Thoughts on the end of the Golden era

[The Franchise]

1)Do you have any idea of their price range?
2)If Kaaya isn't ready, what do you think of shirreff?

1) No
2) I love Shirreffs. He is much closer to Kaaya than Rosier in terms of talent. Huge, surprisingly athletic and smart with good passing ability.

I get the feeling Shirreffs would remind Fuente of Paxton Lynch.

 

[canesupremacy]

Any one that wants Pagano clearly doesnt watch the Colts. They are last in the league on offensive penalties, always under prepared and lost. The colts are benefiting from a very bad afc south the last 4 yrs.

 

[Canesbball]

Herman is too much of a rising star to pass on regardless of his history with dual threat QB's.

IMO you have to be competitive salary wise as we'll likely be competing with USCe for these guys. I don't see USC taking a flyer on a guy out of the AAC when they can go out and get NFL level guys.


Pagano has a mega corch demeanor IMO. Do not want. I don't think he's a college coach.

 

[deleted3746]

SMH paranos, holy **** man.

 

[Cribby]

Here are my thoughts on what the new Staff will look like. An expect Mario Cristobal to be named the head coach but he will told that he needs to hire two killer DC's and a helluva of support staff; all for a reasonable sum (due to having to pay Al Golden's buyout)

I agree with Dmoney on the fact Miami needs to build a solid very well coached defense, which is why I think he reaches out Dave Aranda from Wisconsin. Aranda recruits Florida for Wisconsin an in 2 years has made tremendous enroads into Florida High school recruting. Aranda is also the first one to tell you that he sometimes does make a misjudgement in dline player evaluation an he needs to get better, which is something Cristobal can help with. Aranda's defense bring pressure on almost every play.

HC= Cristobal ($1.5 Million)
DC/Assoc HC = Dave Aranda ($750K)
LB Coach = Scott McCurley (Currently the Green Bay Packers asst LB Coach)($225K)
DL = Kevin Patrick ($200K)
DB = Hurley Brown (current Salary plus 10% retention bonus)

OC= Ken Dorsey (currently the Carolina Panthers QB Coach - has made Cam Newton into a Pro Style QB, which is a minor miracle)($500K)
WR =Kevin Beard (current Salary plus 15% retention bonus)
OL = Art Kehoe (yes he stays and between him and Mario they can fix the Oline performance problem overnight)(current Salary)
TE/Assoc HC = Larry Scott (current Salary plus 25% retention bonus)
RB = Ice Harris ( he stays because he can learn a lot from Ken Dorsey)(current Salary plus 15% retention bonus)

This is not a **** staff but is a high quality staff with strong Miami ties and a lot of NFL experience that will translate into results quickly. An most importantly it is a staff Miami can afford.

Go Canes

I will kill myself if that's the staff.

 

[LuCane]

Lu, I don't understand the Pagano love. Help me out.

If the people who can't get over their issues with Butch get their way, I think Pagano is the closest approach to what we'd see with Butch. I don't prefer it, as it's increased risk, but I'm commenting on what I envision is most likely. I'm more intrigued by Hue Jackson than I am Coach Pagano. And, I'm far more intrigued by the two up and comers. Both have that Patterson and Sumlin vibe to them.

If I'm the one doing the hiring, I interview Justin Fuente no matter what. Really curious what he envisions as the HBC at Miami. I'll tell you what I envision with Kaaya and Allison as his QBs...

Pain. For the ACC.

IMO, Pagano doesn't bring anything elite to the table.

We have a huge advantage being in SFla that it is about time we take advantage of. We haven't done it in over 10 years. He we need to interview Herman and Fuente, if we don't its a failure.

- I think you're looking at a guy who's likely to recruit and assess talent with the same system Butch would.
- I think you're looking at a guy who'd turn over an offense to someone the way Butch did with Chud. A Dorsey-like offensive talent, if you will.
- I think you're looking at a guy who has a very, very good idea of what an elite defense should look like and what the players needed for that defense need to be able to do.
- I can't imagine a Pagano staff without very good coaches
- The rest is a crapshoot. Like I said, it's the closest thing I can think of to Butch's approach.

Not advocating for anyone because I just don't know enough. This is a time to learn some things. Your "elite" comment is not lost on me, lol. I've written countless posts about how coaches need an elite aspect.

