The Importance Of A Demanding Base

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, just pointing out some reasons as to why people are boiling over. People don't always react to things rationally when it comes to something you love or deeply care about. The last 10 years have taken a toll on people.
Like I said, not disagreeing with you but trying to rationalize the thought process behind the vitriol.

And while Al and co have only been here for 3, the administration has been in place for the entire tenure of this downward trend. I think a lot of people are as upset or more with the administration than they are with Al, its just that Al gets the brunt of it because he's the face of the program.

I agree. I understand that people are upset, but I want them to see the damage they do by being a**hats. If you love the program, than don't hurt it.

Very true, but it is now time for the administration to also love the program and not hurt it by not putting enough in to get what we want out. The onus is squarely on them to right the ship, exponentially more than it is on the fans.

Listen, we can go at this all day long. Bottom line is the fans need to be patient and cognizant of their irresponsible behavior. You talk about the past 10 years, but how conveniently you forget about all the turnover. Do you really think that is a good thing? Words like stability and continuity are not part of our fans vocabulary. Do I want a winning program of course. The administration is doing the best job they can. On the other hand, the so-called diehard fans are negative recruiting our commits and tweeting potential recruits. They are making up rumors that our coaches are incompetent and get upset when Bethel decommits. Where the **** they do that at? That is not on Al or Shalala. Those are your so-called cane brothers. The diehard bunch, that don't support nothing.

I prefaced my original statement by saying calling out kids is wrong.
The last thing I replied to was about our administrations failure to fix this mess that is now 10 years in the making. So I don't really understand what you posted above. It appears that we are disagreeing over different things. I agree with the negative recruiting, etc that you mentioned above but that's not where I was going with this. I'm saying that to get the program right its going to take the administration to get a lot better and more dedicated to doing what's necessary to winning and becoming an elite program again. The responsibility is more on them than it is on the fans, even though I do agree that the fans of the program need to support more and go to games more and all that jazz.

What should the administration do differently? I believe that rotating coaches in and out is not the answer. Again, what do you think?

 

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

LMAO, have to love the so called fans that blame the fans for the incompetent product on the field. Good God how the mighty have truly fallen.

In case you have been living under a rock the past 15 years, we live in a social media time. Whether you believe it or not, negative recruiting is very real. Teams have done it against us and our so-called fans do the same thing. If we are losing 4 star recruits because of it, whose fault is it? It does not take scholar to understand that.

LOL, nice try. The thing is winning fixes everything. Back to the staff on that. You want to stop negative recruiting you coach up the kids you do have and give them a fighting chance to win the ****ing game. You don't sit back and give up 500+ yards on D the last what 6-7 games of the year and do nothing to change that. Your agenda driven posts will not change my mind or anyone with half a brain that sees the product on the field. Keep using that rant for fans that cant think.

Last I checked, the staff won more games than they lost. Surely, you are not that nieve to believe that our coaches did not try to fix the problem. I guess they want us to lose right? SMH. The agenda is about holding a higher standard for everyone that loves MIAMI. If our fans support our team, maybe we can have some sort of home field atmosphere instead of a practice field atmosphere on game day. Home field advantage can go along way in giving your team energy.

 

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

One question for you! Are you a season ticket holder?

Whether I pay $850 for season tickets or buy per game or give 10k to school a year what does that have to do with anything?

It matters if you actually bother to pay money to support the team and show up to games, or whether you simply sit behind your computer and complain without actually putting your money where your mouth is.

We have a lot of message board "fans" who don't give a dime, don't buy tickets, etc, but they still think UM owes them something.

I'm going to call BS on this. We are not all blessed to have well paying jobs and I'm not playing the elitist card if someone can't give like I can. A fan is a fan. I've been on these board way to long to start going down that path.

Bash the team, but complain about lack of money 8 months from the 1st game? Dang. We are talking 10-20 bucks.

 

[Wewillnotgopeacefully]

Whether I pay $850 for season tickets or buy per game or give 10k to school a year what does that have to do with anything?

It matters if you actually bother to pay money to support the team and show up to games, or whether you simply sit behind your computer and complain without actually putting your money where your mouth is.

We have a lot of message board "fans" who don't give a dime, don't buy tickets, etc, but they still think UM owes them something.

