Todays scrimmage

[DMoney]

I know this is unpopular but I want Arab Money to start over Shayon. I'm sorry we need a constant pass rush to help our secondary.

Shayon won't be starting. 98 will be taking his lunch money.

FIFY

Refreshing to potentially have some depth at DE. Chickillo and Green will be better without having to play every snap.

 

[UMprodigy]

hire magilacuty cane, now!

 

[Bicho]

I just can't wait until the first game to see if the Defense is really better. Some people say the uf game, but I think we should have a decent gauge of the D after FAU game.

the last few years we would have a hard time making fau punt. Bicho will see progress in at least being able to stop ****** offenses.

In the alternative, UF offense has not been able to score against ****** defenses.

Something has to give next month.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Matt Porter @mattyports
What I know about tonight's #Canes scrimmage: Morris 2 TD passes, both 50+ yds. Williams 2 TD passes, both to Stacy Coley.


Matt Porter @mattyports
Also, Matt Goudis was 2-for-2 on field goal attempts, improved to 5-for-5 in the two scrimmages.

 

[valid]

Matt Godis finna be perfect all year.

 

[UMprodigy]

after going through this thread .....

someone drop .... "not this **** again"

 

[zone3cane]

I'm pretty sure Oregon offense goes to town on there defense in there scrimmages.

exactly.... and i bet their offense beats their defense by more then 11 points in their scrimmages.

31-19 says more about how well the defense played then how bad they are imo.

 

[305umking]

As long as Highsmith and Rodgers are getting significant playing time we will give up big plays. Not picking on them but they're pretty bad. And truth be told Jenkins hasn't exactly set the world on fire..

Fact of the matter is our defense was beyond terrible last yr. if we can become at least average to slightly above average ill be happy and we should be in the hunt for 10 wins and a shot at the ACC title.

 

[UM58]

As long as Highsmith and Rodgers are getting significant playing time we will give up big plays. Not picking on them but they're pretty bad. And truth be told Jenkins hasn't exactly set the world on fire..

Fact of the matter is our defense was beyond terrible last yr. if we can become at least average to slightly above average ill be happy and we should be in the hunt for 10 wins and a shot at the ACC title.

As someone mentioned earlier, the secondary is still young. They're going to give up big plays.

 

[magilacuty cane]

Burns and Carter already have some very good size on them for their position.

The shoes they have on look better then the white clown shoes w/ the orange tip.

Gatas have them same shoes zone lol

 

[The Franchise]

The hate for green is stupid. He is not a rush end. Not all DEs are rush ends. He is solid at what he does.

Now highsmith is a different story

No one hates Green. Green is just a bad player. Great guy. Bad player. As for him not being a rush end that's absolutely the truth. He's not a rush end because he can't get to the passer. If he could, then he'd be a rush end.

You saw what this D did last year with a bunch of guys who couldn't get to the passer. 11 can get to the passer, and so can AQM. That is what this defense needs.

 

[zone3cane]

The hate for green is stupid. He is not a rush end. Not all DEs are rush ends. He is solid at what he does.

Now highsmith is a different story

No one hates Green. Green is just a bad player. Great guy. Bad player. As for him not being a rush end that's absolutely the truth. He's not a rush end because he can't get to the passer. If he could, then he'd be a rush end.

You saw what this D did last year with a bunch of guys who couldn't get to the passer. 11 can get to the passer, and so can AQM. That is what this defense needs.

Shayon Green isnt a bad player though????

 

[jw410]

I know this is unpopular but I want Arab Money to start over Shayon. I'm sorry we need a constant pass rush to help our secondary.

Because a team is going to throw the ball every down right? On top of that, for this hypothetical lets start a true freshman over a 5th year senior (Gilbert) who has the same qualities (better than Quan) when healthy. Green needs his role lessened, but he can still provide depth.

I wouldn't dismiss AQM so lightly. I also wouldn't say that Gilbert is a better pass rusher than AQM at this point.
Gilbert is a known quantity. He started 13 games last year and had 4 sacks. In 4 years playing college Gilbert has 14.5 tfl's and 8.5 sacks. Chick in 2 years has 13 tfl's and 9 sacks and most people, not myself, think Chick is a below average to average pass rusher.
So what does that say for Gilbert?
Quan looks like a guy who could go off like Rusty Madearis and get 4.5 sacks in his 1st ever game.
Not saying it will happen, just saing that to compare AQM to Gilbert is, honestly a huge compliment to Gilbert.

