The same finish

[mavericksouth]

I remember the AL Golden quote "you need star players, but you also need kids that shovel the coal"....he obviously failed.
I think there is an entire ecosystem system that surrounds our players that whispers in their ear. I think our failed coaches haven't beem able to control it.
JMO

That's the culture issue. You're recruiting the wrong type of players. I'm gonna get heat for this, but I would rely less on the South Florida kids. I'm not saying don't take any kids from South Florida (that would be stupid) but they should not make up 80 percent of your team. As someone who grew up in the area, football, even at the optimist/pop warner level, is driven by street agents who have selfish interests and create "me first" football kids. Tracy Howard once said this in a footballville interview a few years back. I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this, but I also don't love the youth coaching in South Florida. Not all of it (there are some good coaches), but most of the coaches aren't that intelligent themselves. A lot of these kids aren't coached well at all and simply get by based on pure athletic ability and not intelligence and fundamentals.

So, when Miami plays a team that on paper looks inferior, they often get defeated because a coach that knows how to scheme will always be able to take advantage of Miami's lack of football IQ. Jacolby George is a perfect example. Physically gifted, but he is a head case and doesn't play smart. He is a selfish player at his core (see the Syracuse incident). Miami needs a coach and/or a general manager that can find the SFLA kids that put the work in, like a Kam Kinchens, like a Restrepo, and steer clear of the divas. Then the coaching staff has to be able to develop and truly coach x's and o's. That's why I criticize Mario as a recruiter and evaluator. He chases star rankings, but he doesn't have a clear system and certain type of player that fits that system based on their work ethic and personality.

Chris Petersen, whom I have loved as a coach for a decade now, has always said, you build culture with the person first and the athlete second. Butch had this philosophy as well. That’s why he was successful. It wasn't because he picked the best athletes. Butch picked the most intelligent and coachable kids and DEVELOPED them because they could be developed. Until Miami fixes this issue, the last 20 years will continue for another 20 years.

 

[brock]

The fan base doesn't attend games and other than a select few doesn't contribute.

The fans in Florida doesn’t attend games well(although it has improved) you go to away games and Miami fans are there. I went To the ga tech game and it was a bunch of Miami fans there

 

[GOCANES05]

Agree but Mario DID in fact get Cam to come here which alot of people ( myself included ) doubted it at times. I'll freak out when fall camp starts. Don't forget we are the off season all time champs. Lol

Good point

 

[JHallCanes]

They have been trying to follow the fsu trajectory all along. They even started out with that garbage *** Bobby Bowden slogan about losing big before winning big. Went from mocking fsu about portal usage to having the portal as our only hope. We couldnt even win this garbage *** conference though.

The Mario podium punch blew by Al Goldens “are you kidding me?” like it was Zaquan Patterson

 

[ssvir]

Ok??

I attend games and I live four states away. Not every game. But a select few. I also attend games here in my state. As for not contributing, if you are buying tickets and merchandise, you contribute.

I get your point though. No argument here.

I have season tickets and contribute to the athletic department and Canes Connection and there are a loyal 25k fans that do similar but our gameday environment is *** compared to the $EC and the big B10 programs. Lots of reasons for that but at the end of the day that is part of the football experience for some recruits and its just another check in the negative column for us.

 

[ssvir]

I laugh now to hide the pain so it isn't affecting me much, still it's frustrating. We can blame the assistant coaches all day but it starts at the top. There is no "fixing" this unfortunately. We all know what needs to happen.

One assistant I will continue to rag on, because I think he's getting a free check, is Feld. I'll give him credit since we didn't have any serious injuries but our players always look undersized and slow.

 

[Hold My Beer]

@AllKindsWeather

8-31-24: Canes 41, UF 17

10-26-14: Canes 36, FSU 14

GFY loser

 

[88]

Mark Richt and Al Golden, for starters. And Manny Diaz is showing that he can do at least something right. You just can't wrap your head around the fact that our recruiting base limited everyone. Their flaw was not expanding.

