Todd Blackledge: Al Golden just gets it.

[legacy05]

Not gonna quote that post but I'm personally going:

40% scheme
25% talent
25% youth
10% Jethro/DL

I think the talent/youth are directly correlated to each other so they have the same percentage. Also just not a fan of the read and react, engage the OL, play 10 yds off receiver scheme Dorito runs. And I honestly think that, plus talent/youth, is the reason for the ****ty DL.

you're entitled to your opinion.. but if our problem is 40% schematic.. then how do you explain the previous success golden and donof have had running the SAME EXACT SCHEME...

Just like offense, different schemes fit different types of players. Also, may work on lower level where players they are facing aren't as elite. I dunno.

If Doritos defense actually ends up being **** good, I will eat crow. I just don't see that happening at this point.

 

[DaU83]

Not gonna quote that post but I'm personally going:

40% scheme
25% talent
25% youth
10% Jethro/DL

I think the talent/youth are directly correlated to each other so they have the same percentage. Also just not a fan of the read and react, engage the OL, play 10 yds off receiver scheme Dorito runs. And I honestly think that, plus talent/youth, is the reason for the ****ty DL.

you're entitled to your opinion.. but if our problem is 40% schematic.. then how do you explain the previous success golden and donof have had running the SAME EXACT SCHEME...

Just like offense, different schemes fit different types of players. Also, may work on lower level where players they are facing aren't as elite. I dunno.

If Doritos defense actually ends up being **** good, I will eat crow. I just don't see that happening at this point.

that's a fallacy.. because they were facing lower level players, while playing with lower level players themselves.. they weren't trotting out bama's roster against these lower level players.


And you're right, the players we had were recruited for a different defensive scheme (which hadn't been very good in years).. so doesn't it make sense that we would give them time to bring in the type of players they want for their system?

I don't expect us to be **** good just yet, but I have all reason (and proof) to believe we will get to that.. since they've done it before.

 

[MizCane]

I dig this, guy is actually pretty decent at what he does.

Most underrated player in the '83 draft too. Ahead of his time then, as a broadcaster.

Or did you mean Todd's Taste of the Town?

Underrated? He was ******* terrible in the NFL.

 

[sebastian91]

Not gonna quote that post but I'm personally going:

40% scheme
25% talent
25% youth
10% Jethro/DL

I think the talent/youth are directly correlated to each other so they have the same percentage. Also just not a fan of the read and react, engage the OL, play 10 yds off receiver scheme Dorito runs. And I honestly think that, plus talent/youth, is the reason for the ****ty DL.

Every defense is read and react, engage the OL, and play 10 yds off the receivers (at times depending on situation). The scheme is basically the same one that Parcells won Super Bowls with and is run by many NFL teams. It works, it's been shown to work on every level, and D'Onofrio has shown that he can make it work. Were you disappointed in the scheme in 2011, when the (more experienced and talented) defense was highly ranked?

How many of our D players have been draft picks in recent years? How many of them have been suspended or kicked off the team for stupidity? How many frosh and sophs were in the 2 deep last year (and will be again this year)? Why was our leading tackler an undersized DE with no knees left? Why do our DBs often (not always) play off the receivers at the snap? Maybe because they aren't good enough to play press, and the bad DL can't shed blocks and generate pressure? If we had even average talent and experience on the DL, would we still be playing off the receivers?

I don't know, man. I don't see any way that the scheme has anything to with anything. It's all about the personnel, and they're getting there slowly but surely.

The style of defense we run is okay in some situations but we don't use it in certain situations, we use it ALL the time. Yes, we don't have the personnel, hence why I gave those a high % as well. Would even be okay making it (30-30-30 for scheme-talent-youth).

Idk, I just know that anytime I would watch games with my dad (played at UNC in the 70s), he would sit there and go "what the **** kind of defense are y'all running?" When I told it was the bend don't break (HA, we broke), engage OL, etc., he said that was an OL's dream to go up a DL that engages a DL. Makes it easier for the OL to block. He also used to tell me a story of when an NFL team wanted to try him out at a LB and he had to cover guys, he jammed them at the line as much as he could because he knew he couldn't cover them. So I've always considered that as a what more inexperienced CBs should do. Try to jam at the line as much as possible to disrupt the WR's route and give time for the DL (who is hopefully rushing at this point) to get to the QB. Pretty simplified version, I know. But my problem with this bend-don't break defense is that it keeps the defense on the field way too long, which leaves them gassed (especially with our relatively high-powered offense). Since we can't seem to stop people anyway, might as well be aggressive and try to force them to make mistakes instead of hoping they do.

