The Work 3-16 (NFTC Edition)

[DaU83]

It's a double edged sword. You offer the guy, get the two others, awesome. You offer the guy because they two others are leveraging their talent to get their buddy an offer, then they go elsewhere and we look terrible when we have to drop the dude.

It's supposed to be a package deal tho right? If we offer Hoggins in an attempt to secure SBB and Ridley, then SBB and Ridley decide to go elsewhere...Hoggins will also most likely go elsewhere. Therefore, the staff won't have to drop him, he would have dropped us. I don't think it's a risky offer.

In the end, we either get all 3, or don't get any. How are SBB's and Ridley's grades anyway? Are they sure to qualify?

Supposedly a package deal, but like i said, it could be a ploy to get hoggins a decent offer.. and even then, it could just be to get a "Miami" offer so other bigger programs come and offer too.. I'm not a fan of these package deals, i realize it's part of the game.. but it sets a terrible precedent.

 

[frank1886]

Miami offered Chiki Valentine today.

 

[cowboycane]

It's a double edged sword. You offer the guy, get the two others, awesome. You offer the guy because they two others are leveraging their talent to get their buddy an offer, then they go elsewhere and we look terrible when we have to drop the dude.

It's supposed to be a package deal tho right? If we offer Hoggins in an attempt to secure SBB and Ridley, then SBB and Ridley decide to go elsewhere...Hoggins will also most likely go elsewhere. Therefore, the staff won't have to drop him, he would have dropped us. I don't think it's a risky offer.

In the end, we either get all 3, or don't get any. How are SBB's and Ridley's grades anyway? Are they sure to qualify?

Supposedly a package deal, but like i said, it could be a ploy to get hoggins a decent offer.. and even then, it could just be to get a "Miami" offer so other bigger programs come and offer too.. I'm not a fan of these package deals, i realize it's part of the game.. but it sets a terrible precedent.

I agree with you, but the sad reality is we have reached a crossroads and the need for SBB and Ridley outweighs the cost of offering their buddy. I rarely say that any recruit is a "must get" but we need difference makers and both of these kids are it, and as of two weeks ago were heavy leans. Pull out all the stops.

 

[TallyCane]

**** of a catch, we need to show this kid some love http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10618680

 

[wherrera8]

DMobey brought up a good point that has me so annoyed. Last year people were questioning why we didn't go after Edgar Cerenord. Yet after it is all said and done we go after Joe Brown and that other kid. We just passed up a Florida kid which is beyond me. If I have the choice between a kid from Florida vs. a kid from any if the 49 other states I'm taking the Florida kid. They are cut from a different cloth, and always ball out. Stop looking into the stars so much, evaluate then yourself.

It's similar to the NFL prospects. I always told my friends the Gator pros suck. Outside of Harvin and Haden they suck. Compare Sam Shields to Major Wright. Wright was a star and Shields was horrible here. Look at them now- pretty equal and Shields might be better. Brandon spikes vs. Collin McCarthy- same story. That list goes on and on. For every Percy Harvin there is an Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss.


That same thought process is what the staff needs to have. Offer Hoggins. Chances are Fitzpatrick isn't coming and you can always develop Hoggins.

 

[1jamaicancane]

The Hugging thing is whatever for RIGHT NOW. If its as close as I keep reading then even without him we're still in very good shape but offering him now isnt the most urgent thing we need to do. Now I agree we better offer him earlier in the game more so then late because of the rewards but not offfering him this second is not the biggest ******* deal its still March

 

[Billy D Williams]

I wish Golden was not a size freak! J. McGee's first step reminds me of, hate to say it, Warren Sapp. Great first step, can easily play at 290 and has that dogg in him already. We can't afford to lose an explosive DT playing in our backdoor literally! Hate to see any kid favoring Ohio Skate especially one from down here. What's this kid Shamar Kilby-Lane deal anyway. We got 3 great football institutions and he has Ohio Skate as a favorite! Hope we can land Tevon Coney. We gotta do a better job securing the top talent at any position from our back yard! Makes me wanna cry that we still hemorrhaging as much talent as we do. That **** gotta stop or get somebody who can!

