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Tracking the 23 Class: Where Are They Now?

Gi0logy said:
Are you expecting 1,000 yard receivers at the TE position?

He averaged almost 17 snaps a game this year, has 500 total snaps over his first two years, and was key figure in the run game.

He is absolutely a contributor.
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That’s fair. “Run game contributor”. I am hoping we get more out of him outside of being a good blocking TE. Jmo
 
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DMoney said:
He plays a lot of snaps. Mostly as a blocker, but he's been a receiving TE his whole life so that’s not a bad development. I’ve seen him in practice and he’s enormous and coordinated. Not as fast as Arroyo but not slow (as he showed in the VT game).
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well, I’m hoping to see it on the field more bc I do think he can be a pass threat, but he’s limited bc he doesn’t have the athletic ability you need from that pass catching TE. Maybe he’s just not that kind of TE? We’ll see - spring will be key for him.
 
Udynasty said:
Miami's class if 23 was a top 7 class nation wide. After two years we are starting to see who is emerging / who never panned out / who are the stars / and who left..


Portal

Antonio Tripp

Jayden Wayne

Collins Acheampong

Antonio Tripp

Chris Johnson

Kaleb Spencer

Marcellius Pulliam

Demitrius Freeny





Non - Factors

*Subject to change based on junior year results

Robert Stafford

Jackson Carver

Frankie Tinilau

Tommy Kinsler

Robby Washington

Bobby Washington


Josh Horton

Shemar Kirk ( portal soon come)


Some production

Riley Williams

Samson Okunlola

Ray Ray Joseph



Contributors and Star Players

Francis Mauigoa (⭐️)

Reuben Bain (⭐️)

Damari Brown ( contributor but need a full season to better measure)

Emory Williams ( contributor)

Raul Aguirre ( Contributor)

Mark Fletcher ( Contributor borderline ⭐️)


thoughts?

I am a bit concerned about the hit rate/ developmental rate. We might see more hit the portal too.
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You left out Kinsler, Bryant and Joyce. You listed Antonio Tripp twice.
 
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BALLHAWKU said:
Let’s see after this after the n bowl game
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Granted you and I don't have access to practice every day, but is one bowl game where teams are going to play without some starers going to sway you enough to want to make him the starter next year? Even if he does good and Miami wins.
 
TriStarCane said:
what’s the baseline hit rate for a championship contending team?
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Here’s Bama’s from 2023 and they had #1 class.

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P-Tizzle said:
Transfers:

Downs, Benson, Ricks, Hurley, Holstein, and Mitchell.

Question: where are the stars and the contributors who remained?

Proctor?
Keeley and Young look like busts.
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Just justice Haynes and Proctor and maybe richard young and Jalen Hale.

But Yea that class was a bust. So far from their freshman in the 2024 class ryan williams, and like 2 corners but still too early to tell on that one.
 
SaiyaMan305 said:
Just justice Haynes and Proctor and maybe richard young and Jalen Hale.

But Yea that class was a bust. So far from their freshman in the 2024 class ryan williams, and like 2 corners but still too early to tell on that one.
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the Bama class is
hard to judge because I think a lot of those transfers came after Saban retired
 
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Shiiiiiit; why stop at the class of 2023? Let’s see where 2 of the first 4 of the classes recruited here are at:

2022:
C. Moss 4* (#8 DE in the Nation) - Portal
N. Kelly 4* (#14 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
J. Skinner 4* (#3 TE in the Nation) - Portal to UL
T. Citizen 4* (#9 RB in the Nation) - Portal to McNeese
K. Rogers 4* (#15 CB in the Nation) - Portal to Miss St
C. Graves 4* (#7 ATH in the Nation) - Portal to Ole Miss
W. Bissainthe 4* (#18 LB in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Brown 4* (#17 QB in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
M. Williams 4* (#26 S in the Nation) - limited PT
I. Horton 4* (#56 WR in the Nation) - Portal
J. Harris 3* (#51 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Moten 3* (#80 DL in the Nation) - Rotational Piece
M. McCoy 3* (#62 OT in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Cooper 3* (#109 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
C. Young 3* (#7 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Portal to UGA

