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OptimusCreampie said:
Wasn’t penciling the losses not a thing to do before Mario.

Again I’m not trying to defend Mario I’m just trying to see how kiffin would be the clear choice over Mario. He has alot of resources at ole miss and it depends what you want to quantify as successful. Seems he has a higher floor but it also seems he’s capped out .

His 4th season being most successful imo but couldn’t get over the hump of that Georgia super team (not that anyone could).

I did really want him here and I wouldn’t even be upset if he came here. This season he just put out to me doesn’t seem like he’s the answer here either. In a sec without saban or a good Georgia team I thought he really dropped the ball with the roster he has.

I don’t know what the answer would be after but I just don’t think it’s plug and play kiffin.
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Bro,

I’m just in it for the entertainment now. Been that way since after Shannon. If UM was going to keep going after cheap coaches, I wanted Mike Leach back in 2011 and again after Golden. Recruiting would be a disaster (probably in the 15-20 range), team would have explosive offenses and bad defenses but it would be fun to watch. Hey wait a minute..

But I also liked that Leach was a giant killer, I recall seeing some absurd stat that said something along the lines that Leach had 6x more wins against teams with higher ranked recruiting classes than the next coach on the list (Wittingham I think). We definitely experience heartbreak but I’d feel like he could have had a genius gameplan up his sleeve when facing better opponents. If we we were destined for failure anyways, it would be more interesting if it ended in a spectacular explosion than a whimper.

Call me crazy but going from 10 wins to 12-0 and getting screwed out of the playoffs , and then having a 2 win season the next year would be more interesting as college football fan than expecting to cap out at 10 wins maximum, at least with the former you don’t know what the f#ck you are going to get year to year so you can delude yourself into believing another 12-0 season was on its way.

I think Kiffin would be similar except better recruiting (10-14 range) and much better defenses. IMO that could be competitive for ACC championships.

It just sucks a lot that every UM fan knows deep down that Cristobal isn’t going to ever win a game due to superior coaching. It’s all based on talent acquisition. And if the talent isn’t there, he’s f#cked. And that isn’t entertaining.
 

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Duke winning on Hail Marys and dumb ****

Very nice job by Manny for sure, but they were phony.
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
Bro,

I’m just in it for the entertainment now. Been that way since after Shannon. If UM was going to keep going after cheap coaches, I wanted Mike Leach back in 2011 and again after Golden. Recruiting would be a disaster (probably in the 15-20 range), team would have explosive offenses and bad defenses but it would be fun to watch. Hey wait a minute..

But I also liked that Leach was a giant killer, I recall seeing some absurd stat that said something along the lines that Leach had 6x more wins against teams with higher ranked recruiting classes than the next coach on the list (Wittingham I think). We definitely experience heartbreak but I’d feel like he could have had a genius gameplan up his sleeve when facing better opponents. If we we were destined for failure anyways, it would be more interesting if it ended in a spectacular explosion than a whimper.

I think Kiffin would be similar except better recruiting (10-14 range) and much better defenses. IMO that could be competitive for ACC championships.

It just sucks a lot that every UM fan knows deep down that Cristobal isn’t going to ever win a game due to superior coaching. It’s all based on talent acquisition. And if the talent isn’t there, he’s f#cked. And that isn’t entertaining.
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I ******* would’ve love Mike leach for the entertainment factor. Rip the dream and the pirate. Even had Trump vouching for him back then lol (Shannon hire not golden one)

I said it already the writing is on the wall it’s just a really tough pill to swallow compared to other staffs.
 
JHallCanes said:
I don’t blame you

I said if Mario can’t win with this team then he can’t win here and I meant that. It was a pleasure watching Cam and the offense this year and I enjoyed every minute of that

But it is what it is at this point so I’ll just celebrate the games like UiF as much as I can
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Agree. Howevah, while cam was historically good, our defense was historically bad. I do think we can still win even fielding a top 20 offense and defense.
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
he got a more stacked roster through the portal , which is what precisely UM fans are banking on now as the HS evals outside of OL and RB look shaky.

And had Ole Miss got into the playoffs and faced a team like Notre Dame, a lot of people would think “Kiffin could come up with surprising gameplan and upset them” while UM fans were pretty much unanimous we be getting bounced out of the playoffs immediately.