Good response. For me Pagano hire would be like a Chud hire. Wouldn't excite me but would a wait and see.

For me, I look at all the offensive talent that has left the last 4-5 years. Getting an offense that takes advantage and utilizes that talent would make other coaches shake in their boots. I just imagine a fast break offense with Cook, Collins, Ridley, Coley, Rudolph, etc, it wouldn't be stopped. Putting up 50 pts a game would keep those kids home.

I edited about Chud. Butch didn't turn it over to him, but did turn over an offense. I was alluding to the likelihood of a young guy with talent, like Chud when he came over, being on Pagano's staff.

I don't disagree about the offensive juggernaut option. Hence, my intrigue with Fuente and Herman.

 

[DCF in LA]

Paranos, your entire porst looks like a gigantic joke when you think Cristobal is going to accept 1.5m to be the HC here.


This is a 3 million dollar a year position now. Golden took 2 and topped out at 2.3, and he didn't have much of a resume. Whoever we hire will be far more well-regarded and will demand a salary closer in line to what other Power 5 major programs pay.


The only candidate who I could foresee cutting a deal to get hired on the cheap is Butch Davis, because he wants the job that badly and he knows he can always cash in on an extension after he wins the conference/national title. Everybody else will come at sticker price or higher. Believe that.

 

[DiegoCane]

Dave Aranda is good at least.

 

[Paranos]

@ Cribby and @ Thread Killa feel free to explain your reasoning on why that staff would not work?

Go Canes

 

[LuCane]

Any one that wants Pagano clearly doesnt watch the Colts. They are last in the league on offensive penalties, always under prepared and lost. The colts are benefiting from a very bad afc south the last 4 yrs.

I watch them. It's a mess of a situation there. All the way around. Everyone would be better off if they just end that relationship now, but the Colts are in such a ****** division and have sufficient talent that they'll still probably win their division.

I mentioned why I'd consider Pagano, but what I'd prefer we do. And, mentioned 4 other candidates I'd prefer.

 

[FullyERicht]

Lu, I don't understand the Pagano love. Help me out.

Have you heard of this thing called wikipedia? Look up his resume. Look who he coached under. Look at his defensive rankings as a DC in Baltimore. Look at his record as an NFL HC. Look at how many years and how many awesome coaches he worked for.

Then look at the resumes of college coaches who had similar backgrounds before taking their college gig. Then, if you can, find me 5 available coaches who have better resumes. When you are unable to do so, you will understand.

I posted in the other thread but he was a DC for 1 year at Baltimore, he's a career positions coach. Besides coaching at Miami, what does he bring to the table that is elite? He isn't an Xs and Os guy, he doesn't have the charisma or name. I'm just asking a question.

So running the number 3 total and scoring defense in the NFL means he isn't an X's and O's guy? He was only a DC for one year bc he immediately got hired away. You know who was an NFL DC for only 2 years? Butch Davis.

You think he doesn't have a name???? He's AN NFL HEAD COACH. Every kid who plays football, on this earth, has seen him on TV multiple times.

He has as much charisma as Butch, or Jimbo, or Saban, or Dantonio, or Patterson, or Chip Kelly. Who cares?

Let the gentlemen of the boards know that DiegoCane is an unabashed James Coley lover. Clearly, how well a man flirts matters to him.

I'm a Coley lover? I don't think I've ever said that, been pretty critical of him actually.

And again, Pagano 1 year as a DC was at 51 years old, he isn't an Xs and Os genius. Indy's D since he's taken over has been 26th, 21st, 11th, and this year dead last 31st.

Who ever said he was an X's and O's genius? What was Butch's D ranked as an NFL HC? Saban's? Carrolls? You are talking about AN NFL HEAD COACH. Nick Saban couldn't even cut it in the NFL. This guy has multiple playoff wins.

 

[Paranos]

Paranos, your entire porst looks like a gigantic joke when you think Cristobal is going to accept 1.5m to be the HC here.


This is a 3 million dollar a year position now. Golden took 2 and topped out at 2.3, and he didn't have much of a resume. Whoever we hire will be far more well-regarded and will demand a salary closer in line to what other Power 5 major programs pay.


