Thanks Randy....recruits that never played/transferred

LOL take note of these Shannonettes.
If Golden gets the team to 9-10 wins these clowns will be the 1st to say he did it with Shannon players. Watch.
 
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I heard hankerson on a local radio show talking about his first year with the redskins and he said when in college he wasn't expected to finish plays. So he rode the pine most of his first year in the nfl cause his practice habits that he picked up under Shannon were terrible. Also the fact that he had to work with duper to develop.
The whole thing is sad for the players coaches, school and fans. There was so much underachievement in the last two coaching staffs. So many undeveloped players.
 
I heard hankerson on a local radio show talking about his first year with the redskins and he said when in college he wasn't expected to finish plays. So he rode the pine most of his first year in the nfl cause his practice habits that he picked up under Shannon were terrible. Also the fact that he had to work with duper to develop.
The whole thing is sad for the players coaches, school and fans. There was so much underachievement in the last two coaching staffs. So many undeveloped players.
the fact he didnt seem to start to reach his potential until he started to work with duper is very telling. a kid at any program that is supposed to be a top tier program should not have to find an outside source to be his personal coach in order to get over the mediocrity hump. thats a clear sign of failure in the area of development by his college staff. but under randy failure in development was much more common than it should have been. the comments from the packers DB coach about shields also said alot about that.
 
LOL take note of these Shannonettes.
If Golden gets the team to 9-10 wins these clowns will be the 1st to say he did it with Shannon players. Watch.

+10000 If Golden does well, it's cause Shammin left him "an amazing offense" or some other delusional ******* like this. If Golden fails, it's because this is "his team" not because Shammin left him garbage.

We all know Shammin apologists like TP800, lauderdaleballer, and the rest of that crew can't wait for Golden to fail. They would rather see our program in the gutter where their boy Randy put it, rather than have Golden succeed. Just so they can say "Randy didnt deserve to get fired". They are Randy fans, not CANE fans.
 
OK.Based on your premise I would have left the team when Butch had them in late 90's.Regardless of sanctions, we were "middle of the road". Read last 2 lines, not an RS guy.Guys like yourself dwell on coaches, fans like myself root for the team regardless of coach. USC is #1 and their coach ran the program in the ground.Nobody cares about Pete C because he's gone.You're blaming him for basically having a top 10 defense while he was an assistant.The bottom line is both Coker and Shannon blew it at the QB position. At any level of football you have to have a QB. Butch wouldn't have won with Kenny Kelly, he went to UNC and had defensive talent galore and couldn't win because he had no QB. RS stuck with a turnover-prone QB and didn't even recruit anyone who could beat him out, that's insane.I'll take a rain check on the bridge leap, at least until I know we're bowl eligible.

Pete Carroll ran USC into the ground? what?

Shannon was only unsuccessful because he couldn't get a QB?

I think he's saying Pete Carroll was a major reason why USC got hit hard with sanctions. I don't think that's really "ran into the ground" though. RS and his staff recruited JH, that their fault. Recruit an Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin, or maybe even a Geno Smith, etc.... You don't have to stick with Jacory. Better yet, if you Recruit multiple QBs who can compete for the spot, if one starts throwing picks, you have another suitable replacement right behind him.

At some point people need to stop blaming RS for Miami football problems. He's gone, and will probably never come back. Move on from the past, and get over it. This is Al Goldens second year, whatever happens good or bad falls on his shoulders, no one elses.

Jacory was fine with good coaching. I think he would have been a good college QB if he had solid coaching his 4 years here. What would have any of those QBs looked like under Patrick Nix (lol hire) and Mark Whipple?

People will stop talking about Shannon when his mark is finally off the program. Unfortunately this team is still paying for a lot of his mistake.

Ok. Who decides when Shannons mark is finally off the program? If Miami goes 4-8 this season, is that Shammins fault or Goldens fault? When you say this team is still paying for Shammins mistakes what do you exactly mean? Most of the players on the team where recruited by Golden. Guys he didn't want on the team are gone. Shannon has been gone going on almost two years, maybe more. This is Goldens team now, not Shannons. It seems as is is people want to use Shannon as a crutch. That was fine last year, however once again at what point does Golden assume all of the responsibility?

