Talent improvement on Defense

[poncho0091]

Much better athletes in 2014.

McCord > Shayon

Kirby > Gaines

Figueroa > Cornelius

Dallas > Highsmith

Carter > Rodgers

Wyche > Renfrow

AQM > Gilbert

C. Thomas > Perry

D. Owens > Cain

Rok sad part is every single one of those guys is leaps and bounds better than the names before. Some of those guys like Perry belonged at Bethune Cookman or FIU

Thats why the question was posed why were these guys who were leaps and bounds better not starting? Either they weren't or the coaches are intentionally sabotaging their own team.

We already told you why but you are having trouble grasping it.

There's not trouble grasping it at all. You guys are contradicting yourselves. I'm told in one post that these guys were leaps and bounds better. Then I get told in another post that these guys would have been detrimental to the team as the starters. You can't be both better and more detrimental at the same time. I think you are having trouble grasping. If you are leaps and bounds better, you should be the starter. If you are more detrimental than what is already in place, then you are not leaps and bounds better. Better is a full package deal. You can't just say he's more athletic so he's better.

I'm told that the guys we had before belonged on teams like Bethune Cookman and can't even suit up for teams like Duke or WF, but then all the newer guys are somehow better than them and will somehow take us to the promised land, even though they can't pass those "scrubs" on the depth chart.

 

[Miami82]

Much better athletes in 2014.

McCord > Shayon

Kirby > Gaines

Figueroa > Cornelius

Dallas > Highsmith

Carter > Rodgers

Wyche > Renfrow

AQM > Gilbert

C. Thomas > Perry

D. Owens > Cain

Rok sad part is every single one of those guys is leaps and bounds better than the names before. Some of those guys like Perry belonged at Bethune Cookman or FIU

Thats why the question was posed why were these guys who were leaps and bounds better not starting? Either they weren't or the coaches are intentionally sabotaging their own team.

We already told you why but you are having trouble grasping it.

There's not trouble grasping it at all. You guys are contradicting yourselves. I'm told in one post that these guys were leaps and bounds better. Then I get told in another post that these guys would have been detrimental to the team as the starters. You can't be both better and more detrimental at the same time. I think you are having trouble grasping. If you are leaps and bounds better, you should be the starter. If you are more detrimental than what is already in place, then you are not leaps and bounds better. Better is a full package deal. You can't just say he's more athletic so he's better.

I'm told that the guys we had before belonged on teams like Bethune Cookman and can't even suit up for teams like Duke or WF, but then all the newer guys are somehow better than them and will somehow take us to the promised land, even though they can't pass those "scrubs" on the depth chart.

klanalmighty

 

[CaneAlmighty]

The team was Maryland and your numbers are off, again. This is the 2nd time I've showed your dumbass this game.

1st half time of possession was 15:18 for 301 yds. on 50 plays. for a 6 yd. per play avg

2nd half time of possession was 11:35 for 188 yds. on 31 plays for a 6 yd. per play avg

BennuBird is talkin Wake Forrest.
I responed with Wake Forrest stats.
ADD having **** Miami82 responds with MD stats.
His peanut gallery crew proceeds with likes.
Makes total sense Bros

Like I stated dumb****, I think he meant the Maryland game. You tried to mislead the fact with that game as well. It's your MO, twist the numbers to align to your lack of understanding.

No No No HE WAS TALKING WF.

As for stat TWISTING.. We gave up 3 POINTS in the second half to MD and half the yards given up in the first.
What the *** do *** more does your unrealistic *** want with that HODGE PODGE crew that took the field that day?
I mean Futch was replacing SPENCE. GAINES was making his first career start as a Freshman. Chickillo was playing DE at 230.
MIKE Williams was starting at CB. JoJo (RIP) was switched from CB to safety.
6 true freshmans were in the 2 deep that game.. It's ***** miracle they held them to just 3 points.
No adjustments would have made a difference NONE. Thats what you baboon asses need to understand.
Look at what happened when they moved McGEE up to press.. HE GETS ***** BEAT OVER THE TOP.
OOPS there goes that.. But the arm chair dorks think they have it all figured out..