I'm going to call BS on this. We are not all blessed to have well paying jobs and I'm not playing the elitist card if someone can't give like I can. A fan is a fan. I've been on these board way to long to start going down that path.

And I'm going to call BS on your calling BS. Fans can get tickets on Stubhub for $10 for most games, and while that's obviously not going to be a big boost for the Athletic Department bank account, it would go a long way to supporting the team, making players feel appreciated, giving potential recruits a good vibe, etc.

Instead, we've got 25k fans in a 75k seat venue, and fools on message boards still whining. Again, if you don't do your part to support the team in some way, you shouldn't be ****ing and moaning when we lose out on a recruit, or have to settle for a no-name coach, etc...

I live in DC, how many games per year do I need to attend in order to meet the mandatory minimum requirement to voice my displeasure with the football program?

You got about 8 months to plan ahead. If you can't make it, than at least try to be positive with your posting. That is the least you can do if you love the program.

 

[pook187]

OP just gets it. And is a beast.

 

[decleated]

...just my 2 cents worth!

Instead of getting on fans for not donating, why don't you get on the players who played in the NFL and became millionaires?
They got a free ride at UM and some of them got drafted because they wore the U on the side of their helmet..
Unless my memory is slipping only 1 player who played in the NFL is listed in the top 3 for donations to FB program,
the other two consist of a actor and a tomato guy. Warren Sapp lives like a king and brags about it on
his instagram did he donate any money?
In 2011 Jon Beason was the highest paid middle linebacker in NFL history with a $50M dollar contract did he contribute any funds?
When fans watch the games on TV doesn't that put some money in UM pockets via TV revenues? Miami is listed several times
as one of the most watch football teams in ESPN history, not bad for a very small private university..
What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

The most-watched game in ESPN history also occurred in 2006 as an average of 6,318,000 homes tuned into
the September 4, 2006 Labor Day game between the Florida State Seminoles and the Miami Hurricanes.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

...just my 2 cents worth!

Instead of getting on fans for not donating, why don't you get on the players who played in the NFL and became millionaires?
They got a free ride at UM and some of them got drafted because they wore the U on the side of their helmet..
Unless my memory is slipping only 1 player who played in the NFL is listed in the top 3 for donations to FB program,
the other two consist of a actor and a tomato guy. Warren Sapp lives like a king and brags about it on
his instagram did he donate any money?
In 2011 Jon Beason was the highest paid middle linebacker in NFL history with a $50M dollar contract did he contribute any funds?
When fans watch the games on TV doesn't that put some money in UM pockets via TV revenues? Miami is listed several times
as one of the most watch football teams in ESPN history, not bad for a very small private university..
What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

I think the idea is that instead of blaming other people, we should each look in the mirror first. Sure, the players should be giving back to UM, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that we have ****-poor attendance in the stands, for example.

As for $$$ from TV viewership....that's kind of a reach. Each conference owns its TV contract, and all teams in the league are paid equally, so we're not getting any direct money from having high TV rankings.

 

[decleated]

...just my 2 cents worth!

Instead of getting on fans for not donating, why don't you get on the players who played in the NFL and became millionaires?
They got a free ride at UM and some of them got drafted because they wore the U on the side of their helmet..
Unless my memory is slipping only 1 player who played in the NFL is listed in the top 3 for donations to FB program,
the other two consist of a actor and a tomato guy. Warren Sapp lives like a king and brags about it on
his instagram did he donate any money?
In 2011 Jon Beason was the highest paid middle linebacker in NFL history with a $50M dollar contract did he contribute any funds?
When fans watch the games on TV doesn't that put some money in UM pockets via TV revenues? Miami is listed several times
as one of the most watch football teams in ESPN history, not bad for a very small private university..
What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

I think the idea is that instead of blaming other people, we should each look in the mirror first. Sure, the players should be giving back to UM, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that we have ****-poor attendance in the stands, for example.

I don't know how long you been a fan but I worked in the OB in the 70's and we always had poor attendance,
that never stop all those great players from joining the U. What brought the players here was the coaches
not the fans. You think we are the only school with bad attendance? Attendance have been on a downward
trend for the last 10 years I think. Fans have proved many times with all sports, that winning cures everything..

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

...just my 2 cents worth!