Shannon's mistakes are the reason we are having to rely on so many freshman to play quality minutes. Just for a second think about the secondary that Golden was left with. The roster was an absolute mess when Golden took over, we are still paying for it now and the reason many publications are predicting us to be .500 at best.

I agree that it's Goldens team but that doesn't mean he is done cleaning up the mess that was left behind. Shannon got the same leeway into his 3rd year here. Unfortunately it turns out he was as big of a problem as Coker.

And FWIW Golden is really only 1.5 recruiting classes in
 
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Unfortunately it's likely to take Golden 3-4 years IMO. Every situation is different but what Golden inherited from Shannon was a fair complement of experienced guys who had kind of established their patterns and took off after a year. Then he had his newbies. What he did not inherit is talented freshmen/sophomores--guys that would be sophomores/juniors now and could be the foundation of a team. Guys like Perryman and Dorsett and Stephen Morris are just few and far between. Golden will be forced to build from the ground up and I wouldn't expect much until the current freshmen are basically juniors. It'd be nice if he wins 9 games but I don't expect it because we don't have experience and freshmen aren't good. If he had inherited a team loaded with freshmen/sophomores who would now be mid-level players he might be somewhere. We don't have that.
 
LOL take note of these Shannonettes.
If Golden gets the team to 9-10 wins these clowns will be the 1st to say he did it with Shannon players. Watch.

+10000 If Golden does well, it's cause Shammin left him "an amazing offense" or some other delusional ******* like this. If Golden fails, it's because this is "his team" not because Shammin left him garbage.

We all know Shammin apologists like TP800, lauderdaleballer, and the rest of that crew can't wait for Golden to fail. They would rather see our program in the gutter where their boy Randy put it, rather than have Golden succeed. Just so they can say "Randy didnt deserve to get fired". They are Randy fans, not CANE fans.

Ignorant and horrible post. I'm not apologizing for Shannon. I'm saying, you have to move on from him at some point. If anything it sounds like you HATE everything about the guy and all of the players he brought in. Sounds pretty iffy to me, wonder what kind of person you are. Do you hate Mike James and Eduardo Clements too? What about Stephon Morris? Do you hate him too? I'll make sure to remember hawaiicane hates mike James, eduardo Clements, and stephon Morris because they are "shammin players". Right? If Al Golden succeeds he and his staff deserve all the credit, if he fails who does that fall on?
 
Unfortunately it's likely to take Golden 3-4 years IMO. Every situation is different but what Golden inherited from Shannon was a fair complement of experienced guys who had kind of established their patterns and took off after a year. Then he had his newbies. What he did not inherit is talented freshmen/sophomores--guys that would be sophomores/juniors now and could be the foundation of a team. Guys like Perryman and Dorsett and Stephen Morris are just few and far between. Golden will be forced to build from the ground up and I wouldn't expect much until the current freshmen are basically juniors. It'd be nice if he wins 9 games but I don't expect it because we don't have experience and freshmen aren't good. If he had inherited a team loaded with freshmen/sophomores who would now be mid-level players he might be somewhere. We don't have that.
solid post

every situation is different, just look at what butch left behind when larry took over. the reality is that dorsey and vilma could have coached that team on the field and could have still won a title.
 
should only count guys who transferred or never made it in while Shannon was the coach. Once a coach gets fired/leaves its a given that guys will transfer or be forced out. If he hadn't been fired Travis Williams, Devonta Davis, Storm and others probably never transfer/are encouraged to leave. And Jeremy Davis wanted to be here but Golden didn't take him and same for Delmar Taylor so shouldn't count against Shannon either.

2008, 2009, and even 2007 class - that's on Randy. not 2010 though.
 
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LOL take note of these Shannonettes.
If Golden gets the team to 9-10 wins these clowns will be the 1st to say he did it with Shannon players. Watch.