LOL, I knew you wouldn't resist making an *** of yourself, again... I already showed you they had the same yard avg. The only difference between halves is they didn't have the ball the same amount of time. They did what they wanted to. NO ADJUSTMENTS.

Gotdam you're a special kind of dumb. Having the same avg yards each half does not prove adjustments werent made.
LULz at you for thinking it does. Then again you think Shannon is not to blame for the drop in Talent beginnig 2011.

 

[Miami82]

BennuBird is talkin Wake Forrest.
I responed with Wake Forrest stats.
ADD having **** Miami82 responds with MD stats.
His peanut gallery crew proceeds with likes.
Makes total sense Bros

Like I stated dumb****, I think he meant the Maryland game. You tried to mislead the fact with that game as well. It's your MO, twist the numbers to align to your lack of understanding.

No No No HE WAS TALKING WF.

As for stat TWISTING.. We gave up 3 POINTS in the second half to MD and half the yards given up in the first.
What the *** do *** more does your unrealistic *** want with that HODGE PODGE crew that took the field that day?
I mean Futch was replacing SPENCE. GAINES was making his first career start as a Freshman. Chickillo was playing DE at 230.
MIKE Williams was starting at CB. JoJo (RIP) was switched from CB to safety.
6 true freshmans were in the 2 deep that game.. It's ***** miracle they held them to just 3 points.
No adjustments would have made a difference NONE. Thats what you baboon asses need to understand.
Look at what happened when they moved McGEE up to press.. HE GETS ***** BEAT OVER THE TOP.
OOPS there goes that.. But the arm chair dorks think they have it all figured out..

LOL, I knew you wouldn't resist making an *** of yourself, again... I already showed you they had the same yard avg. The only difference between halves is they didn't have the ball the same amount of time. They did what they wanted to. NO ADJUSTMENTS.

Gotdam you're a special kind of dumb. Having the same avg yards each half does not prove adjustments werent made.
LULz at you for thinking it does. Then again you think Shannon is not to blame for the drop in Talent beginnig 2011.

LOL, come on klanalmighty why you all butt hurt bro? niner needs to start using some lube... The pain is starting to show.

Yds avg per half is just one data point. Drives in the 3rd quarter are another. They had 2 that controlled the clock. Care to try again?


Unlike you, I corrected myself regarding Shannon.

 

[niner]

Careful CaneAlmighty, that dude has an ****nal of homosexual pictures saved on his pc he likes to share. He is trying to send them to me so I had to block his pm's. Just a heads up.

 

[rok]

Much better athletes in 2014.

McCord > Shayon

Kirby > Gaines

Figueroa > Cornelius

Dallas > Highsmith

Carter > Rodgers

Wyche > Renfrow

AQM > Gilbert

C. Thomas > Perry

D. Owens > Cain

Rok sad part is every single one of those guys is leaps and bounds better than the names before. Some of those guys like Perry belonged at Bethune Cookman or FIU

Thats why the question was posed why were these guys who were leaps and bounds better not starting? Either they weren't or the coaches are intentionally sabotaging their own team.

We already told you why but you are having trouble grasping it.

There's not trouble grasping it at all. You guys are contradicting yourselves. I'm told in one post that these guys were leaps and bounds better. Then I get told in another post that these guys would have been detrimental to the team as the starters. You can't be both better and more detrimental at the same time. I think you are having trouble grasping. If you are leaps and bounds better, you should be the starter. If you are more detrimental than what is already in place, then you are not leaps and bounds better. Better is a full package deal. You can't just say he's more athletic so he's better.

I'm told that the guys we had before belonged on teams like Bethune Cookman and can't even suit up for teams like Duke or WF, but then all the newer guys are somehow better than them and will somehow take us to the promised land, even though they can't pass those "scrubs" on the depth chart.

I just don't know what we were supposed to expect from a bunch of first and second year players.

