1/4 success rate w/ a 3/4 attrition/non-impact rate. I expect more portal casualties which will skew these numbers further. It’s also why for the 1st time since I started following recruiting, I was very numb b/c so far, we’re not stacking classes, we’re bleeding them.
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DTP said:
What’s the “hit rate” for other coaches? I’m curious. I’ve always felt that recruiting was as much about quantity as quality because it seems like even the best programs miss on a ton of blue chip kids. I mean Florida State built their roster this year on former 4 and 5 star kids that originally signed with Bama or UGA and for the most part, those guys are bums.
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This is exactly where I'm at with this. I just think the hit rate is more apparent with the portal. In the past, those marginal players would have gotten garbage time snaps and been passed by better players. Now they portal out and fans see a terrible loss.
 
HughFreezemyCuckoldYesPlz said:
Contributors/stars:

-Proctor
-Adams (main kick returner and solid slot guy before injury this year
-Hale last year before broken leg in fall
-Hubbard surprise late season starter and very good evaluation
-Formby (part time starter: still developing)
-Jefferson (excelllent backup and part time starter graduating)
-Renaud (slowly becoming one of their best dl)
-Russaw (part time starter lots of promise)
-Pierre (raw but showed a lot of early promise)
-Haynes (needs more touches but just been so so)
-Young (might need more touches than Haynes)
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You’re very generous. Please consider writing my eulogy
 
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