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Alabama is Miami 1980's. Who wouldn't listen to them. We have to have a win and win especially on defense to land our share of these kids. By the way for what ever reason Saban has had mixed success down here. He missed on Burns and the Homestead receiver but got the the NW reciever who is a star.
 
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Is Hoggins good enough to hold his own against some of the other corners we're recruiting; Cole, Causey, McFadden, etc.? Since SBB mentioned he was being recruited as a WR, if we did not get SBB or Ridley, but replaced them with Peete and Duronte and flipped Cole with the spot that would have gone to Hoggins, is it still worth the offer? I haven't seen any of these guys play, so I'd really like to know what those that have seen them live would prefer.

SBB, Ridley and Hoggins or Peete, Duronte and Cole

I know this is hypothetical, but so is the thought that offering Hoggins locks up Ridley and SBB. There seems to be a lot of talent at DB this year, and quite a few talented WRs as well, and with a smaller class this year is Hoggins talented enought to take one of those spots. Also, are we sure that if we do offer Hoggins they don't then say we really want to play with Player X too. They have already shown that they'll play games.
 
chicanego said:
sebastian91 said:
DMoney said:
Peter Ariz said:
Both SBB and Ridley really want to play with CB teammate Ronnie Hoggins at the next level and this person told me that if Miami offered Hoggins, that would go a long way to securing their commitment and they might have committed at their original date if Hoggins had an offer. In my opinion, if offering Hoggins meant landing those two, it is a slam-dunk no-brainer. Hoggins is a very good player in his own right and is a superb slot-corner prospect. I don’t see Miami offering though, because this staff has shown they like size at the defensive back position and Tim Irvin already fills the potential spot that Hoggins could play.
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This is what I mean when I say Miami needs to do a better job of "playing the game." Hoggins is a solid player-- undersized but tough with real offers. If offering him guarantees you SBB and Ridley (and multiple sources tell me it does), then you offer him.

We treat these offers like gold now, but then after NSD we give them away to any unsigned kid with a decent HUDL and a pulse. That's not the formula to beat FSU. Get the difference makers by any means necessary.
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Then what do we do if/when SBB and Ridley go somewhere else, for whatever reason ($EC, grades, just want to leave town)? Do we drop the offer and become guilty of the things that we criticize other coaches for doing? Or do we honor the offer and possibly get stuck with a kid who maybe doesn't fit? What you're proposing is a dangerous precedent to set, ESPECIALLY with SoFla kids. Don't believe for a second that these kids and their 'mentors' don't have their own ways of 'playing' coaches. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I am saying that "playing the game" goes both ways and can bite you in the *** down the road.
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Offering Hoggins and honoring that commitment (regardless as to where Ridley and SBB end up) cannot be any worse than bringing in Joe Brown on a scholarship.

If it can potentially help in landing those two, you make the offer, period.

I know you seem to believe that recruiting doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but when you don't run a "system" like Oregon and have a munch of dopey idiots on the sidelines who cannot grasp X's and O's or in-game adjustments, you need to have a talent advantage.

And nice little "just want to leave town" reference. Here's not a novel concept: How about trying to convince kids that staying home is a better alternative to leaving town?
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Recruiting doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things? Explain please.

Trying to convince kids to stay home isn't as easy as everyone thinks it is. You don't think every Miami staff in the last 40 years has tried to keep local kids home?

We have no clue at this point whether offering Hoggins is the right thing to do, or whether bringing in Joe Brown was a mistake or not. I don't know what the answer is. If it helps bring in SBB (it sounds like Ridley might never be able to get in anyway), then great. If SBB plays the coaches and ditches them at the last second, and Hoggins flops, all of the Madden coaches in here would be up in arms *****ing and moaning (which they'll do anyway).
 
sebastian91 said:
Recruiting doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things? Explain please.
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I am in no way, shape or form arguing that recruiting doesn't matter. Reread the statement.