+10000 If Golden does well, it's cause Shammin left him "an amazing offense" or some other delusional ******* like this. If Golden fails, it's because this is "his team" not because Shammin left him garbage.

We all know Shammin apologists like TP800, lauderdaleballer, and the rest of that crew can't wait for Golden to fail. They would rather see our program in the gutter where their boy Randy put it, rather than have Golden succeed. Just so they can say "Randy didnt deserve to get fired". They are Randy fans, not CANE fans.

Ignorant and horrible post. I'm not apologizing for Shannon. I'm saying, you have to move on from him at some point. If anything it sounds like you HATE everything about the guy and all of the players he brought in. Sounds pretty iffy to me, wonder what kind of person you are. Do you hate Mike James and Eduardo Clements too? What about Stephon Morris? Do you hate him too? I'll make sure to remember hawaiicane hates mike James, eduardo Clements, and stephon Morris because they are "shammin players". Right? If Al Golden succeeds he and his staff deserve all the credit, if he fails who does that fall on?
this post is ridiculous because it doesnt look at the big picture.

obviously there are exceptions to every rule and not every player shannon brought in turned out to be a disaster, the same way that not every one of butchs players was great and the same way that not all of goldens players will be great. but when you look back at recruiting strategies, roster management and player development, butch had a great track record, and als record dating back to temple is also good, while cokers and shannons records sucked.

and it isnt about "hating" players as i dont think that anybody in our fan base legitimately hates any player, but seeing some players and their development for what they are is an entirely different issue. i think thats the real issue here. look at how many recruits a coach had, then look at how many transferred, never played, never developed, got better and became legit stars. randy had mant more guys fall into the first 3 categories than he did the last 2. where as butch had more guys in the last 3 categories and based on his past, i see als guys in the same boat
 
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Randy "Radio" Shannon was focking garbage. Incompetence, failure to communicate, and no plan will forever be his legacy. There isn't a single aspect of the football program that the bumbling failure made a positive impact on. Anyone claiming anything different is a moron, period, end of story.

That era of Miami football is to be forgotten as quickly as possible.
 
LOL take note of these Shannonettes.
If Golden gets the team to 9-10 wins these clowns will be the 1st to say he did it with Shannon players. Watch.

+10000 If Golden does well, it's cause Shammin left him "an amazing offense" or some other delusional ******* like this. If Golden fails, it's because this is "his team" not because Shammin left him garbage.

We all know Shammin apologists like TP800, lauderdaleballer, and the rest of that crew can't wait for Golden to fail. They would rather see our program in the gutter where their boy Randy put it, rather than have Golden succeed. Just so they can say "Randy didnt deserve to get fired". They are Randy fans, not CANE fans.

Ignorant and horrible post. I'm not apologizing for Shannon. I'm saying, you have to move on from him at some point. If anything it sounds like you HATE everything about the guy and all of the players he brought in. Sounds pretty iffy to me, wonder what kind of person you are. Do you hate Mike James and Eduardo Clements too? What about Stephon Morris? Do you hate him too? I'll make sure to remember hawaiicane hates mike James, eduardo Clements, and stephon Morris because they are "shammin players". Right? If Al Golden succeeds he and his staff deserve all the credit, if he fails who does that fall on?
this post is ridiculous because it doesnt look at the big picture.

obviously there are exceptions to every rule and not every player shannon brought in turned out to be a disaster, the same way that not every one of butchs players was great and the same way that not all of goldens players will be great. but when you look back at recruiting strategies, roster management and player development, butch had a great track record, and als record dating back to temple is also good, while cokers and shannons records sucked.

and it isnt about "hating" players as i dont think that anybody in our fan base legitimately hates any player, but seeing some players and their development for what they are is an entirely different issue. i think thats the real issue here. look at how many recruits a coach had, then look at how many transferred, never played, never developed, got better and became legit stars. randy had mant more guys fall into the first 3 categories than he did the last 2. where as butch had more guys in the last 3 categories and based on his past, i see als guys in the same boat

The post is not "ridiculous". The way hawaiicane posts about "shannons players" makes it seems as if he hates them. She got called out in one of the Seantrel Henderson threads for that exact reason. I don't think anyone but her "hates Shannon players". Like another poster said it's time to forget Randy Shannon and move on. He no longer coaches at Miami. That is my point.
 