Has Gilbert not been playing with nagging foot injuries his only career at Wisconsin? Gilbert's 4 sacks last year at Wisconsin would have been more than anyone on our team. As I mentioned before, he was playing with a nagging injury. Gilbert's freshman year he played sparingly, and his junior year was cut short (played 3 games) due to injury. You think a true freshman can get 4.5 sacks in one game? 4.5 sacks in one season would be a success for AQM.

Just for some reference, these player as freshman totaled

-Mario Edwards: 1.5 sacks
-Noah Spence: 1 sack
-Jonathan Bullard: 1.5 sacks
-Channing Ward: 0
-Tyriq McCord: 3.5 sacks
-Devonte Fields 9 sacks

These were the statistics of 6 top DE prospects of the 2012 class.

AQM has elite passing rushing skills, everyone can see it. From the fans to the coaches watching it everyday at practice. He is a freak, but he's not ready to start right away. If you read my edited post (before you replied) I stated that. Gilbert has gotten the job done at a d1 level already. When healthy he can provide a pass rush. You must also remember that there's more to pass rushing than just sacks. Causing havoc & consistent pressure is vital to disrupting the qbs poise. AQM is a freshman, and I would feel much better with a proven player in Gilbert over AQM. The OP also said he wanted AQM to start over Green because of pass rush, as if opponents pass the ball on every down. Another example goes for Gunter and Burns. Burns could be better than all of our corners by week 10, but as of now, he still has to prove himself.

Leonard Williams from Mainland who went to USC late on NSD had a monster year.. I mean monster.

 

[The Franchise]

I know this is unpopular but I want Arab Money to start over Shayon. I'm sorry we need a constant pass rush to help our secondary.

Shayon won't be starting. 98 will be taking his lunch money.

FIFY

Refreshing to potentially have some depth at DE. Chickillo and Green will be better without having to play every snap.

11 and 98 will both be taking his lunch money. He will flourish in his new role as Cornbread Maxwell towel waver on the sidelines who plays about 20 snaps per game. Chick is a pretty good player, and he'll continue to get reps, but you're right that he'll be better with more rest.

 

[PowerIslam aka Sumdumgoy]

Prediction: D'Onofrio is fired after the season

GTFOOH! Coach D will not be fired from Miami. The only way he leaves is for a Head Coaching gig. Nothing is wrong with the coaching or scheme.

 

[The Franchise]

The hate for green is stupid. He is not a rush end. Not all DEs are rush ends. He is solid at what he does.

Now highsmith is a different story

No one hates Green. Green is just a bad player. Great guy. Bad player. As for him not being a rush end that's absolutely the truth. He's not a rush end because he can't get to the passer. If he could, then he'd be a rush end.

You saw what this D did last year with a bunch of guys who couldn't get to the passer. 11 can get to the passer, and so can AQM. That is what this defense needs.

Shayon Green isnt a bad player though????

Sure he is. Watch the games and quit quoting his tackle stats to me where he humped piles 10 yards down the field. He'll be decent as a bit player and an emotional leader this year. That'll be a role in which he will excel.

 

[UM58]

I'm all about getting Gilbert and Muhammed in there on obvious passing downs. Enough of the passive BS.

 

[SmokeyRone]

As long as Highsmith and Rodgers are getting significant playing time we will give up big plays. Not picking on them but they're pretty bad. And truth be told Jenkins hasn't exactly set the world on fire..

Fact of the matter is our defense was beyond terrible last yr. if we can become at least average to slightly above average ill be happy and we should be in the hunt for 10 wins and a shot at the ACC title.

As someone mentioned earlier, the secondary is still young. They're going to give up big plays.

Fine, but don't let them have a 100% 3rd and long conversion rate, nor a 8 yard average on first down, because we are afraid of giving up a big play.

Our problem is that by playing ten yards off the ball, we give bad QBs who couldn't make a big play if their family was held hostage, the chance to make uncontested 10 yard tosses all day long.

