Todd Blackledge: Al Golden just gets it.

[Consigliere]

I will concede that the external stuff surrounding the Maryland and BC games played a role in their outcomes. Not crazy about the way we played but I'm willing to let those games slide. We're 13-9 in the other 22 games. Some of it's been good and some of its been bad. Al deserves credit for the offense, defense, special teams. Two of those three units have improved since he took over. The defense (clearly a work in progress) is the one he and Dorito have been using since Temple. It hasn't worked here yet but we only have a couple more months to see where they're at. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'm not very optimistic about that side of the ball. I'll reserve judgement until then.

Honest question, I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist, I played in HS but I was no savvy football savant.

For 2012 DEFENSE, just DEFENSE how would you allocate the blame (in terms of percentage) of the following:

1. DC and his schemes/plays etc

2. Jethro and his ability to develop the DL (pass rush)

3. Overall Talent (i.e. Shayon Green, Darrius Smith and VT all starting games lineup) and

4. Youth (i.e. freshman starting or playing significant burn)

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I don't pretend to know, I am just not happy with the result on Defense.

 

[rok]

I will concede that the external stuff surrounding the Maryland and BC games played a role in their outcomes. Not crazy about the way we played but I'm willing to let those games slide. We're 13-9 in the other 22 games. Some of it's been good and some of its been bad. Al deserves credit for the offense, defense, special teams. Two of those three units have improved since he took over. The defense (clearly a work in progress) is the one he and Dorito have been using since Temple. It hasn't worked here yet but we only have a couple more months to see where they're at. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'm not very optimistic about that side of the ball. I'll reserve judgement until then.

Honest question, I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist, I played in HS but I was no savvy football savant.

For 2012 DEFENSE, just DEFENSE how would you allocate the blame (in terms of percentage) of the following:

1. DC and his schemes/plays etc

2. Jethro and his ability to develop the DL (pass rush)

3. Overall Talent (i.e. Shayon Green, Darrius Smith and VT all starting games lineup) and

4. Youth (i.e. freshman starting or playing significant burn)

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I don't pretend to know, I am just not happy with the result on Defense.

4 - 45%
3 - 30%
2 - 20%
1 - 5%

 

[Consigliere]

I will concede that the external stuff surrounding the Maryland and BC games played a role in their outcomes. Not crazy about the way we played but I'm willing to let those games slide. We're 13-9 in the other 22 games. Some of it's been good and some of its been bad. Al deserves credit for the offense, defense, special teams. Two of those three units have improved since he took over. The defense (clearly a work in progress) is the one he and Dorito have been using since Temple. It hasn't worked here yet but we only have a couple more months to see where they're at. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'm not very optimistic about that side of the ball. I'll reserve judgement until then.

Honest question, I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist, I played in HS but I was no savvy football savant.

For 2012 DEFENSE, just DEFENSE how would you allocate the blame (in terms of percentage) of the following:

1. DC and his schemes/plays etc

2. Jethro and his ability to develop the DL (pass rush)

3. Overall Talent (i.e. Shayon Green, Darrius Smith and VT all starting games lineup) and

4. Youth (i.e. freshman starting or playing significant burn)

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I don't pretend to know, I am just not happy with the result on Defense.

4 - 45%
3 - 30%
2 - 20%
1 - 5%

So talent and youth had little to do with it last year?

 

[Gamineal]

posted in WEZ.....these guys need depth and players that can make plays

In 2011 we had Vernon, Spence, Porter, forston, healthy perryman, chick, Mcgee and even Ray Ray at times..
these guys managed a top 20 scoring D and 45th overall...and half were suspended or hurt for key games

once we get the NFL caliber depth and NFL caliber starting on D..we are home free...right now we dont have but maybe 3 or 4 nfl guys starting and ZERO nfl depth on D...its developing, unfortunately its on game-day....TOP 40 D this year bank it

this is als defense when at temple they went in 07 from

2007 43 in the nation Total d
2008 82
2009 32
2010 16th in nation total D

Scoring D
07 53
08 47th
09 39
10 16th

I think al and coach D can get this corrected...but last year was just a bad year....
The U in 2011 we were 17th in the nation on Scoring D....with his ****** scheme and 45th in total D with half the good guys not playing half the games...but talent was there...