LOL take note of these Shannonettes.
If Golden gets the team to 9-10 wins these clowns will be the 1st to say he did it with Shannon players. Watch.

+10000 If Golden does well, it's cause Shammin left him "an amazing offense" or some other delusional ******* like this. If Golden fails, it's because this is "his team" not because Shammin left him garbage.

We all know Shammin apologists like TP800, lauderdaleballer, and the rest of that crew can't wait for Golden to fail. They would rather see our program in the gutter where their boy Randy put it, rather than have Golden succeed. Just so they can say "Randy didnt deserve to get fired". They are Randy fans, not CANE fans.

Ignorant and horrible post. I'm not apologizing for Shannon. I'm saying, you have to move on from him at some point. If anything it sounds like you HATE everything about the guy and all of the players he brought in. Sounds pretty iffy to me, wonder what kind of person you are. Do you hate Mike James and Eduardo Clements too? What about Stephon Morris? Do you hate him too? I'll make sure to remember hawaiicane hates mike James, eduardo Clements, and stephon Morris because they are "shammin players". Right? If Al Golden succeeds he and his staff deserve all the credit, if he fails who does that fall on?
this post is ridiculous because it doesnt look at the big picture.

obviously there are exceptions to every rule and not every player shannon brought in turned out to be a disaster, the same way that not every one of butchs players was great and the same way that not all of goldens players will be great. but when you look back at recruiting strategies, roster management and player development, butch had a great track record, and als record dating back to temple is also good, while cokers and shannons records sucked.

and it isnt about "hating" players as i dont think that anybody in our fan base legitimately hates any player, but seeing some players and their development for what they are is an entirely different issue. i think thats the real issue here. look at how many recruits a coach had, then look at how many transferred, never played, never developed, got better and became legit stars. randy had mant more guys fall into the first 3 categories than he did the last 2. where as butch had more guys in the last 3 categories and based on his past, i see als guys in the same boat

The post is not "ridiculous". The way hawaiicane posts about "shannons players" makes it seems as if he hates them. She got called out in one of the Seantrel Henderson threads for that exact reason. I don't think anyone but her "hates Shannon players". Like another poster said it's time to forget Randy Shannon and move on. He no longer coaches at Miami. That is my point.
he never said anything about hating shannons players and while randy is gone, the problem is that through the attitude and play of guys that he recruited, his footprint on the program hasnt been completely filled in and paved over yet. the attitude and issues with work ethic that he let grow on his watch can still be seen, in that we still have 30 players who were a art of that culture. until those players are completely purged from the roster, or until they all show that they have changed and adopted. accepted and embraced what al is trying to do, randys stench will still be here. its been eliminated little by little and isnt nearly what it was a year ago, but there are still entirely too many of his players taking up roster spots right now, but by this time next year those who remain shouldnt be relevant as they will have either embraced the new culture or been kicked to the curb
 
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LOL take note of these Shannonettes.
If Golden gets the team to 9-10 wins these clowns will be the 1st to say he did it with Shannon players. Watch.

+10000 If Golden does well, it's cause Shammin left him "an amazing offense" or some other delusional ******* like this. If Golden fails, it's because this is "his team" not because Shammin left him garbage.

We all know Shammin apologists like TP800, lauderdaleballer, and the rest of that crew can't wait for Golden to fail. They would rather see our program in the gutter where their boy Randy put it, rather than have Golden succeed. Just so they can say "Randy didnt deserve to get fired". They are Randy fans, not CANE fans.