DE Shayon - Gilbert - AQM - Hoilett

DT Pierre - Robinson - Hamilton - King

DT Porter - Renfrow - Moore

DE Chickillo - Kamalu - Perry

LB Armbrister - Figueroa - McCord

LB Gaines - Kirby - Cain - Blue

LB Perryman - Cornelius - Grace

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch - Hope

CB Howard - Crawford - Elder - Lewis

SS Rodgers - Bush - Fentress

FS Jenkins - Highsmith - Carter


Golden was forced to play ****** seniors because that's what he was left with. Now we've got some upperclassmen who have played quite a bit. Not all of them are great but many of them have flashed some promise.

2011:

Denzel
Chick
Pierre
Armbrister
Dallas
Fentress
King


2012:

Gunter
Howard
Bush
Jenkins
A. Crawford
McCord
Kirby
Moore
Hamilton
Blue
Hoilett
Dortch


2013:

Kamalu
Burns
Figueroa
AQM
Elder
Grace
Carter
Lewis


2014:

Thomas
Moten
Wyche
Heurtelou
Jenkins
Harris
Jackson
Smith
Owens
Young
McCray
Mayes
Hester
Gayot

 

[Miami82]

Rok sad part is every single one of those guys is leaps and bounds better than the names before. Some of those guys like Perry belonged at Bethune Cookman or FIU

Thats why the question was posed why were these guys who were leaps and bounds better not starting? Either they weren't or the coaches are intentionally sabotaging their own team.

We already told you why but you are having trouble grasping it.

There's not trouble grasping it at all. You guys are contradicting yourselves. I'm told in one post that these guys were leaps and bounds better. Then I get told in another post that these guys would have been detrimental to the team as the starters. You can't be both better and more detrimental at the same time. I think you are having trouble grasping. If you are leaps and bounds better, you should be the starter. If you are more detrimental than what is already in place, then you are not leaps and bounds better. Better is a full package deal. You can't just say he's more athletic so he's better.

I'm told that the guys we had before belonged on teams like Bethune Cookman and can't even suit up for teams like Duke or WF, but then all the newer guys are somehow better than them and will somehow take us to the promised land, even though they can't pass those "scrubs" on the depth chart.

I just don't know what we were supposed to expect from a bunch of first and second year players.

DE Shayon - Gilbert - AQM - Hoilett

DT Pierre - Robinson - Hamilton - King

DT Porter - Renfrow - Moore

DE Chickillo - Kamalu - Perry

LB Armbrister - Figueroa - McCord

LB Gaines - Kirby - Cain - Blue

LB Perryman - Cornelius - Grace

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch - Hope

CB Howard - Crawford - Elder - Lewis

SS Rodgers - Bush - Fentress

FS Jenkins - Highsmith - Carter


Golden was forced to play ****** seniors because that's what he was left with. Now we've got some upperclassmen who have played quite a bit. Not all of them are great but many of them have flashed some promise.

2011:

Denzel
Chick
Pierre
Armbrister
Dallas
Fentress
King


2012:

Gunter
Howard
Bush
Jenkins
A. Crawford
McCord
Kirby
Moore
Hamilton
Blue
Hoilett
Dortch


2013:

Kamalu
Burns
Figueroa
AQM
Elder
Grace
Carter
Lewis


2014:

Thomas
Moten
Wyche
Heurtelou
Jenkins
Harris
Jackson
Smith
Owens
Young
McCray
Mayes
Hester
Gayot

As the old adage goes, make it simple stupid.

If the players were that more athletically gifted as many are claiming, then the only thing holding them back was the complex scheme, right?

So if you are in that predicament what would you do? What would you do to get your best players on the field?

I find it hilarious all over CFB you see frosh/soph stepping up on other teams and starting, yet for some **** reason the canes are not allowed to do that when they have better players that should replace the senior players. That's what some are stating.

 

[rok]

Here's how last year's depth chart would've looked like had Golden decided to sit all of the seniors.

