Thoughts on the end of the Golden era

[donnybrah]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch?

It's just you.

There are much better candidates this cycle.

Maybe so, but I still think Miami requires a different type of coach. Can't stomach another hiring of a non-major college coach who has to compete with Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina schools to get players. There's nothing like recruiting Florida.

 

[Torocane]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch? I just don't see Chuck going to college. I feel like he's planted himself in the NFL and will likely be the #1 candidate for any team looking to hire this year. My guess is Chuck goes to the Eagles(if Chip overstays his welcome and the Eagles fizzle out the rest of the year), Bucs(hey, a coaching job with a potential top 5 pick and a QB who could end up being a decent NFL starter, why not?), Lions(figure this is a good time to point out that they stink but this is a heavily talented team).

Schiano is iffy. Great recruiter, shady guy, hasn't been in college in a few years. I'm sure he'd love the job. Don't think Miami would love to have him.

Mario Cristobal... varied levels of success at a not-so-big conference school. Miami experience, can recruit the area. Can he sell Miami? Probably. Will he be the #1 go-to? Nope. Think he'll end up elsewhere.

Chud would be a good coach, for sure. Will he bring the bravado everyone seems to think the college needs? Probably not the big name everyone wants to hear. Chud's got the offensive skills and man, does he have a load of experience coaching under NFL coaching studs.

Fuente is a name I want to hear Miami taking interest in. Guy's got a team that has the high quality recruits stolen from him by **** near everyone, yet he's still out here beating Ole Miss, who has studs all over their team.

Herman not so much. Think he's just a product of the Texas talent needing a place to play, and him having little competition. Houston should be a successful team. They can recruit the entire state of Texas and provide them an in-state place to play, in a big city. Don't get me wrong, he's doing a good job. Just not a Miami guy. Both Fuente and Herman bring up Golden again and although Golden is a great guy, he couldn't coach this team to what is expected.

I just think the coaching situation for Miami is **** poor right now. Thoughts?

"Both Fuente and Herman bring up Golden again and although Golden is a great guy, he couldn't coach this team to what is expected."

Wrong! Fuente has accomplished WAY more than Golden ever did at Temple.
As in actual accomplishments. As in actually beating teams he is not supposed too. As in winning bowl game etc,etc.

 

[FullyERicht]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch?

It's just you.

There are much better candidates this cycle.

Maybe so, but I still think Miami requires a different type of coach. Can't stomach another hiring of a non-major college coach who has to compete with Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina schools to get players. There's nothing like recruiting Florida.

SMFH another potato with the recruiting nonsense.

This isn't a chicken or egg thing anymore guys. You have to hire a guy who can win with what you have. If he does, recruits line up. It's not that complicated actually.

 

[donnybrah]

I just think you have to go with a coach with a proven pedigree of coaching teams to win big games. In college. Pagano hasn't coached college since 2000. Fuente has had bad years, starting to get his team together, but what does that mean when you don't play big games? Same with Herman, he can get talented players to fall in his lap when the big schools say they don't want them. It's not like that in Florida. There's so much complication in Florida.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch? I just don't see Chuck going to college. I feel like he's planted himself in the NFL and will likely be the #1 candidate for any team looking to hire this year. My guess is Chuck goes to the Eagles(if Chip overstays his welcome and the Eagles fizzle out the rest of the year), Bucs(hey, a coaching job with a potential top 5 pick and a QB who could end up being a decent NFL starter, why not?), Lions(figure this is a good time to point out that they stink but this is a heavily talented team).

Schiano is iffy. Great recruiter, shady guy, hasn't been in college in a few years. I'm sure he'd love the job. Don't think Miami would love to have him.

Mario Cristobal... varied levels of success at a not-so-big conference school. Miami experience, can recruit the area. Can he sell Miami? Probably. Will he be the #1 go-to? Nope. Think he'll end up elsewhere.

Chud would be a good coach, for sure. Will he bring the bravado everyone seems to think the college needs? Probably not the big name everyone wants to hear. Chud's got the offensive skills and man, does he have a load of experience coaching under NFL coaching studs.

Fuente is a name I want to hear Miami taking interest in. Guy's got a team that has the high quality recruits stolen from him by **** near everyone, yet he's still out here beating Ole Miss, who has studs all over their team.