Again, just my opinion, not saying I'm right. Also not a football genius, so there ya go.

I hear you, and you're entitled to that opinion. But, I think the staff is handcuffed by the failures of the previous staff to maintain a balanced, talented roster. I sincerely doubt that the Wake transfer would have ever seen the field if there were anyone else even remotely serviceable on the roster. The defense these guys ran at Temple and are trying to implement here is not a bend don't break defense. They're doing it now because they have to. We saw several occasions last year where we played press, or blitzed, or were more aggressive, and they were burned numerous times. That stuff only works if you have the horses (and experience not to blow assignments). I believe that they tried to keep the opposing offense in front of them last year to try to limit the big plays, and give the offense more chances to make mistakes (since we weren't going to be forcing any).

I expect the defense to be improved and a little more aggressive this season, but I don't think these guys are fully developed yet (especially physically). It's going to be another long year on defense, and there are going to be loud calls for Coach D's head from the masses. I hope they can at least play well enough to put us over the edge on those close games we've been losing, improve in the rankings (for the ranking whores), limit big plays and mistakes, and continue developing the new talent that they're bringing in.

 

[legacy05]

Not gonna quote that post but I'm personally going:

40% scheme
25% talent
25% youth
10% Jethro/DL

I think the talent/youth are directly correlated to each other so they have the same percentage. Also just not a fan of the read and react, engage the OL, play 10 yds off receiver scheme Dorito runs. And I honestly think that, plus talent/youth, is the reason for the ****ty DL.

you're entitled to your opinion.. but if our problem is 40% schematic.. then how do you explain the previous success golden and donof have had running the SAME EXACT SCHEME...

Just like offense, different schemes fit different types of players. Also, may work on lower level where players they are facing aren't as elite. I dunno.

If Doritos defense actually ends up being **** good, I will eat crow. I just don't see that happening at this point.

that's a fallacy.. because they were facing lower level players, while playing with lower level players themselves.. they weren't trotting out bama's roster against these lower level players.


And you're right, the players we had were recruited for a different defensive scheme (which hadn't been very good in years).. so doesn't it make sense that we would give them time to bring in the type of players they want for their system?

I don't expect us to be **** good just yet, but I have all reason (and proof) to believe we will get to that.. since they've done it before.

Only argument I can make, though admittedly weak, is that lower level players are more likely to make mistakes on their own. Hence the bend-don't break, wait for a mistake defense working. But more elite players aren't going to mess up as much, so they need to be forced to make mistakes.

See my response to sebastian91 where I talked about hating this style of defense anyway. Miami sits in a hot bed of aggressive, fast players, yet we are telling them to sit back and wait. Go watch the Miami NFTC OL vs DL video and tell me that Khairi Clark would rather just engage the OL over trying to be aggressive. I know we like to joke and have fun about getting southern savages on our team, but the truth of the matter is, we aren't going to get them if we play a soft defense like we are playing now.
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[legacy05]

Not gonna quote that post but I'm personally going:

40% scheme
25% talent
25% youth
10% Jethro/DL

I think the talent/youth are directly correlated to each other so they have the same percentage. Also just not a fan of the read and react, engage the OL, play 10 yds off receiver scheme Dorito runs. And I honestly think that, plus talent/youth, is the reason for the ****ty DL.

Every defense is read and react, engage the OL, and play 10 yds off the receivers (at times depending on situation). The scheme is basically the same one that Parcells won Super Bowls with and is run by many NFL teams. It works, it's been shown to work on every level, and D'Onofrio has shown that he can make it work. Were you disappointed in the scheme in 2011, when the (more experienced and talented) defense was highly ranked?

How many of our D players have been draft picks in recent years? How many of them have been suspended or kicked off the team for stupidity? How many frosh and sophs were in the 2 deep last year (and will be again this year)? Why was our leading tackler an undersized DE with no knees left? Why do our DBs often (not always) play off the receivers at the snap? Maybe because they aren't good enough to play press, and the bad DL can't shed blocks and generate pressure? If we had even average talent and experience on the DL, would we still be playing off the receivers?