Players in bold were all in their first or second year at Miami.


DE AQM - McCord - Hoilett

DT Pierre - Hamilton

DT Moore - King

DE Chickillo - Kamalu

LB Armbrister - Figueroa

LB Kirby - Blue

LB Perryman - Grace

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch - Hope

CB Howard - Crawford - Elder - Lewis

SS Bush - Fentress

FS Jenkins - Carter

 

[poncho0091]

Here's how last year's depth chart would've looked like had Golden decided to sit all of the seniors.

Players in bold were all in their first or second year at Miami.


DE AQM - McCord - Hoilett

DT Pierre - Hamilton

DT Moore - King

DE Chickillo - Kamalu

LB Armbrister - Figueroa

LB Kirby - Blue

LB Perryman - Grace

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch - Hope

CB Howard - Crawford - Elder - Lewis

SS Bush - Fentress

FS Jenkins - Carter

I'm going to take a step back and address it this way. This is the only factual response you can truly come up with and not be negative towards what you feel about the team. If you guys stated something like, "those younger guys were not good enough yet to overtake the scrub upperclassmen we had last year, but I Hope and believe they have gained enough experience to be better than what we had last year and my personal expectations are high," I could have lived with that.

Instead, this is what I saw. "Our depth chart this year is looking so much better, because all of these younger guys, who were not good enough yet to surpass the scrubs not fit to start for WF or Duke and belong at FIU or even Bethune Cookman, are now our starters." This was a statement of fact (summarized from the different posts) when in all reality, we don't know how much they have truly improved. How do we know that a bunch of those guys didn't hit their ceiling or are just not getting it? How do we know that they will look any better as starters under Golden's scheme? We can hope and believe, but we have yet to show signs that we are truly improving defensively yet.

Then when this question gets raised that if they were truly better players, why couldn't they surpass these scrubs, my response is lets meet and handle this like men. Seriously? At this point we are going in circles. The question I initially asked cannot be answered without 1. stating that they were not actually better players and that we hope they have grown this year to be better than those guys, or 2. The coaches are stupid and should have been playing those younger guys.

Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle of 1 and 2, a little bit of both. I do believe those guys will be better than what we had on the field (but this is opinion, not fact). Ultimately, my concern will be have they truly been developed between this year and last year (I mean significant growth in playing ability, not just got bigger), and will they be able to succeed under Golden's gameplan. Personally, I believe we should have been running more 4-3 and slide chick inside while letting Mccord or AQM start at one end spot. Let those guys get their bumps during the season. They will learn faster and can recover from some mistakes due to athleticism. Instead they will still be learning on the field this year when they should have been in a position to be that guy this year while learning on the field last year.

 

[rok]

Thats it. Lets do this. Meet me somewhere this weekend. Or you can get your opportunity tonight.

 

[Miami82]

Thats it. Lets do this. Meet me somewhere this weekend. Or you can get your opportunity tonight.

LOL, that's what you took from his response...

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Like I stated dumb****, I think he meant the Maryland game. You tried to mislead the fact with that game as well. It's your MO, twist the numbers to align to your lack of understanding.

No No No HE WAS TALKING WF.

As for stat TWISTING.. We gave up 3 POINTS in the second half to MD and half the yards given up in the first.
What the *** do *** more does your unrealistic *** want with that HODGE PODGE crew that took the field that day?
I mean Futch was replacing SPENCE. GAINES was making his first career start as a Freshman. Chickillo was playing DE at 230.
MIKE Williams was starting at CB. JoJo (RIP) was switched from CB to safety.
6 true freshmans were in the 2 deep that game.. It's ***** miracle they held them to just 3 points.
No adjustments would have made a difference NONE. Thats what you baboon asses need to understand.
Look at what happened when they moved McGEE up to press.. HE GETS ***** BEAT OVER THE TOP.
OOPS there goes that.. But the arm chair dorks think they have it all figured out..