Trying to convince kids to stay home isn't as easy as everyone thinks it is. You don't think every Miami staff in the last 40 years has tried to keep local kids home?

We have no clue at this point whether offering Hoggins is the right thing to do, or whether bringing in Joe Brown was a mistake or not. I don't know what the answer is. If it helps bring in SBB (it sounds like Ridley might never be able to get in anyway), then great. If SBB plays the coaches and ditches them at the last second, and Hoggins flops, all of the Madden coaches in here would be up in arms ****ing and moaning (which they'll do anyway).
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I am not arguing we need to keep everyone at home, but we need to improve the hit rate.

Despite the fact no Miami staff has ever succeeded in keeping all of the local studs at UM, this staff needs to rely on recruiting top-tier talent more than previous regimes.

Erickson brought X's and O's. Davis had a supreme eye for talent.

Golden, well, doesn't really bring anything. He's a good politician, but from a coaching perspective, doesn't really excel at anything.

Because of this, Miami needs elite talent to overcome coaching deficiencies.

This is why people ***** when guys like Thomas and Cook end up at FSU and others leave for different schools.
 
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I will continue hoping the best for my beloved Miami Hurricanes. If we take care of biz on the field, we should land at least another top ten class.
 
I do enjoy tuning into the insight on this particular site but isnt offerring a kid like Hoggins hoping he'll reel in SBB and Ridley for us, him waiting till signing day and us getting burned risky? I mean I realize Pete and Money are wayy more in tuned with the SFLA recruiting scene than I am but who's to say this kid really like UM the way he shows? Wanting an offer from your hometown school and Duke Johnson loyalty are two different things. Just because he would love to have a UM offer doesn't mean he wants to be at UM. Like I said some of you guys are more familiar with the recruiting scene down there than I am, I only come visit on Spring Break so what do I know. I just think it would be a risky move and a reach. DMoney talked about how reaching for recruits post SD isn't the way to go I would argue reaching for a package deal isn't either..
 
Funny as **** when posters bring up guys who never really wanted to come to UM in every recruiting thread..*beating the **** out of a dead horse*..I'm from freakin Maryland and could tell you those kids didn't really wanna go the U lmao
 
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I look forward to us offering Hoggins in Mid January 2015 after we've been burned by the other more "elite" corners.
 
It's a double edged sword. You offer the guy, get the two others, awesome. You offer the guy because they two others are leveraging their talent to get their buddy an offer, then they go elsewhere and we look terrible when we have to drop the dude.
 
Notes from ITU

2016 WR Dionte Mullins: hasn't heard from Miami and isn't interested...Alabama and Tennessee are his leaders

LB Dominic Sheppard: Louisville showing heavy interest...hopes to hear more from Miami

QB Torrance Gibson: not sure if he'll visit Ohio this spring, but will visit Miami for a practice

CB Rashad Fenton: grew up a Miami fan and has a Miami offer

CB/S Carlton Davis: Miami showing the most love, plans on attending a practice this week

CB Tarvarus McFadden: taking his time, says Miami is coming after him hard

RB Jordan Scarlett: 3 schools that might sway him from FAU...Miami, FSU, UCF
 
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Notes from ITU

2016 WR Dionte Mullins: hasn't heard from Miami and isn't interested...Alabama and Tennessee are his leaders

LB Dominic Sheppard: Louisville showing heavy interest...hopes to hear more from Miami

QB Torrance Gibson: not sure if he'll visit Ohio this spring, but will visit Miami for a practice

CB Rashad Fenton: grew up a Miami fan and has a Miami offer

CB/S Carlton Davis: Miami showing the most love, plans on attending a practice this week

CB Tarvarus McFadden: taking his time, says Miami is coming after him hard

RB Jordan Scarlett: 3 schools that might sway him from FAU...Miami, FSU, UCF
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Fenton does not have an offer
 
Top 10 performers per 247

1. Tyrek Cole, CB, Miramar (Fla.) - Florida State commit

His Twitter handle is @Cole_Island. At this event the cover cornerback more than lived up to his social media labeling. It was his show. He shut down all comers, not allowing any catches and made a sensational interception on a post route to highlight a stellar day of one-on-ones. Cole proved again that he’s one of the nation’s elite cover guys blanketing wideouts with his elite quickness, rangy frame and high-level instincts for the position. Cole listed Miami and Alabama as the number two and three schools to Florida State.