Make clowns from UNC, UVA and the like beat us, don't give them 15 yard completions in order to stop "the big play".

 

[zone3cane]

The hate for green is stupid. He is not a rush end. Not all DEs are rush ends. He is solid at what he does.

Now highsmith is a different story

No one hates Green. Green is just a bad player. Great guy. Bad player. As for him not being a rush end that's absolutely the truth. He's not a rush end because he can't get to the passer. If he could, then he'd be a rush end.

You saw what this D did last year with a bunch of guys who couldn't get to the passer. 11 can get to the passer, and so can AQM. That is what this defense needs.

Shayon Green isnt a bad player though????

Sure he is. Watch the games and quit quoting his tackle stats to me where he humped piles 10 yards down the field. He'll be decent as a bit player and an emotional leader this year. That'll be a role in which he will excel.

I dont have to quote stats.... those plays 10 yards up field were made b/c he had too when other players along the dline and at the lb position where either out of position or constantly getting washed out of the play.

He was the only d-lineman holding the point of attack and thats why the coaches like him and thats his job... the d-end position isnt only about getting sacks. He didnt have the step to get a sack last year b/c he wasnt yet fully healthy from his knee injury. I expect him to get a couple sacks this year but thats not his job, his main job is to contain and stop the run.

 

[Udaman]

'Preciate what you do magilacuty and Udaman.

My pleasure. I appreciate when others do it so this was just my chance to reciprocate.

Having gotten home from the scrimmage, I had a chance for to reflect further on what I saw. For what it's worth:

- Offense: I did not see very much to criticize with the first team. The results speak for themselves. However, I would say that we should prepare ourselves for more streaky offensive performances. There were quite a few explosive "chunk" plays but fewer methodical drives than I would have expected. There is still a significant stepdown from Morris to Williams. Williams rattles more easily in the pocket and throws more errant passes. Crawford and Clements should be serviceable as back-ups but at least in the scrimmage I saw more upside with Clements. He is a tougher runner than Crawford.

I'll reserve the majority of my comments for the defense:

DE: We saw a lot of McCord, Gilbert and Muhammad. And while they may have been feasting on the 2nd string OL particularly in the second half they generated a good outside rush, tipped a few passes and were otherwise active. Even Kelvin Cain got in for a cameo with a tipped ball. Despite Chick's absence my impression was that this was an improved and deeper group. Gilbert was the most intriguing addition to me because he is not just quick but also polished. (If I had to compare him to a former Cane I would say Wally Ojomo heading into his senior season.)

DT: Excluding the plays were Duke duked, Porter, Pierre and Robinson were very stout against the inside run. And dare I say that the DTs helped collapse a few pockets on passing downs (moreso in the second half). I was also impressed with Kamalu. He sacked Williams once I believe and held up at the point of attack well. Renfrow got burn as well but was not memorable.

LBs: LBs were likewise good defending the run but continue to be non-existent against the TE in the flats and the RB screen. Gaines was his usual steady self. Perryman got a lot of burn even in the second half when Gaines had taken off the pads. Figatron had some nasty tackles on Crawford and Clements and (I believe) he's the one who sent Mo Hagens to the bench. Other than that, did not see many LB plays that stood out.

CBs: A competent but unspectacular performance from this group. At one point I noticed Crawford actually picked up Duke motioning out of the backfield on a designed wheel route (where has that been the past few years?). And TH3 contested a few balls. But the CB that stood out the most was Artie Burns. He tackles with authority and he made a great break on a well-placed pass to Herb Waters from Morris to bat it away. What our CBs cannot do is run stride for stride with Phillip Dorsett on a go route for 50 yards. Which means they need safety help and...

Safeties are a **** show. Bush did not play but was suited up. KC, Highsmith and Rayshawn got the majority of the snaps. And the combination of Hurns, Coley and Lewis out of the slot abused them. This is partially a function of the quality of the receivers but as others have noted a sign that we are still deficient here. Jamal Carter got in towards the end of the game and wrapped up well on a tackle of Clements but if that was the only memorable play from the safety position then we are in trouble.

Hope this is of help for those that weren't there. August 30th can't come soon enough. Go Canes!