LOL, I knew you wouldn't resist making an *** of yourself, again... I already showed you they had the same yard avg. The only difference between halves is they didn't have the ball the same amount of time. They did what they wanted to. NO ADJUSTMENTS.

Gotdam you're a special kind of dumb. Having the same avg yards each half does not prove adjustments werent made.
LULz at you for thinking it does. Then again you think Shannon is not to blame for the drop in Talent beginnig 2011.

LOL, come on klanalmighty why you all butt hurt bro? niner needs to start using some lube... The pain is starting to show.

Yds avg per half is just one data point. Drives in the 3rd quarter are another. They had 2 that controlled the clock. Care to try again?


Unlike you, I corrected myself regarding Shannon.

Again, that doesn't prove that adjustments weren't made. At this point I have to question if you even saw the game.
If you would have you would have seen the the adjustments made. Still didn't matter. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.
That's what that roster was that night defensively. Only one player has been drafted from that defense Mcgee in the 5th round who consequently got beat the time when D'onofrio brought him to play man. But you wouldn't know.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

I automatically neg klanalmighty and niner every thread I see them in

 

[Miami82]

No No No HE WAS TALKING WF.

As for stat TWISTING.. We gave up 3 POINTS in the second half to MD and half the yards given up in the first.
What the *** do *** more does your unrealistic *** want with that HODGE PODGE crew that took the field that day?
I mean Futch was replacing SPENCE. GAINES was making his first career start as a Freshman. Chickillo was playing DE at 230.
MIKE Williams was starting at CB. JoJo (RIP) was switched from CB to safety.
6 true freshmans were in the 2 deep that game.. It's ***** miracle they held them to just 3 points.
No adjustments would have made a difference NONE. Thats what you baboon asses need to understand.
Look at what happened when they moved McGEE up to press.. HE GETS ***** BEAT OVER THE TOP.
OOPS there goes that.. But the arm chair dorks think they have it all figured out..

LOL, I knew you wouldn't resist making an *** of yourself, again... I already showed you they had the same yard avg. The only difference between halves is they didn't have the ball the same amount of time. They did what they wanted to. NO ADJUSTMENTS.

Gotdam you're a special kind of dumb. Having the same avg yards each half does not prove adjustments werent made.
LULz at you for thinking it does. Then again you think Shannon is not to blame for the drop in Talent beginnig 2011.

LOL, come on klanalmighty why you all butt hurt bro? niner needs to start using some lube... The pain is starting to show.

Yds avg per half is just one data point. Drives in the 3rd quarter are another. They had 2 that controlled the clock. Care to try again?


Unlike you, I corrected myself regarding Shannon.

Again, that doesn't prove that adjustments weren't made. At this point I have to question if you even saw the game.
If you would have you would have seen the the adjustments made. Still didn't matter. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.
That's what that roster was that night defensively. Only one player has been drafted from that defense Mcgee in the 5th round who consequently got beat the time when D'onofrio brought him to play man. But you wouldn't know.

LOL, going down with the ship I see...

I was at the game tard. They didn't make any changes. Even the Maryland fans were incredulous that they could repeat the same play over and over and we tried nothing different to stop it. Especially coming out in the 3rd quarter.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I automatically neg klanalmighty and niner every thread I see them in

LOL I know right cause that's what f*a*g*g*o*t*s do.

 

[Jmhcane]

Looks like Doc Watson.

The great equalizer

He looks like he's ready to let Duke reel off 25 straight points in the pic

Actually, he looks like he will not even NOTICE Duke reel off 25 straight points.

 

[jw410]

Here's how last year's depth chart would've looked like had Golden decided to sit all of the seniors.

Players in bold were all in their first or second year at Miami.


DE AQM - McCord - Hoilett

DT Pierre - Hamilton

DT Moore - King

DE Chickillo - Kamalu

LB Armbrister - Figueroa

LB Kirby - Blue

LB Perryman - Grace

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch - Hope

CB Howard - Crawford - Elder - Lewis

SS Bush - Fentress

FS Jenkins - Carter

I'm going to take a step back and address it this way. This is the only factual response you can truly come up with and not be negative towards what you feel about the team. If you guys stated something like, "those younger guys were not good enough yet to overtake the scrub upperclassmen we had last year, but I Hope and believe they have gained enough experience to be better than what we had last year and my personal expectations are high," I could have lived with that.