 

[pbcup]

DMobey brought up a good point that has me so annoyed. Last year people were questioning why we didn't go after Edgar Cerenord. Yet after it is all said and done we go after Joe Brown and that other kid. We just passed up a Florida kid which is beyond me. If I have the choice between a kid from Florida vs. a kid from any if the 49 other states I'm taking the Florida kid. They are cut from a different cloth, and always ball out. Stop looking into the stars so much, evaluate then yourself.

It's similar to the NFL prospects. I always told my friends the Gator pros suck. Outside of Harvin and Haden they suck. Compare Sam Shields to Major Wright. Wright was a star and Shields was horrible here. Look at them now- pretty equal and Shields might be better. Brandon spikes vs. Collin McCarthy- same story. That list goes on and on. For every Percy Harvin there is an Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss.


That same thought process is what the staff needs to have. Offer Hoggins. Chances are Fitzpatrick isn't coming and you can always develop Hoggins.

Unless Cerenord was switching to OL, he is completely irrelevant to any conversation on Brown and Grimsley. On signing day, after getting dropped by Gibbons, Golden said he was not happy with the OL numbers. Knighton then had his issue, anyone know if he'll be back? Are you aware of any local OL available after signing day that we should have recruited? Oh, and Grimsley is from Florida. Since you're saying we should evaluate for ourselves, can you please provide your evaluations of Brown and Grimsley?
You're also going too far with your Florida or bust argument. Half the starters on our last national championship team were from out of state. On Hoggins, you compare him to the out of state Fitzpatrick, and I agree he's likely not coming and I wouldn't hold up an offer based on him, but what if he's taking the spot from a more talented south Florida kid? We are recruiting quite a few local DBs.

 

[wherrera8]

DMobey brought up a good point that has me so annoyed. Last year people were questioning why we didn't go after Edgar Cerenord. Yet after it is all said and done we go after Joe Brown and that other kid. We just passed up a Florida kid which is beyond me. If I have the choice between a kid from Florida vs. a kid from any if the 49 other states I'm taking the Florida kid. They are cut from a different cloth, and always ball out. Stop looking into the stars so much, evaluate then yourself.

It's similar to the NFL prospects. I always told my friends the Gator pros suck. Outside of Harvin and Haden they suck. Compare Sam Shields to Major Wright. Wright was a star and Shields was horrible here. Look at them now- pretty equal and Shields might be better. Brandon spikes vs. Collin McCarthy- same story. That list goes on and on. For every Percy Harvin there is an Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss.


That same thought process is what the staff needs to have. Offer Hoggins. Chances are Fitzpatrick isn't coming and you can always develop Hoggins.

Unless Cerenord was switching to OL, he is completely irrelevant to any conversation on Brown and Grimsley. On signing day, after getting dropped by Gibbons, Golden said he was not happy with the OL numbers. Knighton then had his issue, anyone know if he'll be back? Are you aware of any local OL available after signing day that we should have recruited? Oh, and Grimsley is from Florida. Since you're saying we should evaluate for ourselves, can you please provide your evaluations of Brown and Grimsley?
You're also going too far with your Florida or bust argument. Half the starters on our last national championship team were from out of state. On Hoggins, you compare him to the out of state Fitzpatrick, and I agree he's likely not coming and I wouldn't hold up an offer based on him, but what if he's taking the spot from a more talented south Florida kid? We are recruiting quite a few local DBs.

Golden may not be happy with the OL numbers but they are much much better than the DT numbers. So bringing in Joe Brown just to "be satisfied with the numbers" is ridiculous. That's called settling! I, and I'm sure a lot of others, would agree we need more DT's especially with this 2015 class isn't stacked with them. I was making an overall comparison and taking into account team needs. Those two spots, looking at the big picture, are better to use on DT's. Also, Cerenord was a top 35 player is South Florida according to D Money.

Our last National Championship team was from 2001- times have changed. Florida athletes dominate much more. Just look at how often we complain about different local players making plays for teams in big games such as FSU and Auburn in the National Championship game.