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
D. Jackson 3* TR - Portal to FSU
H. Parrish 3* TR - Portal to Ole Miss
A. Messidor 4* TR - ⭐️
L. Sagapolu 3* TR - Portal to UW
F. Ladson 3* TR - Portal to UMass
D. Porter 3* TR - Solid CB
J. Denis 3* TR - Portal to Central Missouri
J. Lichtenstein 3* TR - No Comment

4/23 = 17.4% hit rate as of 12/20/24

2023:
F. Mauigoa 5* (#2 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
S. Okunlola 5* (#4 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
R. Bain 4* (#11 DE in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Wayne 4* (#13 DE in the Nation) - Portal to UW
R. Williams 4* (#4 TE in the Nation) - Portal
R. Joseph 4* (#24 WR in the Nation) - No Comment
M. Fletcher 4* (#7 RB in the Nation) - ⭐️
R. Stafford 4* (#17 CB in the Nation) - Portal
C. Acheampong 4* (#23 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCLA
M. Bryant 4* (#16 LB in the Nation) - Promising
R. Aguirre 4* (#20 LB in the Nation) - Promising
D. Brown 4* (#21 CB in the Nation) - Solid Depth Piece
R. Washington 4* (#28 WR in the Nation) - Portal
C. Johnson 4* (#17 RB in the Nation) - Portal
B. Washington 4* (#37 LB in the Nation) - Portal
J. Horton 4* (#50 DL in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
T. Kinsler 3* (#49 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Carver 3* (#30 TE in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
S. Kirk 3* (#3 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
A. Tripp 3* (#60 OT in the Nation) - Portal
E. Williams 3* (#34 QB in the Nation) - WILL NEVER START
K. Spencer 3* (#58 S in the Nation) - Portal to VT
M. Pulliam 3* (#64 LB in the Nation) - Portal to MSU
F. Tinilau 3* (#83 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
Dylan Joyce (NA) - Starting P
D. Freeney (NA JUCO CB) - Portal to Arizona

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
J. Burroughs 3* TR - Portal
L. Cristobal 3* TR - No Comment
A. Campbell 3* TR - No Comment
J. Richard 3* TR - Injured so No Comment
D. Brown 4* TR - Portal to FSU
T. Gore 3* TR - Portal to GT
F. Mauigoa 4* TR - Inconsistent ‘24, but ⭐️
T. Roberts 3* TR - Portal to MSU
C. McCormick 3* TR - Solid Rotational Piece
A. Allen 3* TR - Solid RB3/4

10/36= 27.8% hit rate as of 12/20/24

So between the classes of 2022 & 2023, which are supposed to be our upperclassmen leaders for the 2025-26 season, Mario’s HS & Portal evals are hitting at a 22.6% hit rate, which is on par with the data I provided in the “Mario Recruiter” thread during his time at UO.

He’s a 1/4.5 success rate w/ a 3/4.5 attrition/non-impact rate. I expect more portal casualties which will skew these numbers further. It’s also why for the 1st time since I started following recruiting, I was very numb b/c so far, we’re not stacking classes, we’re bleeding them.
 
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AUcane said:
That’s fair. “Run game contributor”. I am hoping we get more out of him outside of being a good blocking TE. Jmo
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He can only do that if he gets passes thrown his way. He has about 6-7 productive upperclassmen that get targeted more than him. There’s only 1 ball. When his number is called he makes plays in the passing game. After VT, I don’t see how there are any complaints about him.
 
It’s tough to give a class that went really heavy on offensive linemen a grade after two year.s. Most don’t see the field until year three. It’s definitely time for guys like Okunlola, Kinsler, Horton and the Washington brothers to make moves for starting positions. If another two or three guys from this class can become productive starters, I’d say it was a very good class.

I’d like to see similar lists of other school’s classes from the same year and see how they’ve all panned out. People tend to think highly rated are all full of immediate impact superstars but that’s not the case. Even the best recruiting schools have developmental guys and guys who are just busts. Nobody had more 5 star busts over the years than Nick Saban. It’s why the good schools don’t put all their eggs in one class and hope that that one class can “turn the team around”. We’ve seen Miami do that before and it’s exactly what Florida is doing now.
 