2. Da’Vante Phillips, WR, Miami (Fla.) Central

Phillips continues to be on a tear this off-season. Ever since helping the Rockets to another state title in December, Phillips has worked hard this offseason and its shown on the camp and 7-on-7 circuit. He’s gotten bigger, developed and is getting consistently open on short outs and intermediate routes snatching anything that comes his way. The FSU lean has proven he’s among Florida’s best wideouts in a loaded year yet again at the position.

3. Calvin Ridley, WR, Coconut Creek (Fla.) Monarch

The four-star wideout has elite ball skills. He effortlessly hauls in everything that comes his way. Ridley has advanced hand-eye coordination, gets depth on his routes and was again among the best at another camp setting. Miami, Florida and Alabama are in the lead group for one of the nation’s top wide receiver prospects.

4. Dionte Mullins, WR, Miami (Fla.) Gulliver Prep (2016)

He stole the show offensively making not one but two acrobatic grabs. The first was a headfirst dive where he sold out horizontally to haul in a 20-yard gain. The second was a one-hander on his back after torqueing his body. Mullins already has over double-digit offers. He may not have elite size (5-11) or speed but makes up for it with his ball skills. Auburn and Tennessee are in good shape early on.

5. Jovon Durante, WR, Miami (Fla.) Norland - West Virginia commit

The fastest of the fast receivers in south Florida. His breaks within routes are seamless and few, if any wideouts in America can explode up the field as well. He’s lightning in a bottle both vertically and after the catch. An early West Virginia pledge, the U.S. Army All-American lists Auburn and Alabama as his number two and three schools. He plans to take all five official visits before announcing on National Signing Day.

6. Tevon Coney, LB, Palm Beach Gardens (Fla.)

A monster in the middle. Gets real good depth on his pass drops. Very impressive wingspan that can close passing lanes quickly. Entering the day there was some questions as which south Florida backer would emerge. Coney did that with a tremendous performance in terms of closing speed and range. Florida and Miami are pushing the hardest for the 6-foot-2, 220-pounder.

7. Lamar Jackson, QB, Boynton Beach (Fla.)

His junior film is explosive, ripping off several long zone-read runs. On this stage, Jackson showed he has zip on his throws and some accuracy as well. He was the best among the signal callers in terms of both on this occasion. Some feel he resembles Nick Marshall as a dual-threat. Jackson could be a faster version and is showing he may potentially be a better passer as well. Florida State, Oregon and West Virginia comprise Jackson’s early lead group.

8. Jordan Scarlett, RB, Fort Lauderdale (Fla.) St. Thomas Aquinas - FAU commit

He’s one of the best in Florida and in the country. Scarlett is already readymade in terms of size (5-11, 212) and packs a punch going downhill. In this event, he showcased his ability to get in and out of breaks and catches the ball effortlessly on angle and crossing routes out of the backfield. Scarlett hopes to visit Wisconsin, Ohio State and South Carolina this summer or perhaps in the fall officially. He lists Florida State and Central Florida as his number two and three schools.

9. Mark Walton, RB, Miami (Fla.) Booker T. Washington - Miami commit (2016)

Explosive. Plays fast and was a challenge for any defender in one-on-ones, 7-on-7s and anyone that got in his way at the Nike Camp. Catches the ball like a wideout and makes plays every time he’s called upon. Will be among America’s elite running back recruits next cycle. An early pledge to the Hurricanes.