Herman not so much. Think he's just a product of the Texas talent needing a place to play, and him having little competition. Houston should be a successful team. They can recruit the entire state of Texas and provide them an in-state place to play, in a big city. Don't get me wrong, he's doing a good job. Just not a Miami guy. Both Fuente and Herman bring up Golden again and although Golden is a great guy, he couldn't coach this team to what is expected.

I just think the coaching situation for Miami is **** poor right now. Thoughts?

We need to kill this rumor that he had any success. One 8 win season in a lower conference in six years is not success. None of those teams had south florida recruits either. Right after his 8 win season, he had a 3 win season. Meaning, the 8 win season was his ceiling and it was the exception not the rule. Mario was fired from FIU for a reason. Everybody acts like he was done wrong but in his sixth season he won 3 games. That is not success and he would be the final nail in the coffin for this program

 

[donnybrah]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch?

It's just you.

There are much better candidates this cycle.

Maybe so, but I still think Miami requires a different type of coach. Can't stomach another hiring of a non-major college coach who has to compete with Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina schools to get players. There's nothing like recruiting Florida.

SMFH another potato with the recruiting nonsense.

This isn't a chicken or egg thing anymore guys. You have to hire a guy who can win with what you have. If he does, recruits line up. It's not that complicated actually.

If you reread what I said, that's pretty much exactly what I said in different terms. You need a coach that can get the talent together, not a non-major conference coach.

 

[FullyERicht]

I just think you have to go with a coach with a proven pedigree of coaching teams to win big games. In college. Pagano hasn't coached college since 2000. Fuente has had bad years, starting to get his team together, but what does that mean when you don't play big games? Same with Herman, he can get talented players to fall in his lap when the big schools say they don't want them. It's not like that in Florida. There's so much complication in Florida.

Wait so now it's coaching pedigree? So an NFL coach isn't good enough? Is there a higher league I'm not aware of?

Do you understand my previous post??? You don't recruit first and then win. It doesn't work that way. You have to have a coach come in and win quickly, and then recruiting takes care of itself. An elite coach would win 9-10 games with our team next year. Then kids would line up to play for him. It's really that simple.

 

[donnybrah]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch? I just don't see Chuck going to college. I feel like he's planted himself in the NFL and will likely be the #1 candidate for any team looking to hire this year. My guess is Chuck goes to the Eagles(if Chip overstays his welcome and the Eagles fizzle out the rest of the year), Bucs(hey, a coaching job with a potential top 5 pick and a QB who could end up being a decent NFL starter, why not?), Lions(figure this is a good time to point out that they stink but this is a heavily talented team).

Schiano is iffy. Great recruiter, shady guy, hasn't been in college in a few years. I'm sure he'd love the job. Don't think Miami would love to have him.

Mario Cristobal... varied levels of success at a not-so-big conference school. Miami experience, can recruit the area. Can he sell Miami? Probably. Will he be the #1 go-to? Nope. Think he'll end up elsewhere.

Chud would be a good coach, for sure. Will he bring the bravado everyone seems to think the college needs? Probably not the big name everyone wants to hear. Chud's got the offensive skills and man, does he have a load of experience coaching under NFL coaching studs.

Fuente is a name I want to hear Miami taking interest in. Guy's got a team that has the high quality recruits stolen from him by **** near everyone, yet he's still out here beating Ole Miss, who has studs all over their team.

Herman not so much. Think he's just a product of the Texas talent needing a place to play, and him having little competition. Houston should be a successful team. They can recruit the entire state of Texas and provide them an in-state place to play, in a big city. Don't get me wrong, he's doing a good job. Just not a Miami guy. Both Fuente and Herman bring up Golden again and although Golden is a great guy, he couldn't coach this team to what is expected.

I just think the coaching situation for Miami is **** poor right now. Thoughts?

We need to kill this rumor that he had any success. One 8 win season in a lower conference in six years is not success. None of those teams had south florida recruits either. Right after his 8 win season, he had a 3 win season. Meaning, the 8 win season was his ceiling and it was the exception not the rule. Mario was fired from FIU for a reason. Everybody acts like he was done wrong but in his sixth season he won 3 games. That is not success and he would be the final nail in the coffin for this program

I guess that's true. He's seeing real success coaching now and he's gonna get a job somewhere. Pretty much guaranteed.

 

[FullyERicht]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch?

It's just you.

There are much better candidates this cycle.

Maybe so, but I still think Miami requires a different type of coach. Can't stomach another hiring of a non-major college coach who has to compete with Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina schools to get players. There's nothing like recruiting Florida.