Instead, this is what I saw. "Our depth chart this year is looking so much better, because all of these younger guys, who were not good enough yet to surpass the scrubs not fit to start for WF or Duke and belong at FIU or even Bethune Cookman, are now our starters." This was a statement of fact (summarized from the different posts) when in all reality, we don't know how much they have truly improved. How do we know that a bunch of those guys didn't hit their ceiling or are just not getting it? How do we know that they will look any better as starters under Golden's scheme? We can hope and believe, but we have yet to show signs that we are truly improving defensively yet.

Then when this question gets raised that if they were truly better players, why couldn't they surpass these scrubs, my response is lets meet and handle this like men. Seriously? At this point we are going in circles. The question I initially asked cannot be answered without 1. stating that they were not actually better players and that we hope they have grown this year to be better than those guys, or 2. The coaches are stupid and should have been playing those younger guys.

Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle of 1 and 2, a little bit of both. I do believe those guys will be better than what we had on the field (but this is opinion, not fact). Ultimately, my concern will be have they truly been developed between this year and last year (I mean significant growth in playing ability, not just got bigger), and will they be able to succeed under Golden's gameplan. Personally, I believe we should have been running more 4-3 and slide chick inside while letting Mccord or AQM start at one end spot. Let those guys get their bumps during the season. They will learn faster and can recover from some mistakes due to athleticism. Instead they will still be learning on the field this year when they should have been in a position to be that guy this year while learning on the field last year.

With all that bull**** you just said it still doesn't mean that some of these young guys don't take the next steps. I coach baseball at the Varsity level and for some guys it just clicks. That is what I gather from Rok. All you're trying to do is be a ***** instead of understanding what he's saying you're listening to respond.

This board is turning into scout.com by the minute. Instead of debate we have people pushing agendas.

 

[poncho0091]

Here's how last year's depth chart would've looked like had Golden decided to sit all of the seniors.

Players in bold were all in their first or second year at Miami.


DE AQM - McCord - Hoilett

DT Pierre - Hamilton

DT Moore - King

DE Chickillo - Kamalu

LB Armbrister - Figueroa

LB Kirby - Blue

LB Perryman - Grace

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch - Hope

CB Howard - Crawford - Elder - Lewis

SS Bush - Fentress

FS Jenkins - Carter

I'm going to take a step back and address it this way. This is the only factual response you can truly come up with and not be negative towards what you feel about the team. If you guys stated something like, "those younger guys were not good enough yet to overtake the scrub upperclassmen we had last year, but I Hope and believe they have gained enough experience to be better than what we had last year and my personal expectations are high," I could have lived with that.

Instead, this is what I saw. "Our depth chart this year is looking so much better, because all of these younger guys, who were not good enough yet to surpass the scrubs not fit to start for WF or Duke and belong at FIU or even Bethune Cookman, are now our starters." This was a statement of fact (summarized from the different posts) when in all reality, we don't know how much they have truly improved. How do we know that a bunch of those guys didn't hit their ceiling or are just not getting it? How do we know that they will look any better as starters under Golden's scheme? We can hope and believe, but we have yet to show signs that we are truly improving defensively yet.

Then when this question gets raised that if they were truly better players, why couldn't they surpass these scrubs, my response is lets meet and handle this like men. Seriously? At this point we are going in circles. The question I initially asked cannot be answered without 1. stating that they were not actually better players and that we hope they have grown this year to be better than those guys, or 2. The coaches are stupid and should have been playing those younger guys.

Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle of 1 and 2, a little bit of both. I do believe those guys will be better than what we had on the field (but this is opinion, not fact). Ultimately, my concern will be have they truly been developed between this year and last year (I mean significant growth in playing ability, not just got bigger), and will they be able to succeed under Golden's gameplan. Personally, I believe we should have been running more 4-3 and slide chick inside while letting Mccord or AQM start at one end spot. Let those guys get their bumps during the season. They will learn faster and can recover from some mistakes due to athleticism. Instead they will still be learning on the field this year when they should have been in a position to be that guy this year while learning on the field last year.

With all that bull**** you just said it still doesn't mean that some of these young guys don't take the next steps. I coach baseball at the Varsity level and for some guys it just clicks. That is what I gather from Rok. All you're trying to do is be a ***** instead of understanding what he's saying you're listening to respond.

This board is turning into scout.com by the minute. Instead of debate we have people pushing agendas.

OMFG you guys are dense or just ignore what is said. The agenda being pushed is defense of weaknesses shown currently by the coaching staff. You guys have every excuse in the book without actual facts. I never said anything about these guys cannot or will not take the next step and yes it does "just click" for some guys. My agenda is people pushing statements of facts that are not actually facts to support their statement, which is what I gathered from Roks statement that we will be good this year and all will be well, because "potentially" (without factual evidence), these guys who it apparently had not "just clicked" for yet all at once "just clicked" going into this season. The agenda is stating that we will be better without actual facts to support your stance on Golden. That is the point. It is an opinion. We can disagree on opinions and debate and have no problems, but don't tell everyone its a fact when it is not and then follow it up with "let's meet and handle this like men" when you don't like what I thought was a reasonable question asked in a non disrespectful manner.

 

[Miami82]

Here's how last year's depth chart would've looked like had Golden decided to sit all of the seniors.

Players in bold were all in their first or second year at Miami.


DE AQM - McCord - Hoilett

DT Pierre - Hamilton

DT Moore - King

DE Chickillo - Kamalu

LB Armbrister - Figueroa

LB Kirby - Blue

LB Perryman - Grace

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch - Hope

CB Howard - Crawford - Elder - Lewis

SS Bush - Fentress

FS Jenkins - Carter

I'm going to take a step back and address it this way. This is the only factual response you can truly come up with and not be negative towards what you feel about the team. If you guys stated something like, "those younger guys were not good enough yet to overtake the scrub upperclassmen we had last year, but I Hope and believe they have gained enough experience to be better than what we had last year and my personal expectations are high," I could have lived with that.

Instead, this is what I saw. "Our depth chart this year is looking so much better, because all of these younger guys, who were not good enough yet to surpass the scrubs not fit to start for WF or Duke and belong at FIU or even Bethune Cookman, are now our starters." This was a statement of fact (summarized from the different posts) when in all reality, we don't know how much they have truly improved. How do we know that a bunch of those guys didn't hit their ceiling or are just not getting it? How do we know that they will look any better as starters under Golden's scheme? We can hope and believe, but we have yet to show signs that we are truly improving defensively yet.

Then when this question gets raised that if they were truly better players, why couldn't they surpass these scrubs, my response is lets meet and handle this like men. Seriously? At this point we are going in circles. The question I initially asked cannot be answered without 1. stating that they were not actually better players and that we hope they have grown this year to be better than those guys, or 2. The coaches are stupid and should have been playing those younger guys.

Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle of 1 and 2, a little bit of both. I do believe those guys will be better than what we had on the field (but this is opinion, not fact). Ultimately, my concern will be have they truly been developed between this year and last year (I mean significant growth in playing ability, not just got bigger), and will they be able to succeed under Golden's gameplan. Personally, I believe we should have been running more 4-3 and slide chick inside while letting Mccord or AQM start at one end spot. Let those guys get their bumps during the season. They will learn faster and can recover from some mistakes due to athleticism. Instead they will still be learning on the field this year when they should have been in a position to be that guy this year while learning on the field last year.

With all that bull**** you just said it still doesn't mean that some of these young guys don't take the next steps. I coach baseball at the Varsity level and for some guys it just clicks. That is what I gather from Rok. All you're trying to do is be a ***** instead of understanding what he's saying you're listening to respond.