Most fan bases outside of 3 or 4 teams traffic in hopium. Miss the playoffs this year and they say, “We’ll get em next year.” Missing the playoffs this year would suck a whole lot less if we felt good that we will be in the hunt again next year.

I haven’t been on Ole Miss fansites but I’m guessing they aren’t saying “we’re a 6-7 win team next year” and expecting to take a major step back. They expect to reload in the portal again and for Kiffin to make the most out of the talent he gets, and they aren’t automatically planning for 1-2 losses to inferior opponents.
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Bro that’s exactly what he did THIS year why would next year be any different? He literally lost 2 games to inferior opponents with a stacked roster im not understating your logic here ? What did he show this year that would make you or ole miss fans believe that next year he won’t lose to a couple inferior teams he’s not supposed to ??
 
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Alex_Dynamix said:
Bro that’s exactly what he did THIS year why would next year be any different? He literally lost 2 games to inferior opponents with a stacked roster im not understating your logic here ? What did he show this year that would make you or ole miss fans believe that next year he won’t lose to a couple inferior teams he’s not supposed to ??
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Because Kiffin lost to zero inferior opponents in 2023. Only losses were to Bama and UGA. That showed he is CAPABLE of having a season with no let down games. Does it mean that’s going to happen again next season? Of course not. But if Ole Miss got a schedule that was a cakewalk like ours and didn’t have Bama and UGA on it, a fan could reasonably say “Kiffin can have another season just like 2023 except without having to face Bama and UGA. We can run the table.”

But unfortunately you can’t say that with Cristobal. If we’d run the table but lost in the ACC championship game to SMU, Cristobal would have put the poor coaching narrative to rest (at least with me). But we had one especially egregious loss again- GT, and that cemented his reputation. You heard it after the GT loss from the talking heads on tv that mocked him, saying Cristobal teams look poorly coached. It was hyperbole and maybe anti-UM but that sticks with recruits. This was the season to shake that rep.

by way of comparison, lets look at Mark Richt. What was the knock on him? Fans would say he can win you a conference championship but he’ll never win a natty. But thing you NEVER heard was “you can expect at least one inexplicable loss every season.” Even in 2017, we didn’t get outcoached once. Not even the Pitt game. We lost that one because Pitt gambled Rosier couldn’t beat them and it paid off. I don’t recall ANYONE saying after the game , “Oh there’s Mark Richt getting out coached again like he always does.”
 
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AUcane said:
Agree. Howevah, while cam was historically good, our defense was historically bad. I do think we can still win even fielding a top 20 offense and defense.
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I actually think the team as a whole will be better next year. I think the win total line should be what Vegas had this year 9.5. I'm thinking 9.
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
Because Kiffin lost to zero inferior opponents in 2023. Only losses were to Bama and UGA. That showed he is CAPABLE of having a season with no let down games. Does it mean that’s going to happen again next season? Of course not. But if Ole Miss got a schedule that was a cakewalk like ours and didn’t have Bama and UGA on it, a fan could reasonably say “Kiffin can have another season just like 2023 except without having to face Bama and UGA. We can run the table.”

But unfortunately you can’t say that with Cristobal. If we’d run the table but lost in the ACC championship game to SMU, Cristobal would have put the poor coaching narrative to rest (at least with me). But we had one especially egregious loss again- GT, and that cemented his reputation. You heard it after the GT loss from the talking heads on tv that mocked him, saying Cristobal teams look poorly coached. It was hyperbole and maybe anti-UM but that sticks with recruits. This was the season to shake that rep.