SMFH another potato with the recruiting nonsense.

This isn't a chicken or egg thing anymore guys. You have to hire a guy who can win with what you have. If he does, recruits line up. It's not that complicated actually.

If you reread what I said, that's pretty much exactly what I said in different terms. You need a coach that can get the talent together, not a non-major conference coach.

wtf do you mean get the talent together? Do you mean recruit? If Tom Herman came here and we are scoring 50 points a game, we will have any recruit we want. Do you not understand this?

 

[donnybrah]

I just think you have to go with a coach with a proven pedigree of coaching teams to win big games. In college. Pagano hasn't coached college since 2000. Fuente has had bad years, starting to get his team together, but what does that mean when you don't play big games? Same with Herman, he can get talented players to fall in his lap when the big schools say they don't want them. It's not like that in Florida. There's so much complication in Florida.

Wait so now it's coaching pedigree? So an NFL coach isn't good enough? Is there a higher league I'm not aware of?

Do you understand my previous post??? You don't recruit first and then win. It doesn't work that way. You have to have a coach come in and win quickly, and then recruiting takes care of itself. An elite coach would win 9-10 games with our team next year. Then kids would line up to play for him. It's really that simple.

I don't see Pagano being a potential candidate for the job. All I'm saying here. He's an NFL coach to stay. Maybe you didn't understand what I said. He's not going to coach Miami and the chances are he won't be fired in Indy.

 

[FullyERicht]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch? I just don't see Chuck going to college. I feel like he's planted himself in the NFL and will likely be the #1 candidate for any team looking to hire this year. My guess is Chuck goes to the Eagles(if Chip overstays his welcome and the Eagles fizzle out the rest of the year), Bucs(hey, a coaching job with a potential top 5 pick and a QB who could end up being a decent NFL starter, why not?), Lions(figure this is a good time to point out that they stink but this is a heavily talented team).

Schiano is iffy. Great recruiter, shady guy, hasn't been in college in a few years. I'm sure he'd love the job. Don't think Miami would love to have him.

Mario Cristobal... varied levels of success at a not-so-big conference school. Miami experience, can recruit the area. Can he sell Miami? Probably. Will he be the #1 go-to? Nope. Think he'll end up elsewhere.

Chud would be a good coach, for sure. Will he bring the bravado everyone seems to think the college needs? Probably not the big name everyone wants to hear. Chud's got the offensive skills and man, does he have a load of experience coaching under NFL coaching studs.

Fuente is a name I want to hear Miami taking interest in. Guy's got a team that has the high quality recruits stolen from him by **** near everyone, yet he's still out here beating Ole Miss, who has studs all over their team.

Herman not so much. Think he's just a product of the Texas talent needing a place to play, and him having little competition. Houston should be a successful team. They can recruit the entire state of Texas and provide them an in-state place to play, in a big city. Don't get me wrong, he's doing a good job. Just not a Miami guy. Both Fuente and Herman bring up Golden again and although Golden is a great guy, he couldn't coach this team to what is expected.

I just think the coaching situation for Miami is **** poor right now. Thoughts?

We need to kill this rumor that he had any success. One 8 win season in a lower conference in six years is not success. None of those teams had south florida recruits either. Right after his 8 win season, he had a 3 win season. Meaning, the 8 win season was his ceiling and it was the exception not the rule. Mario was fired from FIU for a reason. Everybody acts like he was done wrong but in his sixth season he won 3 games. That is not success and he would be the final nail in the coffin for this program

I guess that's true. He's seeing real success coaching now and he's gonna get a job somewhere. Pretty much guaranteed.

Jesus another mouthbreather sorry LuCane but I can't deal with these folks.

He's the OL coach for a team whose fans hate the OL coach. He is a MISERABLE, TERRIBLE coach. Saban brought him there to be his South Florida bagman. That's all.

 

[Paranos]

Here are my thoughts on what the new Staff will look like. An expect Mario Cristobal to be named the head coach but he will told that he needs to hire two killer DC's and a helluva of support staff; all for a reasonable sum (due to having to pay Al Golden's buyout)

I agree with Dmoney on the fact Miami needs to build a solid very well coached defense, which is why I think he reaches out Dave Aranda from Wisconsin. Aranda recruits Florida for Wisconsin an in 2 years has made tremendous enroads into Florida High school recruting. Aranda is also the first one to tell you that he sometimes does make a misjudgement in dline player evaluation an he needs to get better, which is something Cristobal can help with. Aranda's defense bring pressure on almost every play.