The only candidate who I could foresee cutting a deal to get hired on the cheap is Butch Davis, because he wants the job that badly and he knows he can always cash in on an extension after he wins the conference/national title. Everybody else will come at sticker price or higher. Believe that.

I was thinking along the same lines with Mario, that he would accept the $1.5 million with a ton of incentives that would push it to $3 Million if/when he wins a league championship and makes the playoffs. Mario is making $600K now at Bama so that would double his salary with base pay deal alone. Also the next coach if there smart will know they need to pay their assistants more and also have the back end capacity for the increased salaries in years 2 and 3 that will be needed to keep them once miami starts rolling again. So that coach most likely will be willing to take less money for themselves up front in order to have an initial larger assistant coaching budget.

Not to mention it allows Miami to still make payments to Golden until the added revenue from having a winning program again kicks in.

Go Canes

 

[supacane]

We are never getting a sure thing. Michigan hired hot shot Rich Rod, Brady Hoke for good money.... Failures. They turned to Harbaugh he seem the right fit. Bama was wondering around before Saban. UF hired Muschamp, failure again. All these guys got good money.

We need a cultural fit. Who knows what Miami players look like, how they should play and act. That's what I see being the basis of all the failure. It matters. Doesnt have to have coached here before. Im leaning to an NFL guy honestly. Can't get behind Herman and Fuente. I saw Muschamp win 11 games at UF and then the bottom fell out, Sumlin also won 11. I want someone with significant experience.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Here are my thoughts on what the new Staff will look like. An expect Mario Cristobal to be named the head coach but he will told that he needs to hire two killer DC's and a helluva of support staff; all for a reasonable sum (due to having to pay Al Golden's buyout)

I agree with Dmoney on the fact Miami needs to build a solid very well coached defense, which is why I think he reaches out Dave Aranda from Wisconsin. Aranda recruits Florida for Wisconsin an in 2 years has made tremendous enroads into Florida High school recruting. Aranda is also the first one to tell you that he sometimes does make a misjudgement in dline player evaluation an he needs to get better, which is something Cristobal can help with. Aranda's defense bring pressure on almost every play.

HC= Cristobal ($1.5 Million)
DC/Assoc HC = Dave Aranda ($750K)
LB Coach = Scott McCurley (Currently the Green Bay Packers asst LB Coach)($225K)
DL = Kevin Patrick ($200K)
DB = Hurley Brown (current Salary plus 10% retention bonus)

OC= Ken Dorsey (currently the Carolina Panthers QB Coach - has made Cam Newton into a Pro Style QB, which is a minor miracle)($500K)
WR =Kevin Beard (current Salary plus 15% retention bonus)
OL = Art Kehoe (yes he stays and between him and Mario they can fix the Oline performance problem overnight)(current Salary)
TE/Assoc HC = Larry Scott (current Salary plus 25% retention bonus)
RB = Ice Harris ( he stays because he can learn a lot from Ken Dorsey)(current Salary plus 15% retention bonus)

This is not a **** staff but they are a high quality staff with strong Miami ties and a lot of NFL experience that will translate into results quickly. An most importantly it is a staff Miami can afford. Both Coordinators would bring a tremendous amount of X's and O's knowledge an proven ability to implement that knowledge. Cristobal would just need to be a good CEO an set the direction of the program then step out of the way using what he learned under Nick Saban these last 2 years.

Go Canes

You are ******* hopeless. Just surprised you didn't throw in Bob Stitt as offensive coordinator.

 

[donnybrah]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch? I just don't see Chuck going to college. I feel like he's planted himself in the NFL and will likely be the #1 candidate for any team looking to hire this year. My guess is Chuck goes to the Eagles(if Chip overstays his welcome and the Eagles fizzle out the rest of the year), Bucs(hey, a coaching job with a potential top 5 pick and a QB who could end up being a decent NFL starter, why not?), Lions(figure this is a good time to point out that they stink but this is a heavily talented team).

Schiano is iffy. Great recruiter, shady guy, hasn't been in college in a few years. I'm sure he'd love the job. Don't think Miami would love to have him.

Mario Cristobal... varied levels of success at a not-so-big conference school. Miami experience, can recruit the area. Can he sell Miami? Probably. Will he be the #1 go-to? Nope. Think he'll end up elsewhere.