Instead of getting on fans for not donating, why don't you get on the players who played in the NFL and became millionaires?
They got a free ride at UM and some of them got drafted because they wore the U on the side of their helmet..
Unless my memory is slipping only 1 player who played in the NFL is listed in the top 3 for donations to FB program,
the other two consist of a actor and a tomato guy. Warren Sapp lives like a king and brags about it on
his instagram did he donate any money?
In 2011 Jon Beason was the highest paid middle linebacker in NFL history with a $50M dollar contract did he contribute any funds?
When fans watch the games on TV doesn't that put some money in UM pockets via TV revenues? Miami is listed several times
as one of the most watch football teams in ESPN history, not bad for a very small private university..
What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

I think the idea is that instead of blaming other people, we should each look in the mirror first. Sure, the players should be giving back to UM, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that we have ****-poor attendance in the stands, for example.

I don't know how long you been a fan but I worked in the OB in the 70's and we always had poor attendance,
that never stop all those great players from joining the U. What brought the players here was the coaches
not the fans. You think we are the only school with bad attendance? Attendance have been on a downward
trend for the last 10 years I think. Fans have proved many times with all sports, that winning cures everything..

Uh, I know we've aleays had poor attendance...and that's one reason why we've never been able to make enough money to hire big name coaches and have top-notch facilities.

 

[Hurracanes]

First: anyone tweeting at or tearing down student athletes on any board with needless bull**** is a coward. Typical internet tough guy syndrome. Anyone who does that is wrong. These are kids.

With that said, the open season on what some(including myself) deem as a underperforming staff is a critical component in the long-term success of a storied program.

-Since 1980, we are one of a handful of the most storied programs in college football. 5 rings....5 rings...5.

-We live in the nation's foremost hotbed for recruiting talent. Yes, better than texas and socal.

-We are amongst a handful of programs that have steadily(the last few years withheld) turned student athletes into SUCCESSFUL pro players.

With those 3 points mentioned above, how can the following 3 be acceptable?:

-2004 9-2 team that got smoked by LSU by 37 in the peach bowl is the BEST CANE TEAM IN A DECADE.

-Kirby Freeman has led us to our only bowl win in the past DECADE. And we were a 6-6 team playing South Miami high School in said bowl game. Kirby Freeman....Kirby Freeman...Kirby Freeman.

-Brock Berlin has been the best QB since Dorsey.

10 years mired in mediocrity doesn't make you mad when you look at the previous 20? Really? I respect those of you who refuse to say anything negative about the program, and genuinely understand your reasoning.

But it is the "haters" and "whiners" in our fan and donor base that make anything less than winning a fireable offense. Coker and Shannon were fired because of poor performance AND the "negative" fan/donor VOICED their disappointments, remaining steadfast in upholding our program's SIGNIFICANT expectations. If we all stayed quiet and passed the peace pipe, Coker and Shannon would have lasted longer. Would anyone argue that our " negative" voices provide actual pressure that has tangible financial implications(vocal pressure/tickets/donations)?

This administration cares much more about academics and nurturing the future of student athletes. That is commendable, and we all want the kids to succeed. BUT in an administration that is less focused on upholding the traditions of our football program, the only way to get their attention is expressing our disappointment AND hurting ticket sales and donations as the only means they will respond too.

Golden is entering year 4, and there are some troubling signs we can all agree on. Is there something wrong with holding him to the expectations HE put forth and that our tradition demands? There is a saying that the ultimate form of patriotism is dissent. If that's the case, then those of us in the dissenting column are as faithful to the canes tradition as we can be. Go Canes.

Nothing wrong with holding the administration to high standards, but there is a way to do it. Speak your peace, without all the name calling, and leave it at that.

Holding the Staff AND administration to those standards. Like I said, going at kids is UNACCEPTABLE. But criticizing ADULT professionals getting paid millions to produce is not only okay, it is necessary. Hold everyone's feet to the fire, and reminds them we remember what the the 20 years prior to this last decade looked like. Do I expect 5 titles every 2 decades, absolutely not. But we should be a contender FAR MORE than we are not. The second set of facts I posted about our last 10 years are a sobering reminder.

Criticizing our coaches has gone too far. It is now a form of negative recruiting. It's no different than when FSU or UF tells our players that our staff, whom they committed to, are leaving. Again, our fan base needs to be held to higher standards as well.