HC= Cristobal ($1.5 Million)
DC/Assoc HC = Dave Aranda ($750K)
LB Coach = Scott McCurley (Currently the Green Bay Packers asst LB Coach)($225K)
DL = Kevin Patrick ($200K)
DB = Hurley Brown (current Salary plus 10% retention bonus)

OC= Ken Dorsey (currently the Carolina Panthers QB Coach - has made Cam Newton into a Pro Style QB, which is a minor miracle)($500K)
WR =Kevin Beard (current Salary plus 15% retention bonus)
OL = Art Kehoe (yes he stays and between him and Mario they can fix the Oline performance problem overnight)(current Salary)
TE/Assoc HC = Larry Scott (current Salary plus 25% retention bonus)
RB = Ice Harris ( he stays because he can learn a lot from Ken Dorsey)(current Salary plus 15% retention bonus)

This is not a **** staff but they are a high quality staff with strong Miami ties and a lot of NFL experience that will translate into results quickly. An most importantly it is a staff Miami can afford. Both Coordinators would bring a tremendous amount of X's and O's knowledge an proven ability to implement that knowledge. Cristobal would just need to be a good CEO an set the direction of the program then step out of the way using what he learned under Nick Saban these last 2 years.

Go Canes

You are ****ing hopeless. Just surprised you didn't throw in Bob Stitt as offensive coordinator.

And for the record Bob Stitt's offense would be killer at Miami and you know it, so don't be a A-hole. I don't College Head Coaches and NFL coordinators calling your keyboard tough guy butt for advice, but surprise surprise they call Bob Stitt.

As for the rest of the coaches please feel free to elaborate on why each coach would not be a good hire.

Go Canes

Go Canes

 

[donnybrah]

It's just you.

There are much better candidates this cycle.

Maybe so, but I still think Miami requires a different type of coach. Can't stomach another hiring of a non-major college coach who has to compete with Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina schools to get players. There's nothing like recruiting Florida.

SMFH another potato with the recruiting nonsense.

This isn't a chicken or egg thing anymore guys. You have to hire a guy who can win with what you have. If he does, recruits line up. It's not that complicated actually.

If you reread what I said, that's pretty much exactly what I said in different terms. You need a coach that can get the talent together, not a non-major conference coach.

wtf do you mean get the talent together? Do you mean recruit? If Tom Herman came here and we are scoring 50 points a game, we will have any recruit we want. Do you not understand this?

So you expect Miami to drop 50 on Clemson and FSU with Tom Herman as the coach? You're thinking unrealistically here. He's dropping 50 on the Tulane's of the world, not the ACC.

 

[FullyERicht]

Maybe so, but I still think Miami requires a different type of coach. Can't stomach another hiring of a non-major college coach who has to compete with Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina schools to get players. There's nothing like recruiting Florida.

SMFH another potato with the recruiting nonsense.

This isn't a chicken or egg thing anymore guys. You have to hire a guy who can win with what you have. If he does, recruits line up. It's not that complicated actually.

If you reread what I said, that's pretty much exactly what I said in different terms. You need a coach that can get the talent together, not a non-major conference coach.

wtf do you mean get the talent together? Do you mean recruit? If Tom Herman came here and we are scoring 50 points a game, we will have any recruit we want. Do you not understand this?

So you expect Miami to drop 50 on Clemson and FSU with Tom Herman as the coach? You're thinking unrealistically here. He's dropping 50 on the Tulane's of the world, not the ACC.

And at Miami his talent level would be ten times what he has at Houston, immediately.

And I don't know about FSU and Clemson, but he'd crush every other horrible team we play, IMMEDIATELY.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch?

It's just you.

There are much better candidates this cycle.

Maybe so, but I still think Miami requires a different type of coach. Can't stomach another hiring of a non-major college coach who has to compete with Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina schools to get players. There's nothing like recruiting Florida.

This is so overblown.

Assistants do most of the recruiting. Hire a good staff, and more importantly, WIN.

We have good recruiters on our current staff, but we're losing out on some of the big names because we haven't won 10 games in 12 years.