Ignorant and horrible post. I'm not apologizing for Shannon. I'm saying, you have to move on from him at some point. If anything it sounds like you HATE everything about the guy and all of the players he brought in. Sounds pretty iffy to me, wonder what kind of person you are. Do you hate Mike James and Eduardo Clements too? What about Stephon Morris? Do you hate him too? I'll make sure to remember hawaiicane hates mike James, eduardo Clements, and stephon Morris because they are "shammin players". Right? If Al Golden succeeds he and his staff deserve all the credit, if he fails who does that fall on?
this post is ridiculous because it doesnt look at the big picture.

obviously there are exceptions to every rule and not every player shannon brought in turned out to be a disaster, the same way that not every one of butchs players was great and the same way that not all of goldens players will be great. but when you look back at recruiting strategies, roster management and player development, butch had a great track record, and als record dating back to temple is also good, while cokers and shannons records sucked.

and it isnt about "hating" players as i dont think that anybody in our fan base legitimately hates any player, but seeing some players and their development for what they are is an entirely different issue. i think thats the real issue here. look at how many recruits a coach had, then look at how many transferred, never played, never developed, got better and became legit stars. randy had mant more guys fall into the first 3 categories than he did the last 2. where as butch had more guys in the last 3 categories and based on his past, i see als guys in the same boat

The post is not "ridiculous". The way hawaiicane posts about "shannons players" makes it seems as if he hates them. She got called out in one of the Seantrel Henderson threads for that exact reason. I don't think anyone but her "hates Shannon players". Like another poster said it's time to forget Randy Shannon and move on. He no longer coaches at Miami. That is my point.

Got called out? The Seantrel fanboys that called me out, like you, were the ones with shi* on your faces when Mr Drama went AWOL again. :ibisroflmao:

I was right about Mr Drama Seantrel and his fanboys. Just as i am RIGHT about Shannon.

ETA: You dont have to explain yourself. I already know your kind. You are a lot more subtle than MiamiNights and the rest of the obvious Shammin slurpers. But deep down, you are still one.
 
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I think he's saying Pete Carroll was a major reason why USC got hit hard with sanctions. I don't think that's really "ran into the ground" though. RS and his staff recruited JH, that their fault. Recruit an Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin, or maybe even a Geno Smith, etc.... You don't have to stick with Jacory. Better yet, if you Recruit multiple QBs who can compete for the spot, if one starts throwing picks, you have another suitable replacement right behind him.

At some point people need to stop blaming RS for Miami football problems. He's gone, and will probably never come back. Move on from the past, and get over it. This is Al Goldens second year, whatever happens good or bad falls on his shoulders, no one elses.


To deny that this year's squad is still affected by the Shannon era is the worst nonsense I have read on this board since... Ever.

Have you heard that we are still under investigation by the NCAA for sanctions that occured in great part under Shannon? Did you know that this makes it a lot easier for other teams to talk **** about us when we try recruiting kids, or is it too hard to understand? As long as the sanctions have not dropped, and for that matter, as long as we are playing on reduced scholarships and such, we'll still have to blame, at least in part, the Corch and his predecessor. Hope you don't even try to deny that one.

Did you even read the original post here? Did you notice that an alarming number of players your Corch recruited never played a down here? Did you notice that our roster this year is composed of 36 FRESMEN to 11 seniors? Yeah, I guess Shannon left us with great depth and talent to be working with. As long as we have 3 times as many freshmen than we have seniors on the team, we'll have to put some of the blame on your beloved Corch's shoulders.

Have you missed out on the news? Did you know that 6 players left early for the NFL only to be drafted much lower than if they had stayed for 1 more year in college. This is crazy speculation, I agree, but don't you think it's remotely possible that they weren't on board for a culture change that looked like it demanded to word hard an dedicate to football where it was all fun and games before? As long as it takes to change the entitlement mantality on the team and the culture of not having to work to get onto the field -granted this shouldn't take too long to change because we've finally hired a coach who just gets it -, we'll have to blame teh ol' ball corch.

These are only a few examples of why and how we are still feeling the aftermath of the Shannon era, and wether you like it or not, people here aren't stupid enough to think that just because he's gone now, that there could be no lingering effect of his self-destructive tenure here.
 