Gator fans want Muschamp fired. For the last three years, FSU fans wanted Jimbo fired. Their recruiting has been just fine in spite of the heavy critism. Stop blaming the fans.

 

[decleated]

...just my 2 cents worth!

Instead of getting on fans for not donating, why don't you get on the players who played in the NFL and became millionaires?
They got a free ride at UM and some of them got drafted because they wore the U on the side of their helmet..
Unless my memory is slipping only 1 player who played in the NFL is listed in the top 3 for donations to FB program,
the other two consist of a actor and a tomato guy. Warren Sapp lives like a king and brags about it on
his instagram did he donate any money?
In 2011 Jon Beason was the highest paid middle linebacker in NFL history with a $50M dollar contract did he contribute any funds?
When fans watch the games on TV doesn't that put some money in UM pockets via TV revenues? Miami is listed several times
as one of the most watch football teams in ESPN history, not bad for a very small private university..
What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

I think the idea is that instead of blaming other people, we should each look in the mirror first. Sure, the players should be giving back to UM, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that we have ****-poor attendance in the stands, for example.

I don't know how long you been a fan but I worked in the OB in the 70's and we always had poor attendance,
that never stop all those great players from joining the U. What brought the players here was the coaches
not the fans. You think we are the only school with bad attendance? Attendance have been on a downward
trend for the last 10 years I think. Fans have proved many times with all sports, that winning cures everything..

Uh, I know we've aleays had poor attendance...and that's one reason why we've never been able to make enough money to hire big name coaches and have top-notch facilities.

You think UM didn't have the money lol?
The football program made that school millions and this year they are going to get a nice little check from the ACC..
The ACC will make some money from the postseason plus UM will make a few million from the Rustled Bowl..
Thanks to Clemson and FSU the ACC will make $47M this year compared to $18M from last year, that's second only to the SEC $52 Million.
What if I told you UM has the money and that is was being wasted on expensive parties, events and fund raisers?
What if I told you the people in charge of that money splurge it like Rick Ross at the King of Diamonds while dozens of UM employees
are being laid off because of lack of funds?
-----------End of Transmission-----------

 

[dookie blaylock]

...just my 2 cents worth!

Instead of getting on fans for not donating, why don't you get on the players who played in the NFL and became millionaires?
They got a free ride at UM and some of them got drafted because they wore the U on the side of their helmet..
Unless my memory is slipping only 1 player who played in the NFL is listed in the top 3 for donations to FB program,
the other two consist of a actor and a tomato guy. Warren Sapp lives like a king and brags about it on
his instagram did he donate any money?
In 2011 Jon Beason was the highest paid middle linebacker in NFL history with a $50M dollar contract did he contribute any funds?
When fans watch the games on TV doesn't that put some money in UM pockets via TV revenues? Miami is listed several times
as one of the most watch football teams in ESPN history, not bad for a very small private university..
What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

The most-watched game in ESPN history also occurred in 2006 as an average of 6,318,000 homes tuned into
the September 4, 2006 Labor Day game between the Florida State Seminoles and the Miami Hurricanes.

didn't sapp go bankrupt within the last few years?

 

[decleated]

...just my 2 cents worth!

Instead of getting on fans for not donating, why don't you get on the players who played in the NFL and became millionaires?
They got a free ride at UM and some of them got drafted because they wore the U on the side of their helmet..
Unless my memory is slipping only 1 player who played in the NFL is listed in the top 3 for donations to FB program,
the other two consist of a actor and a tomato guy. Warren Sapp lives like a king and brags about it on
his instagram did he donate any money?
In 2011 Jon Beason was the highest paid middle linebacker in NFL history with a $50M dollar contract did he contribute any funds?
When fans watch the games on TV doesn't that put some money in UM pockets via TV revenues? Miami is listed several times
as one of the most watch football teams in ESPN history, not bad for a very small private university..
What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

The most-watched game in ESPN history also occurred in 2006 as an average of 6,318,000 homes tuned into
the September 4, 2006 Labor Day game between the Florida State Seminoles and the Miami Hurricanes.

didn't sapp go bankrupt within the last few years?

Yeah but he was living it up and showing it off on his social media accounts..
He would upload daily pics of what his private chef would cook him and how many Jordan shoes his walk in closets had..
He isn't shy with how much money he made..