I don't know, man. I don't see any way that the scheme has anything to with anything. It's all about the personnel, and they're getting there slowly but surely.

The style of defense we run is okay in some situations but we don't use it in certain situations, we use it ALL the time. Yes, we don't have the personnel, hence why I gave those a high % as well. Would even be okay making it (30-30-30 for scheme-talent-youth).

Idk, I just know that anytime I would watch games with my dad (played at UNC in the 70s), he would sit there and go "what the **** kind of defense are y'all running?" When I told it was the bend don't break (HA, we broke), engage OL, etc., he said that was an OL's dream to go up a DL that engages a DL. Makes it easier for the OL to block. He also used to tell me a story of when an NFL team wanted to try him out at a LB and he had to cover guys, he jammed them at the line as much as he could because he knew he couldn't cover them. So I've always considered that as a what more inexperienced CBs should do. Try to jam at the line as much as possible to disrupt the WR's route and give time for the DL (who is hopefully rushing at this point) to get to the QB. Pretty simplified version, I know. But my problem with this bend-don't break defense is that it keeps the defense on the field way too long, which leaves them gassed (especially with our relatively high-powered offense). Since we can't seem to stop people anyway, might as well be aggressive and try to force them to make mistakes instead of hoping they do.

Again, just my opinion, not saying I'm right. Also not a football genius, so there ya go.

I hear you, and you're entitled to that opinion. But, I think the staff is handcuffed by the failures of the previous staff to maintain a balanced, talented roster. I sincerely doubt that the Wake transfer would have ever seen the field if there were anyone else even remotely serviceable on the roster. The defense these guys ran at Temple and are trying to implement here is not a bend don't break defense. They're doing it now because they have to. We saw several occasions last year where we played press, or blitzed, or were more aggressive, and they were burned numerous times. That stuff only works if you have the horses (and experience not to blow assignments). I believe that they tried to keep the opposing offense in front of them last year to try to limit the big plays, and give the offense more chances to make mistakes (since we weren't going to be forcing any).

I expect the defense to be improved and a little more aggressive this season, but I don't think these guys are fully developed yet (especially physically). It's going to be another long year on defense, and there are going to be loud calls for Coach D's head from the masses. I hope they can at least play well enough to put us over the edge on those close games we've been losing, improve in the rankings (for the ranking whores), limit big plays and mistakes, and continue developing the new talent that they're bringing in.

If the bolded is true, then okay. And I guess they could have gone either way with the lack of talent: keep defenses in front and hoping they make a mistake chipping away, or make them play aggressive to get used to playing like that when they get physically and mentally mature. I was just hoping for the latter because of what I said earlier about attempting to force TOs and not letting the defense get gassed because it's staying on the field too much.

 

[sebastian91]

Patience. Look at the depth chart these guys inherited. Shayon Green is not a Miami caliber DE, at least not anymore due to his injuries, but the man busts his *** and leads the team in tackles. We had a former backup QB starting at safety for crying out loud. Things are improving. There's no doubt in mind about that, but an entire roster can't be turned over in 2 seasons. Shannon needed time to fix Coker's mistakes, and he ended up making things worse with his horrible roster management. Golden and co. need time to get the roster more balanced and upgrade the talent. It's coming, but I fear that the masses won't be satisfied with the defense again this year, so they'll call for Coach D to be fired.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Patience, my achingass.

If you're going to take an Army trainee and teach him to be a machinegunner, you don't start him out peeling potatoes! You school him on, and then put him on the machinegun!

This half-asssed bend concept is a morale breaker. I want to see these guys getting in the backfield.

Look. I understand the concept of "read" and then "react." Problem is, you lose a second or two "reading," and by then you could have been wreaking havoc in the backfield choking the schitt out of the RB or Quarterback.

"Read" gives the quarterback literally, seconds. And they ate our lunches UP.

Scheme is closely tied to Attitude. If they're young and don't have the size, that's fine - take your buttwhippings when young, and it will be YOUR turn later. Buttwhippings are a good thing to a young player. He's shown how much faster/stronger/quicker/meaner he needs to be to come back next season and start dishing it out. No guessing. You KNOW.