Rellyrell said:
Shiiiiiit; why stop at the class of 2023? Let’s see where 2 of the first 4 of the classes recruited here are at:

2022:
C. Moss 4* (#8 DE in the Nation) - Portal
N. Kelly 4* (#14 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
J. Skinner 4* (#3 TE in the Nation) - Portal to UL
T. Citizen 4* (#9 RB in the Nation) - Portal to McNeese
K. Rogers 4* (#15 CB in the Nation) - Portal to Miss St
C. Graves 4* (#7 ATH in the Nation) - Portal to Ole Miss
W. Bissainthe 4* (#18 LB in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Brown 4* (#17 QB in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
M. Williams 4* (#26 S in the Nation) - limited PT
I. Horton 4* (#56 WR in the Nation) - Solid WR3
J. Harris 3* (#51 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Moten 3* (#80 DL in the Nation) - Rotational Piece
M. McCoy 3* (#62 OT in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Cooper 3* (#109 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
C. Young 3* (#7 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Portal to UGA

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
D. Jackson 3* TR - Portal to FSU
H. Parrish 3* TR - Portal to Ole Miss
A. Messidor 4* TR - ⭐️
L. Sagapolu 3* TR - Portal to UW
F. Ladson 3* TR - Portal to UMass
D. Porter 3* TR - Solid CB
J. Denis 3* TR - Portal to Central Missouri
J. Lichtenstein 3* TR - No Comment

5/23 = 21.7% hit rate as of 12/06/24

2023:
F. Mauigoa 5* (#2 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
S. Okunlola 5* (#4 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
R. Bain 4* (#11 DE in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Wayne 4* (#13 DE in the Nation) - Portal to UW
R. Williams 4* (#4 TE in the Nation) - Promising
R. Joseph 4* (#24 WR in the Nation) - No Comment
M. Fletcher 4* (#7 RB in the Nation) - ⭐️
R. Stafford 4* (#17 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
C. Acheampong 4* (#23 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCLA
M. Bryant 4* (#16 LB in the Nation) - Promising
R. Aguirre 4* (#20 LB in the Nation) - Promising
D. Brown 4* (#21 CB in the Nation) - Solid Depth Piece
R. Washington 4* (#28 WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
C. Johnson 4* (#17 RB in the Nation) - Portal
B. Washington 4* (#37 LB in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Horton 4* (#50 DL in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
T. Kinsler 3* (#49 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Carver 3* (#30 TE in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
S. Kirk 3* (#3 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
A. Tripp 3* (#60 OT in the Nation) - Portal
E. Williams 3* (#34 QB in the Nation) - WILL NEVER START
K. Spencer 3* (#58 S in the Nation) - Portal to VT
M. Pulliam 3* (#64 LB in the Nation) - Portal to MSU
F. Tinilau 3* (#83 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
Dylan Joyce (NA) - Starting P
D. Freeney (NA JUCO CB) - Portal to Arizona

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
J. Burroughs 3* TR - Portal
L. Cristobal 3* TR - No Comment
A. Campbell 3* TR - No Comment
J. Richard 3* TR - Injured so No Comment
D. Brown 4* TR - Portal to FSU
T. Gore 3* TR - Portal to GT
F. Mauigoa 4* TR - Inconsistent ‘24, but ⭐️
T. Roberts 3* TR - Portal to MSU
C. McCormick 3* TR - Solid Rotational Piece
A. Allen 3* TR - Solid RB3/4

11/36= 30.6% hit rate as of 12/06/24

So between the classes of 2022 & 2023, which are supposed to be our upperclassmen leaders for the 2025-26 season, Mario’s HS & Portal evals are hitting at a 26.2 hit rate, which is on par with the data I provided in the “Mario Recruiter” thread during his time at UO.