I stand by what I say: Miami guys always make better pros than UF guys.

 

[pbcup]

DMobey brought up a good point that has me so annoyed. Last year people were questioning why we didn't go after Edgar Cerenord. Yet after it is all said and done we go after Joe Brown and that other kid. We just passed up a Florida kid which is beyond me. If I have the choice between a kid from Florida vs. a kid from any if the 49 other states I'm taking the Florida kid. They are cut from a different cloth, and always ball out. Stop looking into the stars so much, evaluate then yourself.

It's similar to the NFL prospects. I always told my friends the Gator pros suck. Outside of Harvin and Haden they suck. Compare Sam Shields to Major Wright. Wright was a star and Shields was horrible here. Look at them now- pretty equal and Shields might be better. Brandon spikes vs. Collin McCarthy- same story. That list goes on and on. For every Percy Harvin there is an Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss.


That same thought process is what the staff needs to have. Offer Hoggins. Chances are Fitzpatrick isn't coming and you can always develop Hoggins.

Unless Cerenord was switching to OL, he is completely irrelevant to any conversation on Brown and Grimsley. On signing day, after getting dropped by Gibbons, Golden said he was not happy with the OL numbers. Knighton then had his issue, anyone know if he'll be back? Are you aware of any local OL available after signing day that we should have recruited? Oh, and Grimsley is from Florida. Since you're saying we should evaluate for ourselves, can you please provide your evaluations of Brown and Grimsley?
You're also going too far with your Florida or bust argument. Half the starters on our last national championship team were from out of state. On Hoggins, you compare him to the out of state Fitzpatrick, and I agree he's likely not coming and I wouldn't hold up an offer based on him, but what if he's taking the spot from a more talented south Florida kid? We are recruiting quite a few local DBs.

Golden may not be happy with the OL numbers but they are much much better than the DT numbers. So bringing in Joe Brown just to "be satisfied with the numbers" is ridiculous. That's called settling! I, and I'm sure a lot of others, would agree we need more DT's especially with this 2015 class isn't stacked with them. I was making an overall comparison and taking into account team needs. Those two spots, looking at the big picture, are better to use on DT's. Also, Cerenord was a top 35 player is South Florida according to D Money.

Our last National Championship team was from 2001- times have changed. Florida athletes dominate much more. Just look at how often we complain about different local players making plays for teams in big games such as FSU and Auburn in the National Championship game.

I stand by what I say: Miami guys always make better pros than UF guys.

I disagree on numbers. If Knighton is unable to play, we would have had 11 OL across 5 postions for the season versus 10 DL for 3 positions with 2 seniors on each side of the ball and Flowers likely to leave early. There may be more front line talent on the OL, but I think most coaches would be very concerned going into a season with only 11 OL and only returning 8 for the following year. Maybe you can do that if you have a solid walk on program, but that's not us.

I also disagree that Florida athletes dominate much more now. We just have more televised games to see how these other players are doing and a larger, more active online community to bring those players to our attention. They've always balled

Completely agree with your last comment though.

 

[wherrera8]

DMobey brought up a good point that has me so annoyed. Last year people were questioning why we didn't go after Edgar Cerenord. Yet after it is all said and done we go after Joe Brown and that other kid. We just passed up a Florida kid which is beyond me. If I have the choice between a kid from Florida vs. a kid from any if the 49 other states I'm taking the Florida kid. They are cut from a different cloth, and always ball out. Stop looking into the stars so much, evaluate then yourself.

It's similar to the NFL prospects. I always told my friends the Gator pros suck. Outside of Harvin and Haden they suck. Compare Sam Shields to Major Wright. Wright was a star and Shields was horrible here. Look at them now- pretty equal and Shields might be better. Brandon spikes vs. Collin McCarthy- same story. That list goes on and on. For every Percy Harvin there is an Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss.


That same thought process is what the staff needs to have. Offer Hoggins. Chances are Fitzpatrick isn't coming and you can always develop Hoggins.