2013 looks to be better

 

[Consigliere]

Gamineal,

2011 makes little sense to me, like I said before I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist. But 2011 and the Temple years are some of the reasons I remain hopeful about Coach D. I would take our defense letting up 20.08 PPG in 2013.

They had success as Temple, they had success in 2011 at Miami on D. What gives?

In 2011 we had suspensions and the NCAA mess but finished with 20.08 PPG.

In 2012 we lose key elder statesmen (Spence, Ojomo and Vernon) but play more freshman and average 30.50 PPG.

The coaches did not change from year 1 to year 2 and the schedules were similar. It has to be more there.

 

[Gamineal]

Gamineal,

2011 makes little sense to me, like I said before I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist. But 2011 and the Temple years are some of the reasons I remain hopeful about Coach D. I would take our defense letting up 20.08 PPG in 2013.

They had success as Temple, they had success in 2011 at Miami on D. What gives?

In 2011 we had suspensions and the NCAA mess but finished with 20.08 PPG.

In 2012 we lose key elder statesmen (Spence, Ojomo and Vernon) but play more freshman and average 30.50 PPG.

The coaches did not change from year 1 to year 2 and the schedules were similar. It has to be more there.

Okay, ( I am the farthest from an expert as you can get)....

Look at 2011 and 2012 side by side..

spence SR 4 yr st NFL
Vernon redshirt jr NFL
Ojomo NFL
Forston NFL
Ray Ray NFL
JoJo NFL
Vmac NFL
Mcgee NFL

2012
Deon Bush..FR
DP..best player hurt missed key games
Mcgee..NFL
Gunter Soph
Green Jr..hurt his whole career...leading tackler
Chick soph..lead team with 4 sacks
Pierre Soph..
King Frsh
Porter late..we saw a huge difference with him back...

Paul and eddie J both guys around Denzel or gone...

Huge talent difference
the 2011 guys had NO depth and struggled to hard games...see FSU/VT/UVA/KST
2012 was much much worse..see KST/ND/UVA/UNC..etc..

This year we have better depth NO great..its very important to get guys like AQM and BOND in here by Aug...

 

[sebastian91]

I will concede that the external stuff surrounding the Maryland and BC games played a role in their outcomes. Not crazy about the way we played but I'm willing to let those games slide. We're 13-9 in the other 22 games. Some of it's been good and some of its been bad. Al deserves credit for the offense, defense, special teams. Two of those three units have improved since he took over. The defense (clearly a work in progress) is the one he and Dorito have been using since Temple. It hasn't worked here yet but we only have a couple more months to see where they're at. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'm not very optimistic about that side of the ball. I'll reserve judgement until then.

Honest question, I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist, I played in HS but I was no savvy football savant.

For 2012 DEFENSE, just DEFENSE how would you allocate the blame (in terms of percentage) of the following:

1. DC and his schemes/plays etc

2. Jethro and his ability to develop the DL (pass rush)

3. Overall Talent (i.e. Shayon Green, Darrius Smith and VT all starting games lineup) and

4. Youth (i.e. freshman starting or playing significant burn)

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I don't pretend to know, I am just not happy with the result on Defense.

4 - 45%
3 - 30%
2 - 20%
1 - 5%

Wow. Just...wow.

 

[dg151]

At least 99 yards against Duke were because of youth.

Having a DL that gets pushed back 5 yards every play probably hurts the run defense regardless of scheme.

The scheme when run correctly works extremely effectively. But part of it working effectively is having DL that can control gaps and linemen. It's a scheme dependant on consistency. It's not a scheme that will have you leading the country in TFL or sacks, but you can be one of the top teams in the country defending the run and points allowed. When you can't defend the run and you have constant coverage break downs, it's an horrendous defense. The scheme works, it's been proven over and over again by the coaching staff at Miami and for other teams, but when the 11 players you put on the field are either not talented or 19 years old, it's going to suck. No matter what defense we ran last year the defense was gonna blow.

Oh I totally misread those percentages too, but the point still stands.