These are some pics from this year alone, doesn't look like he's broke..
http://instagram.com/warrensapp

Good Morning

71 year old! #DonJulio

Off to LA.

Paradise #GoodMorning

Tiki Bar here we come! #PostCardInn

Lunch

Cheers! #HappyFathersDay

lunch

Let's drink #Paradise

Titanic move y'all!!

We in this *****!!

 

[Miami82]

Good Lord we have some soft shouldered mother****ers in here. Really, blaming the fans and attendance for the product on the field. What will you blame next... Not the right beer served at the game. Truly pathetic.

 

[Gamineal]

There is so much wrong with this program......players, coaches, recruiting, Bull****, admin, fans, scheduling, parking prices, tailgate Bull****....its easy to hate this program right now real easy..... but I will not, I ***** I complain but come sept I will be there cheering, *****ing and sweating and yes *****ing...

 

[Gamineal]

Good Lord we have some soft shouldered mother****ers in here. Really, blaming the fans and attendance for the product on the field. What will you blame next... Not the right beer served at the game. Truly pathetic.

it is a little expensive

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Good Lord we have some soft shouldered mother****ers in here. Really, blaming the fans and attendance for the product on the field. What will you blame next... Not the right beer served at the game. Truly pathetic.

It's really staggering how so many people place the blame on everyone else except the men in charge of developing the kids.

 

[dookie blaylock]

...just my 2 cents worth!

Instead of getting on fans for not donating, why don't you get on the players who played in the NFL and became millionaires?
They got a free ride at UM and some of them got drafted because they wore the U on the side of their helmet..
Unless my memory is slipping only 1 player who played in the NFL is listed in the top 3 for donations to FB program,
the other two consist of a actor and a tomato guy. Warren Sapp lives like a king and brags about it on
his instagram did he donate any money?
In 2011 Jon Beason was the highest paid middle linebacker in NFL history with a $50M dollar contract did he contribute any funds?
When fans watch the games on TV doesn't that put some money in UM pockets via TV revenues? Miami is listed several times
as one of the most watch football teams in ESPN history, not bad for a very small private university..
What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

The most-watched game in ESPN history also occurred in 2006 as an average of 6,318,000 homes tuned into
the September 4, 2006 Labor Day game between the Florida State Seminoles and the Miami Hurricanes.

didn't sapp go bankrupt within the last few years?

Yeah but he was living it up and showing it off on his social media accounts..
He would upload daily pics of what his private chef would cook him and how many Jordan shoes his walk in closets had..
He isn't shy with how much money he made..

These are some pics from this year alone, doesn't look like he's broke..
http://instagram.com/warrensapp

Good Morning

71 year old! #DonJulio

Off to LA.

Paradise #GoodMorning

Tiki Bar here we come! #PostCardInn

Lunch

Cheers! #HappyFathersDay

lunch

Let's drink #Paradise

Titanic move y'all!!

We in this ****!!

wow. he recovered pretty nicely to say the least.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Good Lord we have some soft shouldered mother****ers in here. Really, blaming the fans and attendance for the product on the field. What will you blame next... Not the right beer served at the game. Truly pathetic.

Reading comprehension's not your strong suit, I guess.

No one's "blaming fans and attendance for the product on the field." What I'm saying is that if jokers are going to try and act all alpha on a message board and talk about "DEMANDING" this and that, they should be putting their money where their mouth is. We got a lot of dudes who talk tough and don't do **** when push comes to shove...and it sounds like you're probably one of them.

 

[Miami82]

Good Lord we have some soft shouldered mother****ers in here. Really, blaming the fans and attendance for the product on the field. What will you blame next... Not the right beer served at the game. Truly pathetic.

Reading comprehension's not your strong suit, I guess.

No one's "blaming fans and attendance for the product on the field." What I'm saying is that if jokers are going to try and act all alpha on a message board and talk about "DEMANDING" this and that, they should be putting their money where their mouth is. We got a lot of dudes who talk tough and don't do **** when push comes to shove...and it sounds like you're probably one of them.

I don't have to guess, you're reading comp impaired. Read the thread again. I do more than my part, I don't try and dictate what others can and can't give. The man making 2 mil a year is the exact one responsible for the product on the field.