Al Golden? The guy who hitched his wagon to D’onofrio for 5 years? Try again

Richt? Everyone was elated when he stepped down.

 

[mirvin88]

We are improving on multiple fronts under Cristobal but as you said, critical season in year 4. I’m okay with this year(which should have been more) but the defense has serious issues that needs to be addressed starting with Guidry who continues to have his unit look unprepared every week.

Man the things Cristobal was supposed to solidify here, roster management and talent acquisition, he’s failed at. Mario is cooked in my book. Other than bringing Cam he’s not done a **** thing.

 

[mavericksouth]

It’s a nice thought but I don’t think Bain can bulk up and be an effective DT. He’s not big enough the way he carries weight right now, he needs to lose weight not gain it

I agree. He was out of shape this season. One of the most disappointing players on the team this year in all honesty. At times, he looked pathetic out there.

 

[Squid Bumciorek]

2026 Mario will be gone

We’re running out of coaches/former players connected to the program who can be the next HC. Thank god Lashlee had success this year, otherwise Rad would only call Greg Schiano and give him the job.

 

[Squid Bumciorek]

Agree but Mario DID in fact get Cam to come here which alot of people ( myself included ) doubted it at times. I'll freak out when fall camp starts. Don't forget we are the off season all time champs. Lol

Benjamin Franklin got Cam to UM.

 

[JHallCanes]

I agree. He was out of shape this season. One of the most disappointing players on the team this year in all honesty. At times, he looked pathetic out there.

I gave some leeway given we don’t know the injury

Being injured could lead to the S&C issues if you’re not putting in the work

I don’t want to say too much there though since I don’t know but no doubt he had a sophomore slump

 

[BoxingRobes]

It is not a popular take...I've had it for years...but the end of the year bull**** is cultural and genetic. It's only coaching because we don't have qualified candidates to fix this issue, but the late season collapse is passed down from generation to generation by the players. It is what it is. Infected this program since the Coker Country Club. Terminal and malignant.

 

[TouchMoney26]

Like who? If Bain left would anyone even notice?

touche

 

[MikeyCanez]

I’d just say given the talent and NIL investments the DEs were supposed to mask the secondary concerns it was a major disappointment to me

Only one that did anything at DE was Mesidor and we had him playing DT most of the season

While I agree that the DEs were a dud (especially Baron after the way he started the season), it did feel like yesterday they were getting pressure, but Becht would just throw it to a completely wide open receiver anywhere on the field.

I am hopeful that an improved secondary and a better coached defense overall will help us get more out of Bain, etc. next season.

 

[MikeyCanez]

Outside of Cam's miracles, what was Dawson's achievement??? Nothing! Same fraud as last season.... hopefully he cashes in and moves on.

He coached a Top 25 unit nationally with a quarterback who couldn't stop throwing to the other team. I swear some of y'all prefer to just lazily yell about firing everyone instead of stopping and being realistic.

 

[caneworld]

He coached a Top 25 unit nationally with a quarterback who couldn't stop throwing to the other team. I swear some of y'all prefer to just lazily yell about firing everyone instead of stopping and being realistic.

Last year this time, his neck was on the block. Only thing that changed was Cam.... who would have made Pat Nix look like Coach Walsh..

 

[MikeyCanez]

Last year this time, his neck was on the block. Only thing that changed was Cam.... who would have made Pat Nix look like Coach Walsh..

No one was trying to get Dawson fired last year. They averaged 31 points and more than 400 yards of total offense...with TVD throwing 12 interceptions. His offenses have been great at every single one of his stops.

Please stop with the nonsense.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Coaches and players change but same results. So what’s the true issue?

Maybe it’s trying to duplicate the past vs being the future…

Coker - Miami
Randy - Miami
Golden - Not Miami - NCAA investigation
Richt - Miami
Manny - Miami
Mario - Miami

Maybe, just maybe we are our own problem. Zero success from Miami guys.

Baseball:
- Gino - Miami
- JD - Miami