 

[rok]

I will concede that the external stuff surrounding the Maryland and BC games played a role in their outcomes. Not crazy about the way we played but I'm willing to let those games slide. We're 13-9 in the other 22 games. Some of it's been good and some of its been bad. Al deserves credit for the offense, defense, special teams. Two of those three units have improved since he took over. The defense (clearly a work in progress) is the one he and Dorito have been using since Temple. It hasn't worked here yet but we only have a couple more months to see where they're at. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'm not very optimistic about that side of the ball. I'll reserve judgement until then.

Honest question, I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist, I played in HS but I was no savvy football savant.

For 2012 DEFENSE, just DEFENSE how would you allocate the blame (in terms of percentage) of the following:

1. DC and his schemes/plays etc

2. Jethro and his ability to develop the DL (pass rush)

3. Overall Talent (i.e. Shayon Green, Darrius Smith and VT all starting games lineup) and

4. Youth (i.e. freshman starting or playing significant burn)

-------------------------------
I don't pretend to know, I am just not happy with the result on Defense.

4 - 45%
3 - 30%
2 - 20%
1 - 5%

Wow. Just...wow.

Percentages and numbers confuse you. I understand.

45% of the reason we sucked on D last year was youth

30% was talent

20% was the DL

5 % was the DCs fault

 

[DaU83]

We've seen the scheme work before, there's actually plenty of evidence that the scheme produces. So clearly, it's not a schematic issue. We just need to get guys to fit the scheme, and grow bigger/older.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Honest question, I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist, I played in HS but I was no savvy football savant.

For 2012 DEFENSE, just DEFENSE how would you allocate the blame (in terms of percentage) of the following:

1. DC and his schemes/plays etc

2. Jethro and his ability to develop the DL (pass rush)

3. Overall Talent (i.e. Shayon Green, Darrius Smith and VT all starting games lineup) and

4. Youth (i.e. freshman starting or playing significant burn)

-------------------------------
I don't pretend to know, I am just not happy with the result on Defense.

4 - 45%
3 - 30%
2 - 20%
1 - 5%

I'd say that's about right. Reasonable anyway.

 

[Consigliere]

I will concede that the external stuff surrounding the Maryland and BC games played a role in their outcomes. Not crazy about the way we played but I'm willing to let those games slide. We're 13-9 in the other 22 games. Some of it's been good and some of its been bad. Al deserves credit for the offense, defense, special teams. Two of those three units have improved since he took over. The defense (clearly a work in progress) is the one he and Dorito have been using since Temple. It hasn't worked here yet but we only have a couple more months to see where they're at. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'm not very optimistic about that side of the ball. I'll reserve judgement until then.

Honest question, I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist, I played in HS but I was no savvy football savant.

For 2012 DEFENSE, just DEFENSE how would you allocate the blame (in terms of percentage) of the following:

1. DC and his schemes/plays etc

2. Jethro and his ability to develop the DL (pass rush)

3. Overall Talent (i.e. Shayon Green, Darrius Smith and VT all starting games lineup) and

4. Youth (i.e. freshman starting or playing significant burn)

-------------------------------
I don't pretend to know, I am just not happy with the result on Defense.

4 - 45%
3 - 30%
2 - 20%
1 - 5%

Wow. Just...wow.

Well what do you think?

 

[sebastian91]

At least 99 yards against Duke were because of youth.

Having a DL that gets pushed back 5 yards every play probably hurts the run defense regardless of scheme.

The scheme when run correctly works extremely effectively. But part of it working effectively is having DL that can control gaps and linemen. It's a scheme dependant on consistency. It's not a scheme that will have you leading the country in TFL or sacks, but you can be one of the top teams in the country defending the run and points allowed. When you can't defend the run and you have constant coverage break downs, it's an horrendous defense. The scheme works, it's been proven over and over again by the coaching staff at Miami and for other teams, but when the 11 players you put on the field are either not talented or 19 years old, it's going to suck. No matter what defense we ran last year the defense was gonna blow.

Oh I totally misread those percentages too, but the point still stands.

This.