He’s a 1/4 success rate w/ a 3/4 attrition/non-impact rate. I expect more portal casualties which will skew these numbers further. It’s also why for the 1st time since I started following recruiting, I was very numb b/c so far, we’re not stacking classes, we’re bleeding them.
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It's gonna get worse that 23 class will continue to bleed.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Shiiiiiit; why stop at the class of 2023? Let’s see where 2 of the first 4 of the classes recruited here are at:

2022:
C. Moss 4* (#8 DE in the Nation) - Portal
N. Kelly 4* (#14 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
J. Skinner 4* (#3 TE in the Nation) - Portal to UL
T. Citizen 4* (#9 RB in the Nation) - Portal to McNeese
K. Rogers 4* (#15 CB in the Nation) - Portal to Miss St
C. Graves 4* (#7 ATH in the Nation) - Portal to Ole Miss
W. Bissainthe 4* (#18 LB in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Brown 4* (#17 QB in the Nation) - Portal to UCF
M. Williams 4* (#26 S in the Nation) - limited PT
I. Horton 4* (#56 WR in the Nation) - Solid WR3
J. Harris 3* (#51 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Moten 3* (#80 DL in the Nation) - Rotational Piece
M. McCoy 3* (#62 OT in the Nation) - No Comment
A. Cooper 3* (#109 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
C. Young 3* (#7 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Portal to UGA

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
D. Jackson 3* TR - Portal to FSU
H. Parrish 3* TR - Portal to Ole Miss
A. Messidor 4* TR - ⭐️
L. Sagapolu 3* TR - Portal to UW
F. Ladson 3* TR - Portal to UMass
D. Porter 3* TR - Solid CB
J. Denis 3* TR - Portal to Central Missouri
J. Lichtenstein 3* TR - No Comment

5/23 = 21.7% hit rate as of 12/06/24

2023:
F. Mauigoa 5* (#2 OT in the Nation) - ⭐️
S. Okunlola 5* (#4 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
R. Bain 4* (#11 DE in the Nation) - ⭐️
J. Wayne 4* (#13 DE in the Nation) - Portal to UW
R. Williams 4* (#4 TE in the Nation) - Promising
R. Joseph 4* (#24 WR in the Nation) - No Comment
M. Fletcher 4* (#7 RB in the Nation) - ⭐️
R. Stafford 4* (#17 CB in the Nation) - No Comment
C. Acheampong 4* (#23 DL in the Nation) - Portal to UCLA
M. Bryant 4* (#16 LB in the Nation) - Promising
R. Aguirre 4* (#20 LB in the Nation) - Promising
D. Brown 4* (#21 CB in the Nation) - Solid Depth Piece
R. Washington 4* (#28 WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
C. Johnson 4* (#17 RB in the Nation) - Portal
B. Washington 4* (#37 LB in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Horton 4* (#50 DL in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
T. Kinsler 3* (#49 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
J. Carver 3* (#30 TE in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
S. Kirk 3* (#3 JUCO WR in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
A. Tripp 3* (#60 OT in the Nation) - Portal
E. Williams 3* (#34 QB in the Nation) - WILL NEVER START
K. Spencer 3* (#58 S in the Nation) - Portal to VT
M. Pulliam 3* (#64 LB in the Nation) - Portal to MSU
F. Tinilau 3* (#83 OT in the Nation) - Bench Warmer
Dylan Joyce (NA) - Starting P
D. Freeney (NA JUCO CB) - Portal to Arizona

Transfer Portal of players w/ 2+ yrs of eligibility:
J. Burroughs 3* TR - Portal
L. Cristobal 3* TR - No Comment
A. Campbell 3* TR - No Comment
J. Richard 3* TR - Injured so No Comment
D. Brown 4* TR - Portal to FSU
T. Gore 3* TR - Portal to GT
F. Mauigoa 4* TR - Inconsistent ‘24, but ⭐️
T. Roberts 3* TR - Portal to MSU
C. McCormick 3* TR - Solid Rotational Piece
A. Allen 3* TR - Solid RB3/4

11/36= 30.6% hit rate as of 12/06/24

So between the classes of 2022 & 2023, which are supposed to be our upperclassmen leaders for the 2025-26 season, Mario’s HS & Portal evals are hitting at a 26.2 hit rate, which is on par with the data I provided in the “Mario Recruiter” thread during his time at UO.

He’s a 1/4 success rate w/ a 3/4 attrition/non-impact rate. I expect more portal casualties which will skew these numbers further. It’s also why for the 1st time since I started following recruiting, I was very numb b/c so far, we’re not stacking classes, we’re bleeding them.
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ELITE bleeding!
 
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