by way of comparison, lets look at Mark Richt. What was the knock on him? Fans would say he can win you a conference championship but he’ll never win a natty. But thing you NEVER heard was “you can expect at least one inexplicable loss every season.” Even in 2017, we didn’t get outcoached once. Not even the Pitt game. We lost that one because Pitt gambled Rosier couldn’t beat them and it paid off. I don’t recall ANYONE saying after the game , “Oh there’s Mark Richt getting out coached again like he always does.”
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I’ll agree to disagree bro if you’re making a case for a better HC for this program than Cristobal your’e gonna have to do better then lane kiffin, I’m sorry dude hasn’t won big anywhere but we expect him to do it here it’s Hilarious really he’s a fine offensive coordinator but HC no thank u. Canes fans do all this whining about wanting to get back to glory days n winning nattys then turn around and clamor for Lane kiffin of all ppl 😂😂😂😂😂
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
I’ll agree to disagree bro if you’re making a case for a better HC for this program than Cristobal your’e gonna have to do better then lane kiffin, I’m sorry dude hasn’t won big anywhere but we expect him to do it here it’s Hilarious really he’s a fine offensive coordinator but HC no thank u. Canes fans do all this whining about wanting to get back to glory days n winning nattys then turn around and clamor for Lane kiffin of all ppl 😂😂😂😂😂
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So over kiffin…guy is getting weirder by the season
 
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Alex_Dynamix said:
Bro we couldn’t stop G tech who barely threw forward passes that game. You’re telling me there isn’t enough talent on our back 7 full of 4 star recruits to stop Georgia tech from running wild n giving up contain over and over again n losing their mind at any sign of motion. Half the time they’re not even lined up correctly and giving 5-10 yrds automatically b4 the play even starts. U can put some blame on the talent level fine but the absolute dog💩 coaching on D this season is the main culprit behind both losses.
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So why didn't UGA stop GT? I mean don't they have a loaded back 7?

I do agree we need a new Defensive Coord.
 
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canecrazy23 said:
UGA was a missed targeting call away from losing to GT.

What's their excuse? The talent level between UGA and GT is wayyyyyyyy bigger.
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Good morning

I guess we just don’t agree because Miami has historically done less with more talent. We constantly play down to the level of inferior teams like.MTSU
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
well the optics are this- almost all coaches will lose a game or two they shouldn’t somewhere in their career. Most reasonable fans are aware of this.

The problem is Cristobal has lost a game to an inferior opponent literally every season of his career, so fans are always waiting for it to spoil a season , and it always happens.

Kiffin has lost games he shouldn’t but he also has had seasons where his teams took care of business and only lost to much more talented squads. Like just last year. Only 2 losses were to Bama and UGA. Can’t complain about that. Zero losses to mediocre or bad opponents in a very tough conference.

So an Ole Miss fans can have faith that a Kiffin coached team will go into games against Cuse or GT level opponents and have a reasonable expectation that Ole Miss will win. Now it may not happen and Ole Miss loses those games, but generally it’s viewed as a surprising upset as Kiffin typically has his teams prepared and has a good game plan. Fans don’t go through their schedule and automatically write in an L next to Kentucky or other average SEC opponent.

On the flip side, when the UM schedule comes out- what does every single UM fan do? We always pencil in 1-2 losses to a mediocre team. ALWAYS. We know it is inevitable.

That’s what the difference is. The problem with Cristobal isn’t that we lost two games we shouldn’t, the problem is we KNEW it was going to happen and is always going to happen.
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Kiffin lost to LSU, Kentucky (visiting) and Florida. I know Ole Miss fans are not happy about that last one. Georgia needed a local prayer to beat Tech and lost to Kiffin. Alabama was literally mauled by OU. There is no linear algorithm to this sport. I do agree with you on the Canes fan part. I am trying my best to appreciate the second 10+ win season I've witnessed.
 
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canecrazy23 said:
So why didn't UGA stop GT? I mean don't they have a loaded back 7?

I do agree we need a new Defensive Coord.
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Haynes king looked to be much healthier against Georgia , he basically was unable to throw against us & they put the TF backup in every throwing situation n we still couldn’t stop em for gods sake. If King was healthy i guarantee u it would’ve been MUCH worse for our defense.
 
AUcane said:
Agree. Howevah, while cam was historically good, our defense was historically bad. I do think we can still win even fielding a top 20 offense and defense.
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Sure. And “win” is somewhat subjective

Having such utter dysfunction on one side of the ball in year 3 doesn’t give me a reason to think he will get this figured out especially when the offense is gonna come back down to earth bigtime
 
Dwinstitles said:
he better get everyone thats elite and there is very little in the portal that are elite
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He didn’t get a single elite player on defense last year. Very skeptical it finally happens now. Miami will get a good players but no game changers.
 
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