 

[sebastian91]

I will concede that the external stuff surrounding the Maryland and BC games played a role in their outcomes. Not crazy about the way we played but I'm willing to let those games slide. We're 13-9 in the other 22 games. Some of it's been good and some of its been bad. Al deserves credit for the offense, defense, special teams. Two of those three units have improved since he took over. The defense (clearly a work in progress) is the one he and Dorito have been using since Temple. It hasn't worked here yet but we only have a couple more months to see where they're at. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'm not very optimistic about that side of the ball. I'll reserve judgement until then.

Honest question, I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist, I played in HS but I was no savvy football savant.

For 2012 DEFENSE, just DEFENSE how would you allocate the blame (in terms of percentage) of the following:

1. DC and his schemes/plays etc

2. Jethro and his ability to develop the DL (pass rush)

3. Overall Talent (i.e. Shayon Green, Darrius Smith and VT all starting games lineup) and

4. Youth (i.e. freshman starting or playing significant burn)

-------------------------------
I don't pretend to know, I am just not happy with the result on Defense.

4 - 45%
3 - 30%
2 - 20%
1 - 5%

Wow. Just...wow.

Percentages and numbers confuse you. I understand.

45% of the reason we sucked on D last year was youth

30% was talent

20% was the DL

5 % was the DCs fault

No confusion at all (not one iota as DBC would say). I'm just shocked that these are the percentages you give based on the arguments you constantly make about the defense.

 

[sebastian91]

I will concede that the external stuff surrounding the Maryland and BC games played a role in their outcomes. Not crazy about the way we played but I'm willing to let those games slide. We're 13-9 in the other 22 games. Some of it's been good and some of its been bad. Al deserves credit for the offense, defense, special teams. Two of those three units have improved since he took over. The defense (clearly a work in progress) is the one he and Dorito have been using since Temple. It hasn't worked here yet but we only have a couple more months to see where they're at. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'm not very optimistic about that side of the ball. I'll reserve judgement until then.

Honest question, I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist, I played in HS but I was no savvy football savant.

For 2012 DEFENSE, just DEFENSE how would you allocate the blame (in terms of percentage) of the following:

1. DC and his schemes/plays etc

2. Jethro and his ability to develop the DL (pass rush)

3. Overall Talent (i.e. Shayon Green, Darrius Smith and VT all starting games lineup) and

4. Youth (i.e. freshman starting or playing significant burn)

-------------------------------
I don't pretend to know, I am just not happy with the result on Defense.

4 - 45%
3 - 30%
2 - 20%
1 - 5%

Wow. Just...wow.

Well what do you think?

I don't think those %'s are that far off, which shocked me because the 15 year old FIU fan generally has little common sense in his posts. I'd probably go 60% youth/inexperience, 30% talent, and 10% Jethro (just because he hasn't proven himself yet). I don't think the DC had anything to do with it. The scheme works, and he's shown he can implement it successfully.

 

[Consigliere]

Honest question, I am not a football expert. I am no football scientist, I played in HS but I was no savvy football savant.

For 2012 DEFENSE, just DEFENSE how would you allocate the blame (in terms of percentage) of the following:

1. DC and his schemes/plays etc

2. Jethro and his ability to develop the DL (pass rush)

3. Overall Talent (i.e. Shayon Green, Darrius Smith and VT all starting games lineup) and

4. Youth (i.e. freshman starting or playing significant burn)

-------------------------------
I don't pretend to know, I am just not happy with the result on Defense.

4 - 45%
3 - 30%
2 - 20%
1 - 5%

Wow. Just...wow.

Well what do you think?

I don't think those %'s are that far off, which shocked me because the 15 year old FIU fan generally has little common sense in his posts. I'd probably go 60% youth/inexperience, 30% talent, and 10% Jethro (just because he hasn't proven himself yet). I don't think the DC had anything to do with it. The scheme works, and he's shown he can implement it successfully.

 

[legacy05]

Not gonna quote that post but I'm personally going:

40% scheme
25% talent
25% youth
10% Jethro/DL

I think the talent/youth are directly correlated to each other so they have the same percentage. Also just not a fan of the read and react, engage the OL, play 10 yds off receiver scheme Dorito runs. And I honestly think that, plus talent/youth, is the reason for the ****** DL.