 

[donnybrah]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch? I just don't see Chuck going to college. I feel like he's planted himself in the NFL and will likely be the #1 candidate for any team looking to hire this year. My guess is Chuck goes to the Eagles(if Chip overstays his welcome and the Eagles fizzle out the rest of the year), Bucs(hey, a coaching job with a potential top 5 pick and a QB who could end up being a decent NFL starter, why not?), Lions(figure this is a good time to point out that they stink but this is a heavily talented team).

Schiano is iffy. Great recruiter, shady guy, hasn't been in college in a few years. I'm sure he'd love the job. Don't think Miami would love to have him.

Mario Cristobal... varied levels of success at a not-so-big conference school. Miami experience, can recruit the area. Can he sell Miami? Probably. Will he be the #1 go-to? Nope. Think he'll end up elsewhere.

Chud would be a good coach, for sure. Will he bring the bravado everyone seems to think the college needs? Probably not the big name everyone wants to hear. Chud's got the offensive skills and man, does he have a load of experience coaching under NFL coaching studs.

Fuente is a name I want to hear Miami taking interest in. Guy's got a team that has the high quality recruits stolen from him by **** near everyone, yet he's still out here beating Ole Miss, who has studs all over their team.

Herman not so much. Think he's just a product of the Texas talent needing a place to play, and him having little competition. Houston should be a successful team. They can recruit the entire state of Texas and provide them an in-state place to play, in a big city. Don't get me wrong, he's doing a good job. Just not a Miami guy. Both Fuente and Herman bring up Golden again and although Golden is a great guy, he couldn't coach this team to what is expected.

I just think the coaching situation for Miami is **** poor right now. Thoughts?

We need to kill this rumor that he had any success. One 8 win season in a lower conference in six years is not success. None of those teams had south florida recruits either. Right after his 8 win season, he had a 3 win season. Meaning, the 8 win season was his ceiling and it was the exception not the rule. Mario was fired from FIU for a reason. Everybody acts like he was done wrong but in his sixth season he won 3 games. That is not success and he would be the final nail in the coffin for this program

I guess that's true. He's seeing real success coaching now and he's gonna get a job somewhere. Pretty much guaranteed.

Jesus another mouthbreather sorry LuCane but I can't deal with these folks.

He's the OL coach for a team whose fans hate the OL coach. He is a MISERABLE, TERRIBLE coach. Saban brought him there to be his South Florida bagman. That's all.

Alabama has had OL struggles this year. Yeah, that's a definite. They also outplayed Wisconsin and A&M's lines.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

Maybe so, but I still think Miami requires a different type of coach. Can't stomach another hiring of a non-major college coach who has to compete with Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina schools to get players. There's nothing like recruiting Florida.

SMFH another potato with the recruiting nonsense.

This isn't a chicken or egg thing anymore guys. You have to hire a guy who can win with what you have. If he does, recruits line up. It's not that complicated actually.

If you reread what I said, that's pretty much exactly what I said in different terms. You need a coach that can get the talent together, not a non-major conference coach.

wtf do you mean get the talent together? Do you mean recruit? If Tom Herman came here and we are scoring 50 points a game, we will have any recruit we want. Do you not understand this?

So you expect Miami to drop 50 on Clemson and FSU with Tom Herman as the coach? You're thinking unrealistically here. He's dropping 50 on the Tulane's of the world, not the ACC.

Well his offense dropped 42 in the national championship with a third string QB last year.

 

[FullyERicht]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch?

It's just you.

There are much better candidates this cycle.

Maybe so, but I still think Miami requires a different type of coach. Can't stomach another hiring of a non-major college coach who has to compete with Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina schools to get players. There's nothing like recruiting Florida.

This is so overblown.

Assistants do most of the recruiting. Hire a good staff, and more importantly, WIN.

We have good recruiters on our current staff, but we're losing out on some of the big names because we haven't won 10 games in 12 years.

The simps cannot put 2 and 2 together on this one.

To them, they want the Cuban Randy Shannon. B/c after three failed regimes in a row, yet the most NFL players outside of LSU, they STILL haven't figured out what the problem is.

 

[CanesAreAble]

So you expect Miami to drop 50 on Clemson and FSU with Tom Herman as the coach? You're thinking unrealistically here. He's dropping 50 on the Tulane's of the world, not the ACC.

He dropped 34 in a win at Louisville with AAC talent.

 

[FullyERicht]

Ok donnybrah, just come on out and say what you want to. Instead of trashing Herman, Fuente, and Pagano, just come on out and say you want Mario as HC b/c you and he both hate Fidel. Go on it's ok, we already know.