Chud would be a good coach, for sure. Will he bring the bravado everyone seems to think the college needs? Probably not the big name everyone wants to hear. Chud's got the offensive skills and man, does he have a load of experience coaching under NFL coaching studs.

Fuente is a name I want to hear Miami taking interest in. Guy's got a team that has the high quality recruits stolen from him by **** near everyone, yet he's still out here beating Ole Miss, who has studs all over their team.

Herman not so much. Think he's just a product of the Texas talent needing a place to play, and him having little competition. Houston should be a successful team. They can recruit the entire state of Texas and provide them an in-state place to play, in a big city. Don't get me wrong, he's doing a good job. Just not a Miami guy. Both Fuente and Herman bring up Golden again and although Golden is a great guy, he couldn't coach this team to what is expected.

I just think the coaching situation for Miami is **** poor right now. Thoughts?

 

[CanesAreAble]

All of his QBs have been very athletic, no? You may know more about this than I do, but is there a history of Herman working with a Kaaya-like passer? If not, might be more of a curve there. Now, let me be clear: that's no reason to avoid hiring a guy like that. Just answering to the specific post about what he'd do for Kaaya and asking the subsequent question.

This is a slight concern of mine. Not enough to avoid hiring a stud like Herman, but something to think about.

I saw Meyer try to adapt to Leak and Brantley. It was awkward. They won a championship with Leak, but he was more of a game-manager. The defense and Tebow gave that team their identity.

I'm 100% fine with Herman, but I give a slight edge to Fuente because he doesn't run the QB as much.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Is it me or do all the potential candidates seem like duds outside of Butch?

It's just you.

There are much better candidates this cycle.

 

[Cribby]

@ Cribby and @ Thread Killa feel free to explain your reasoning on why that staff would not work?

Go Canes

What has chrisobal done? Nothing.

He's just a former Cane, that's all he has going to mentioned for this job.

No other school even wants him as a coordinator , better yet a HC. And tbh , I don't think he's that great of an ol coach. The line at bama has regressed since he's been there. I'm always hearing bama fans ***** about the ol and lack of pass blocking . UT was literally having *** with their ol Saturday .

This hiring would be the kill shot to the program

 

[DiegoCane]

Have you heard of this thing called wikipedia? Look up his resume. Look who he coached under. Look at his defensive rankings as a DC in Baltimore. Look at his record as an NFL HC. Look at how many years and how many awesome coaches he worked for.

Then look at the resumes of college coaches who had similar backgrounds before taking their college gig. Then, if you can, find me 5 available coaches who have better resumes. When you are unable to do so, you will understand.

I posted in the other thread but he was a DC for 1 year at Baltimore, he's a career positions coach. Besides coaching at Miami, what does he bring to the table that is elite? He isn't an Xs and Os guy, he doesn't have the charisma or name. I'm just asking a question.

So running the number 3 total and scoring defense in the NFL means he isn't an X's and O's guy? He was only a DC for one year bc he immediately got hired away. You know who was an NFL DC for only 2 years? Butch Davis.

You think he doesn't have a name???? He's AN NFL HEAD COACH. Every kid who plays football, on this earth, has seen him on TV multiple times.

He has as much charisma as Butch, or Jimbo, or Saban, or Dantonio, or Patterson, or Chip Kelly. Who cares?

Let the gentlemen of the boards know that DiegoCane is an unabashed James Coley lover. Clearly, how well a man flirts matters to him.

I'm a Coley lover? I don't think I've ever said that, been pretty critical of him actually.

And again, Pagano 1 year as a DC was at 51 years old, he isn't an Xs and Os genius. Indy's D since he's taken over has been 26th, 21st, 11th, and this year dead last 31st.

Who ever said he was an X's and O's genius? What was Butch's D ranked as an NFL HC? Saban's? Carrolls? You are talking about AN NFL HEAD COACH. Nick Saban couldn't even cut it in the NFL. This guy has multiple playoff wins.

I don't understand why you are equating NFL wins to a college sure things. They are 2 totally different animals. Pagano has coached 1 year in college since 2000.

And if you watch the Colts recently, they are a mess. Not well coached at all, their D has been pretty bad since he has been there.

Like I've said a bunch, I don't know what he brings that is elite. IMO, he also isn't a savage which is my #1 want in the next HC here.

 

[M3N]

I think Fuentes is a bigger risk then Herman.