This board is turning into scout.com by the minute. Instead of debate we have people pushing agendas.

Slow down there kitten... Who stated they wouldn't take the next step? Who will take the next step, because you guys are speaking as if it is already fact, so you must know who they will be.

This is a free board, you can leave at anytime. No one is asking you to stay.

And please clarify what agenda has your panties in a twist.

 

[Miami82]

Here's how last year's depth chart would've looked like had Golden decided to sit all of the seniors.

Players in bold were all in their first or second year at Miami.


DE AQM - McCord - Hoilett

DT Pierre - Hamilton

DT Moore - King

DE Chickillo - Kamalu

LB Armbrister - Figueroa

LB Kirby - Blue

LB Perryman - Grace

CB Gunter - Burns - Dortch - Hope

CB Howard - Crawford - Elder - Lewis

SS Bush - Fentress

FS Jenkins - Carter

I'm going to take a step back and address it this way. This is the only factual response you can truly come up with and not be negative towards what you feel about the team. If you guys stated something like, "those younger guys were not good enough yet to overtake the scrub upperclassmen we had last year, but I Hope and believe they have gained enough experience to be better than what we had last year and my personal expectations are high," I could have lived with that.

Instead, this is what I saw. "Our depth chart this year is looking so much better, because all of these younger guys, who were not good enough yet to surpass the scrubs not fit to start for WF or Duke and belong at FIU or even Bethune Cookman, are now our starters." This was a statement of fact (summarized from the different posts) when in all reality, we don't know how much they have truly improved. How do we know that a bunch of those guys didn't hit their ceiling or are just not getting it? How do we know that they will look any better as starters under Golden's scheme? We can hope and believe, but we have yet to show signs that we are truly improving defensively yet.

Then when this question gets raised that if they were truly better players, why couldn't they surpass these scrubs, my response is lets meet and handle this like men. Seriously? At this point we are going in circles. The question I initially asked cannot be answered without 1. stating that they were not actually better players and that we hope they have grown this year to be better than those guys, or 2. The coaches are stupid and should have been playing those younger guys.

Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle of 1 and 2, a little bit of both. I do believe those guys will be better than what we had on the field (but this is opinion, not fact). Ultimately, my concern will be have they truly been developed between this year and last year (I mean significant growth in playing ability, not just got bigger), and will they be able to succeed under Golden's gameplan. Personally, I believe we should have been running more 4-3 and slide chick inside while letting Mccord or AQM start at one end spot. Let those guys get their bumps during the season. They will learn faster and can recover from some mistakes due to athleticism. Instead they will still be learning on the field this year when they should have been in a position to be that guy this year while learning on the field last year.

With all that bull**** you just said it still doesn't mean that some of these young guys don't take the next steps. I coach baseball at the Varsity level and for some guys it just clicks. That is what I gather from Rok. All you're trying to do is be a ***** instead of understanding what he's saying you're listening to respond.

This board is turning into scout.com by the minute. Instead of debate we have people pushing agendas.

OMFG you guys are dense or just ignore what is said. The agenda being pushed is defense of weaknesses shown currently by the coaching staff. You guys have every excuse in the book without actual facts. I never said anything about these guys cannot or will not take the next step and yes it does "just click" for some guys. My agenda is people pushing statements of facts that are not actually facts to support their statement, which is what I gathered from Roks statement that we will be good this year and all will be well, because "potentially" (without factual evidence), these guys who it apparently had not "just clicked" for yet all at once "just clicked" going into this season. The agenda is stating that we will be better without actual facts to support your stance on Golden. That is the point. It is an opinion. We can disagree on opinions and debate and have no problems, but don't tell everyone its a fact when it is not and then follow it up with "let's meet and handle this like men" when you don't like what I thought was a reasonable question asked in a non disrespectful manner.

I have never seen a bunch of posters that enjoy being wrong as much as these, hold on that was the last HC we had as well. These guys where still thinking Randy would turn it around and Coker before that.