Lmao remember when dudes were celebrating getting Kevin Nelson & Devonta Davis?

How we supposedly stole them from Gator territory. DAMMIT MANE..

People do that all the time, every year. People get caught up in every 3 star guy that Coker/Randy/Golden get because "they dont recruit out of magazines, star rankings dont matter!" Sometimes your diamonds in the rough work, sometimes they dont. Just spare me the "We have nothing to worry about at LB, Gabe Terry is going to save the day!" threads because he is not the first nor last lightly recruited guy identified as having potential by a staff and christened by fans as savior. Have some perspective people.
 
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Unfortunately it's likely to take Golden 3-4 years IMO. Every situation is different but what Golden inherited from Shannon was a fair complement of experienced guys who had kind of established their patterns and took off after a year. Then he had his newbies. What he did not inherit is talented freshmen/sophomores--guys that would be sophomores/juniors now and could be the foundation of a team. Guys like Perryman and Dorsett and Stephen Morris are just few and far between. Golden will be forced to build from the ground up and I wouldn't expect much until the current freshmen are basically juniors. It'd be nice if he wins 9 games but I don't expect it because we don't have experience and freshmen aren't good. If he had inherited a team loaded with freshmen/sophomores who would now be mid-level players he might be somewhere. We don't have that.

This. Isn't the fact that Golden was left a team, virtually devoid of talent, and w/ zero depth all over the place obvious? This is a complete rebuild -- under the threat of sanctions -- and will take at least another year for things to start moving in the right direction. Only then will his young recruits start getting experience, and the woeful depth he inherited start to be replenished w/ some experience.
 
I wont say his name to ease the fear of me being called a fan.I don't know why the theme is you're a lover of the TCU LB Coach if you say anything remotely positive. Whoever went to the last game at the OB knows that we were rock bottom at that point. I was at that game and it was the worst.The 2010 team wasn't that bad.TCU LB Coach let the MNW former QB lead the nation in ints. I saw a lot of the 1997-99 seasons on probation in person and we weren't that bad. As I stated before, QB play destroys any team in football. Except for LSU, everyone else in the Top 10 poll has a legit starting QB. If LSU had one last year they would have won the NC.This was in the epic fail department for the TCU LB Coach.
 
Unfortunately it's likely to take Golden 3-4 years IMO. Every situation is different but what Golden inherited from Shannon was a fair complement of experienced guys who had kind of established their patterns and took off after a year. Then he had his newbies. What he did not inherit is talented freshmen/sophomores--guys that would be sophomores/juniors now and could be the foundation of a team. Guys like Perryman and Dorsett and Stephen Morris are just few and far between. Golden will be forced to build from the ground up and I wouldn't expect much until the current freshmen are basically juniors. It'd be nice if he wins 9 games but I don't expect it because we don't have experience and freshmen aren't good. If he had inherited a team loaded with freshmen/sophomores who would now be mid-level players he might be somewhere. We don't have that.
Agreed. In some aspects this is essentially year 1 of a complete rebuild. It's not going to happen overnight, folks.
 
Since 2008....



Class of 2008. Total commits 32

Arthur Brown
CJ Odom
Taylor Cook
Theron Collier
Zachary Kane
Brandon Marti
Joe Wylie
Cannon Smith


Class of 2009? Total commits 19

Prone Kent
Jamal Reid
Stephen Plein
Billy Sanders


Class of 2010. Total commits 28

Storm Johnson
Kevin Nelson
Tavadis Glenn
Latwan Anderson
Keion Payne
Jeremy Davis
Darion Hall
Devonta Davis
Jeffrey Brown
Jermaine Barton
Andre Tallman
Delmar Taylor
Travis Williams
Seantrell Henderson (Very Soon)




And I won't even bother talking about the 2011 class where he had ONE commit by December.




This is why this program is going to take another year or two to be competitive again.



That's bone-chilling.

Things would've gotten super-ugly if Corch had stayed on...
 
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