10. Robert Burns, RB, Miami (Fla.) Gulliver Prep (2017)

One of the event’s youngest competitors turned out to be one of the best. The 15-year old freshman had the top SPARQ score of 118.26. The 5-foot-10, 205-pounder ran a 4.58-second 40-yard dash, had a 39.3 vertical leap, scored 45.6 in the agility and had a power ball throw of 41 feet. He’s already got film to go with it. Expect his name to skyrocket on major college radars very soon.
 
Peter Ariz said:
Thread Killa said:
Notes from ITU

2016 WR Dionte Mullins: hasn't heard from Miami and isn't interested...Alabama and Tennessee are his leaders

LB Dominic Sheppard: Louisville showing heavy interest...hopes to hear more from Miami

QB Torrance Gibson: not sure if he'll visit Ohio this spring, but will visit Miami for a practice

CB Rashad Fenton: grew up a Miami fan and has a Miami offer

CB/S Carlton Davis: Miami showing the most love, plans on attending a practice this week

CB Tarvarus McFadden: taking his time, says Miami is coming after him hard

RB Jordan Scarlett: 3 schools that might sway him from FAU...Miami, FSU, UCF
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Fenton does not have an offer
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UCF and Miami's 247 site reported he does.
 
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chicanego said:
sebastian91 said:
Recruiting doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things? Explain please.
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I am in no way, shape or form arguing that recruiting doesn't matter. Reread the statement.

Trying to convince kids to stay home isn't as easy as everyone thinks it is. You don't think every Miami staff in the last 40 years has tried to keep local kids home?

We have no clue at this point whether offering Hoggins is the right thing to do, or whether bringing in Joe Brown was a mistake or not. I don't know what the answer is. If it helps bring in SBB (it sounds like Ridley might never be able to get in anyway), then great. If SBB plays the coaches and ditches them at the last second, and Hoggins flops, all of the Madden coaches in here would be up in arms ****ing and moaning (which they'll do anyway).
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I am not arguing we need to keep everyone at home, but we need to improve the hit rate.

Despite the fact no Miami staff has ever succeeded in keeping all of the local studs at UM, this staff needs to rely on recruiting top-tier talent more than previous regimes.

Erickson brought X's and O's. Davis had a supreme eye for talent.

Golden, well, doesn't really bring anything. He's a good politician, but from a coaching perspective, doesn't really excel at anything.

Because of this, Miami needs elite talent to overcome coaching deficiencies.

This is why people ***** when guys like Thomas and Cook end up at FSU and others leave for different schools.
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I didn't say that you were arguing that recruiting doesn't matter...I want to know why you think I don't.

The rest of your post is more speculation. You don't think AG brings anything, and that's fine. I think he's already brought a lot to the program and has, at the very least, started to turn around this dumpster fire. The results on the field will tell the rest of the story going forward, but there's no doubt in my mind that we still have a long way to go. I don't know if he can complete the turn around, or if he'll have to pass it off to someone else to finish the job, but I'm not going to criticize X's and O's or say he can't coach when he was left with FAU talent, no depth, a marginal QB with no one behind him, and a high-profile NCAA investigation. I don't care if you or anyone else thinks those are excuses. As great as Butch was at identifying talent, it took him 6 years to get things turned around, and what the Coker and Shannon regimes left behind was just as bad, if not worse, than the scholly reductions Butch inherited. That's my opinion, and you're entitled to yours.
 
DaU83 said:
It's a double edged sword. You offer the guy, get the two others, awesome. You offer the guy because they two others are leveraging their talent to get their buddy an offer, then they go elsewhere and we look terrible when we have to drop the dude.
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It's supposed to be a package deal tho right? If we offer Hoggins in an attempt to secure SBB and Ridley, then SBB and Ridley decide to go elsewhere...Hoggins will also most likely go elsewhere. Therefore, the staff won't have to drop him, he would have dropped us. I don't think it's a risky offer.

In the end, we either get all 3, or don't get any. How are SBB's and Ridley's grades anyway? Are they sure to qualify?
 
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