I know Shannon left us in a ****poor position, but that doesn't excuse a more passive defensive attitude when we may lose by just as many points, but an aggressive attitude is what Miami football is supposed to be all about.

No one wants to play candyass football.

What was it Jimmy would yell out just as they left the locker to take the field? Now, let's go out there and play like a bunch of wild men!

 

[AZHurricane]

Patience, my achingass.

If you're going to take an Army trainee and teach him to be a machinegunner, you don't start him out peeling potatoes! You school him on, and then put him on the machinegun!

Stopped reading due to ignorance of initial position.

 

[sebastian91]

Patience, my achingass.

If you're going to take an Army trainee and teach him to be a machinegunner, you don't start him out peeling potatoes! You school him on, and then put him on the machinegun!

This half-asssed bend concept is a morale breaker. I want to see these guys getting in the backfield.

Look. I understand the concept of "read" and then "react." Problem is, you lose a second or two "reading," and by then you could have been wreaking havoc in the backfield choking the schitt out of the RB or Quarterback.

"Read" gives the quarterback literally, seconds. And they ate our lunches UP.

Scheme is closely tied to Attitude. If they're young and don't have the size, that's fine - take your buttwhippings when young, and it will be YOUR turn later. Buttwhippings are a good thing to a young player. He's shown how much faster/stronger/quicker/meaner he needs to be to come back next season and start dishing it out. No guessing. You KNOW.

I know Shannon left us in a ****poor position, but that doesn't excuse a more passive defensive attitude when we may lose by just as many points, but an aggressive attitude is what Miami football is supposed to be all about.

No one wants to play candyass football.

What was it Jimmy would yell out just as they left the locker to take the field? Now, let's go out there and play like a bunch of wild men!

EVERY defense is read and react. The difference is that experience and talent do both faster and better. The coaches made a decision that they thought was best and put the team in the best position to win. Maybe they were right, maybe they were wrong. They were frocked either way. They chose the slow death approach in hopes that the opposition would make mistakes. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but you can't really fault them for making a choice based on the circumstances. This isn't the freaking military. It's a game.

 

[De Pinga]

Patience, my achingass.

If you're going to take an Army trainee and teach him to be a machinegunner, you don't start him out peeling potatoes! You school him on, and then put him on the machinegun!

This half-asssed bend concept is a morale breaker. I want to see these guys getting in the backfield.

Look. I understand the concept of "read" and then "react." Problem is, you lose a second or two "reading," and by then you could have been wreaking havoc in the backfield choking the schitt out of the RB or Quarterback.

"Read" gives the quarterback literally, seconds. And they ate our lunches UP.

Scheme is closely tied to Attitude. If they're young and don't have the size, that's fine - take your buttwhippings when young, and it will be YOUR turn later. Buttwhippings are a good thing to a young player. He's shown how much faster/stronger/quicker/meaner he needs to be to come back next season and start dishing it out. No guessing. You KNOW.

I know Shannon left us in a ****poor position, but that doesn't excuse a more passive defensive attitude when we may lose by just as many points, but an aggressive attitude is what Miami football is supposed to be all about.

No one wants to play candyass football.

What was it Jimmy would yell out just as they left the locker to take the field? Now, let's go out there and play like a bunch of wild men!

This.

 

[dg151]

Do people not realize this is the same ideology that Bama runs? When Suh was destroying the whole **** world at Nebraska this is the style of defense he was doing it in. Read and react doesn't mean you just stand there and get blown up, it means you fire off the ball, contain the lineman and your gap, and then toss that ****** to the ground and kill the running back.

No one two gaps every play, we haven't done that the past two seasons, we just sucked at everything last season because the players that were put on the field weren't very good.

 

[sebastian91]

Do people not realize this is the same ideology that Bama runs? When Suh was destroying the whole **** world at Nebraska this is the style of defense he was doing it in. Read and react doesn't mean you just stand there and get blown up, it means you fire off the ball, contain the lineman and your gap, and then toss that ****er to the ground and kill the running back.

No one two gaps every play, we haven't done that the past two seasons, we just sucked at everything last season because the players that were put on the field weren't very good.

Clearly, and sadly, they do not.