Unless Cerenord was switching to OL, he is completely irrelevant to any conversation on Brown and Grimsley. On signing day, after getting dropped by Gibbons, Golden said he was not happy with the OL numbers. Knighton then had his issue, anyone know if he'll be back? Are you aware of any local OL available after signing day that we should have recruited? Oh, and Grimsley is from Florida. Since you're saying we should evaluate for ourselves, can you please provide your evaluations of Brown and Grimsley?
You're also going too far with your Florida or bust argument. Half the starters on our last national championship team were from out of state. On Hoggins, you compare him to the out of state Fitzpatrick, and I agree he's likely not coming and I wouldn't hold up an offer based on him, but what if he's taking the spot from a more talented south Florida kid? We are recruiting quite a few local DBs.

Golden may not be happy with the OL numbers but they are much much better than the DT numbers. So bringing in Joe Brown just to "be satisfied with the numbers" is ridiculous. That's called settling! I, and I'm sure a lot of others, would agree we need more DT's especially with this 2015 class isn't stacked with them. I was making an overall comparison and taking into account team needs. Those two spots, looking at the big picture, are better to use on DT's. Also, Cerenord was a top 35 player is South Florida according to D Money.

Our last National Championship team was from 2001- times have changed. Florida athletes dominate much more. Just look at how often we complain about different local players making plays for teams in big games such as FSU and Auburn in the National Championship game.

I stand by what I say: Miami guys always make better pros than UF guys.

I disagree on numbers. If Knighton is unable to play, we would have had 11 OL across 5 postions for the season versus 10 DL for 3 positions with 2 seniors on each side of the ball and Flowers likely to leave early. There may be more front line talent on the OL, but I think most coaches would be very concerned going into a season with only 11 OL and only returning 8 for the following year. Maybe you can do that if you have a solid walk on program, but that's not us.

I also disagree that Florida athletes dominate much more now. We just have more televised games to see how these other players are doing and a larger, more active online community to bring those players to our attention. They've always balled

Completely agree with your last comment though.

We're looking at it from two different angles. You are focusing on the numbers, and yes you are right, but I am focusing on position of need. The OL will still be solid this year, or at least it should be. The DT's have been horrible and should be a top priority.

Florida guys are all over the place. The reason you hear about them more is not just because they are on TV more. Florida guys are recruited by the best schools which happen to be on TV all the time, and those same players are always making plays for those teams. It simply isn't TV time.

 

[Canes2082]

There is a reason Ice Harris was hired and it wasn't just to be liaison between the university and high schools...

My buddies who happen to be a couple FSU fans and UF fan who follow recruiting very closely told me they are legitimately worried once we hired Ice

 

[cane since birth]

There is a reason Ice Harris was hired and it wasn't just to be liaison between the university and high schools...

My buddies who happen to be a couple FSU fans and UF fan who follow recruiting very closely told me they are legitimately worried once we hired Ice

yes they are worried about our resident twitter coach

 

[sebastian91]

Don't pretend that SoFla talent is always a 'take' or turns into something great. For every Lavante David or Skai Moore that gets away and plays well, there are many others that go somewhere else and do nothing...or worse yet, come here and do nothing.

 

[Peter Ariz]

Notes from ITU

2016 WR Dionte Mullins: hasn't heard from Miami and isn't interested...Alabama and Tennessee are his leaders

LB Dominic Sheppard: Louisville showing heavy interest...hopes to hear more from Miami

QB Torrance Gibson: not sure if he'll visit Ohio this spring, but will visit Miami for a practice

CB Rashad Fenton: grew up a Miami fan and has a Miami offer

CB/S Carlton Davis: Miami showing the most love, plans on attending a practice this week

CB Tarvarus McFadden: taking his time, says Miami is coming after him hard

RB Jordan Scarlett: 3 schools that might sway him from FAU...Miami, FSU, UCF

Fenton does not have an offer

UCF and Miami's 247 site reported he does.

They are wrong.

 

[Lingo]

It took Jimbo awhile too and even than they had a tough time too and had to build up depth like AG has to do.