 

[sebastian91]

Not gonna quote that post but I'm personally going:

40% scheme
25% talent
25% youth
10% Jethro/DL

I think the talent/youth are directly correlated to each other so they have the same percentage. Also just not a fan of the read and react, engage the OL, play 10 yds off receiver scheme Dorito runs. And I honestly think that, plus talent/youth, is the reason for the ****ty DL.

Every defense is read and react, engage the OL, and play 10 yds off the receivers (at times depending on situation). The scheme is basically the same one that Parcells won Super Bowls with and is run by many NFL teams. It works, it's been shown to work on every level, and D'Onofrio has shown that he can make it work. Were you disappointed in the scheme in 2011, when the (more experienced and talented) defense was highly ranked?

How many of our D players have been draft picks in recent years? How many of them have been suspended or kicked off the team for stupidity? How many frosh and sophs were in the 2 deep last year (and will be again this year)? Why was our leading tackler an undersized DE with no knees left? Why do our DBs often (not always) play off the receivers at the snap? Maybe because they aren't good enough to play press, and the bad DL can't shed blocks and generate pressure? If we had even average talent and experience on the DL, would we still be playing off the receivers?

I don't know, man. I don't see any way that the scheme has anything to with anything. It's all about the personnel, and they're getting there slowly but surely.

 

[legacy05]

Not gonna quote that post but I'm personally going:

40% scheme
25% talent
25% youth
10% Jethro/DL

I think the talent/youth are directly correlated to each other so they have the same percentage. Also just not a fan of the read and react, engage the OL, play 10 yds off receiver scheme Dorito runs. And I honestly think that, plus talent/youth, is the reason for the ****ty DL.

Every defense is read and react, engage the OL, and play 10 yds off the receivers (at times depending on situation). The scheme is basically the same one that Parcells won Super Bowls with and is run by many NFL teams. It works, it's been shown to work on every level, and D'Onofrio has shown that he can make it work. Were you disappointed in the scheme in 2011, when the (more experienced and talented) defense was highly ranked?

How many of our D players have been draft picks in recent years? How many of them have been suspended or kicked off the team for stupidity? How many frosh and sophs were in the 2 deep last year (and will be again this year)? Why was our leading tackler an undersized DE with no knees left? Why do our DBs often (not always) play off the receivers at the snap? Maybe because they aren't good enough to play press, and the bad DL can't shed blocks and generate pressure? If we had even average talent and experience on the DL, would we still be playing off the receivers?

I don't know, man. I don't see any way that the scheme has anything to with anything. It's all about the personnel, and they're getting there slowly but surely.

The style of defense we run is okay in some situations but we don't use it in certain situations, we use it ALL the time. Yes, we don't have the personnel, hence why I gave those a high % as well. Would even be okay making it (30-30-30 for scheme-talent-youth).

Idk, I just know that anytime I would watch games with my dad (played at UNC in the 70s), he would sit there and go "what the **** kind of defense are y'all running?" When I told it was the bend don't break (HA, we broke), engage OL, etc., he said that was an OL's dream to go up a DL that engages a DL. Makes it easier for the OL to block. He also used to tell me a story of when an NFL team wanted to try him out at a LB and he had to cover guys, he jammed them at the line as much as he could because he knew he couldn't cover them. So I've always considered that as a what more inexperienced CBs should do. Try to jam at the line as much as possible to disrupt the WR's route and give time for the DL (who is hopefully rushing at this point) to get to the QB. Pretty simplified version, I know. But my problem with this bend-don't break defense is that it keeps the defense on the field way too long, which leaves them gassed (especially with our relatively high-powered offense). Since we can't seem to stop people anyway, might as well be aggressive and try to force them to make mistakes instead of hoping they do.

Again, just my opinion, not saying I'm right. Also not a football genius, so there ya go.

 

[DaU83]

Not gonna quote that post but I'm personally going:

40% scheme
25% talent
25% youth
10% Jethro/DL

I think the talent/youth are directly correlated to each other so they have the same percentage. Also just not a fan of the read and react, engage the OL, play 10 yds off receiver scheme Dorito runs. And I honestly think that, plus talent/youth, is the reason for the ****ty DL.

you're entitled to your opinion.. but if our problem is 40% schematic.. then how do you explain the previous success golden and donof have had running the SAME EXACT SCHEME...