 

[canesfanmpls]

I know linking this will draw mixed reviews but this is a good article which kinda confirms both what Pete says as well as 247. I was interested in finding out that Zander Bernard showed up big - and he is Gio's bro. Also I think getting top RB's out of this next class is critical. We all want that DT (no question) but let's not slip on the other positions. Let's not kid ourselves - the 305 is most famous for the skill positions.


http://sfhighschoolsports.com/2014/03/mullins-others-impress-at-miami-nftc/

 

[wherrera8]

DMobey brought up a good point that has me so annoyed. Last year people were questioning why we didn't go after Edgar Cerenord. Yet after it is all said and done we go after Joe Brown and that other kid. We just passed up a Florida kid which is beyond me. If I have the choice between a kid from Florida vs. a kid from any if the 49 other states I'm taking the Florida kid. They are cut from a different cloth, and always ball out. Stop looking into the stars so much, evaluate then yourself.

It's similar to the NFL prospects. I always told my friends the Gator pros suck. Outside of Harvin and Haden they suck. Compare Sam Shields to Major Wright. Wright was a star and Shields was horrible here. Look at them now- pretty equal and Shields might be better. Brandon spikes vs. Collin McCarthy- same story. That list goes on and on. For every Percy Harvin there is an Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss.


That same thought process is what the staff needs to have. Offer Hoggins. Chances are Fitzpatrick isn't coming and you can always develop Hoggins.

Unless Cerenord was switching to OL, he is completely irrelevant to any conversation on Brown and Grimsley. On signing day, after getting dropped by Gibbons, Golden said he was not happy with the OL numbers. Knighton then had his issue, anyone know if he'll be back? Are you aware of any local OL available after signing day that we should have recruited? Oh, and Grimsley is from Florida. Since you're saying we should evaluate for ourselves, can you please provide your evaluations of Brown and Grimsley?
You're also going too far with your Florida or bust argument. Half the starters on our last national championship team were from out of state. On Hoggins, you compare him to the out of state Fitzpatrick, and I agree he's likely not coming and I wouldn't hold up an offer based on him, but what if he's taking the spot from a more talented south Florida kid? We are recruiting quite a few local DBs.

Golden may not be happy with the OL numbers but they are much much better than the DT numbers. So bringing in Joe Brown just to "be satisfied with the numbers" is ridiculous. That's called settling! I, and I'm sure a lot of others, would agree we need more DT's especially with this 2015 class isn't stacked with them. I was making an overall comparison and taking into account team needs. Those two spots, looking at the big picture, are better to use on DT's. Also, Cerenord was a top 35 player is South Florida according to D Money.

Our last National Championship team was from 2001- times have changed. Florida athletes dominate much more. Just look at how often we complain about different local players making plays for teams in big games such as FSU and Auburn in the National Championship game.

I stand by what I say: Miami guys always make better pros than UF guys.

I disagree on numbers. If Knighton is unable to play, we would have had 11 OL across 5 postions for the season versus 10 DL for 3 positions with 2 seniors on each side of the ball and Flowers likely to leave early. There may be more front line talent on the OL, but I think most coaches would be very concerned going into a season with only 11 OL and only returning 8 for the following year. Maybe you can do that if you have a solid walk on program, but that's not us.

I also disagree that Florida athletes dominate much more now. We just have more televised games to see how these other players are doing and a larger, more active online community to bring those players to our attention. They've always balled

Completely agree with your last comment though.

Yo homie, did you see the Freddie Booth Lloyd video? There is another name I would rather have. That boy is quick!

 

[Dwinstitles]

It took Jimbo awhile too and even than they had a tough time too and had to build up depth like AG has to do.

Hes been cleaning up since year 1 as HC......there first class made them pretty much better than the whole acc talent wise imo. 2nd class they had more talent then ne 1 n there d coaches were superb. There defenses worked because of the caliber of players they recruited on the dline, n there reloading which iss cary.

 

[Joecane]

We are not going to get SBB or Ridley. ******* Christ already.